What's going on with Caleb Downs?

[Risen Star]

Live and learn. Not every pick hits.

 

[Coogiguy03]

The way the war room was celebrating and the comments on this board when he was drafted would have had most thinking he’s the next Ed Reed. So far he looks small, a tick late, timid. I get he’s a rookie but what’s his best position? I think he was at least noticeable when he was in slot. The last two games he’s been invincible. I think the giants knew something we didn’t (they passed on him twice) ?

Wrong team!!! Another team he'd be the best on the field

 

[kskboys]

Again...for the millionth time...not MY premise. Read back.

I was simply responding to a post. If those weren't your thoughts, apologies.

 

[kskboys]

No. Talent can only take you so far when physically you are so much smaller than 90% of your opposition and you have to tackle them.

Downs at 6-0/205 is typical S size. The size thingie is silly.

 

[GMO415]

The way the war room was celebrating and the comments on this board when he was drafted would have had most thinking he’s the next Ed Reed. So far he looks small, a tick late, timid. I get he’s a rookie but what’s his best position? I think he was at least noticeable when he was in slot. The last two games he’s been invincible. I think the giants knew something we didn’t (they passed on him twice) ?

In reality most players don't shine until their third year, at the time they leave the team that drafted them. Here lies the problem of thinking you'll reach the SB through the draft, it's fricken impossible.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Downs at 6-0/205 is typical S size. The size thingie is silly.

Roy Lee Williams was 6'0"/222 lbs. He didn't last.

Darren Woodson was 6'2", 220 lbs. He lasted. His bigger size frame helped tremendously.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And Bucky is a 4.55 runner.

A live game isn't a fair comparison to a Combine track, but I'd say that Downs is also a 4.5 guy.

Like i said...huge fan of caleb. But 40+ yards...is not something he did at ohio state.

Maybe he gets outran...but not gonna close in and tackle.? For 40+ yards?

 

[kskboys]

Roy Lee Williams was 6'0"/222 lbs. He didn't last.

Darren Woodson was 6'2", 220 lbs. He lasted. His bigger size frame helped tremendously.

There's 2.

Hyde: 6-0/197
Eddie Jackson: 6-0/206
Budda Baker: 5-10/195
Mathieu: 5-9/190
Quandre Diggs: 5-9/197
Plus a host of others.

The heaviest FS in the list I'm looking at is 212. They list 15 of them.

SS: There is one SS at 220 in the top 16 list I'm looking at, next one is 215, next is 211.

I have no idea what you're thinking of, most S's are in the 6-0/200 range. Nature of the position.

 

[America's Cowboy]

There's 2.

Hyde: 6-0/197
Eddie Jackson: 6-0/206
Budda Baker: 5-10/195
Mathieu: 5-9/190
Quandre Diggs: 5-9/197
Plus a host of others.

The heaviest FS in the list I'm looking at is 212. They list 15 of them.

SS: There is one SS at 220 in the top 16 list I'm looking at, next one is 215, next is 211.

I have no idea what you're thinking of, most S's are in the 6-0/200 range. Nature of the position.

Frame size. Not just weight. A bigger frame is going to handle more tackles and last longer.

 

[Blackrain]

Just for reference Ed Reed Troy polamalu and Ronnie Lott were all around 6 ft 205 lb

So he's in the ballpark as far as size goes

 

[mfiggs18]

The problem is that we hope for rookies to come in and be all pro every season due to the fact we never acquire any veterans worth anything in March

 

[StarW]

The way the war room was celebrating and the comments on this board when he was drafted would have had most thinking he’s the next Ed Reed. So far he looks small, a tick late, timid. I get he’s a rookie but what’s his best position? I think he was at least noticeable when he was in slot. The last two games he’s been invincible. I think the giants knew something we didn’t (they passed on him twice) ?

I'm going to go with Christian Parker. Look at all of our CBs having historically the worse years of their careers. See the pattern? Go look at all of our secondary's PFF grades compared to Downs. we've got most of our guys in the 30s - 40s range

 

[SportsGuru80]

Your comment reflects the reality of what’s happened with Downs the injuries to Thompson and Locke, but don’t expect many to acknowledge it.

Jalen Thomson - IR
Malik Hooker - out wk 2-3
PJ Locke - out wk 3-5

That doesn’t even touch
Cobie Durant - out wk 3-5
Joey Porter - “out” wk 1-3, 5
Devin Moore - IR

Correct.

 

[Gremell12]

He’s been more than fine. But he is a safety. He dropped in the draft because of the positional value. Its almost the running back of the defense at times. And a bad defense he doesnt shine.

 

[Kwyn]

Where does the too small stuff come from?

Here is Downs, along with ten hall of fame safeties for comparison.

Player	Height	Weight	Notable Teams
Caleb Downs	6'0"	210 lbs	Cowboys
Cliff Harris	6'0"	188 lbs	Cowboys
Donnie Shell	5'11"	190 lbs	Steelers
LeRoy Butler	6'0"	197 lbs	Packers
Ronnie Lott	6'0"	203 lbs	49ers
Ed Reed	5'11"	205 lbs	Ravens
Troy Polamalu	5'10"	207 lbs	Steelers
Ken Houston	6'3"	197 lbs	Oilers
Brian Dawkins	6'0"	210 lbs	Eagles
Willie Wood	5'10"	190 lbs	Packers
Larry Wilson	6'0"	190 lbs	Cardinals

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[noshame]

I refuse to evaluate 95% of the players on this team until we get some real coaching..

 

[LouBrown]

Downs has been fine but as has been the case for the last 18 months or so, his potential impact in the NFL is being grossly overstated.

He didn't have ball production in college and he's not a special athlete, so he's not going to have ball production in the pros. It is what it is.

 

[texbumthelife]

He’s been great. But he’s a safety. Literally the back line of the defense. He has no work to do since the first two lines are pathetic. It was a stupid choice. One that only at the defense back. And that’s not an indictment of Downs. It’s just the fact of his position and Dallas’ issues.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Downs would be having more on an impact as the nickel but he can't play there because of injuries. I think he should be getting blitzed way more as well.