What's more important RG1 or WR2?

[dstew60105]

Can someone call up Jerry and tell him how stupid he and his organization are? Hoffman was good in his 7 starts and actually an upgrade of Martin.

IMO you can plug in a prime Zach Martin next year at RG and it doesn’t move the needle. If they draft a guard at 12 they’ve reached Al Davis status.

This team needs a desperately lacks weapons.

WR2 and it's not even close

 

[75boyz]

DT1, OT, RB. Run the ball and stop the run

It ain't rocket science.
And guess what?
Both the DT and RB pool are the strength of this draft.
If the Joneses **** up this opportunity AGAIN...
Ugh.

The life of a Boys fan.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Got you bro. I follow your what you think "they" will do rather than what you would choose.
I ust have a hard time with so many opinions here prioritizing WR2 production over what a combo pkg of an impactful 1 and 3 tech DT could do for this team both short and long term.
And I know Mazi was just picked and Odiggy just got paid.
I don't care.
The draft positions of strength this year are at DT and RB.
Stopping the run and running the ball are the 2 most desperate needs.

jmo

I'm with you all the way. Personally I'm not completely opposed to going WR just because I think this is a multi year situation to get to being contenders regardless of who they take at 12, but I would much rather invest heavily in the trenches (both sides) right now and go from there.

The defense could actually be really good if they can stop the run, but none of the starters at DE or DT are plus run defenders. Getting a starting caliber DT early in the draft gives you some formation flexibility up front, and even get some 3-4 looks to get some beef up front and let Micah/Fowler move around.

 

[dacopacabana]

Picking WR1B who would have been the sixth wr off the board last year. At 12?

Delusional.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Both would be equally stupid. Don't draft a WR, don't Draft an OL... The only way we can compete is to build a team like the Ravens of 2000. Elite D and Elite Run game. Outside of RB, every pick we can gather should be the best D player on the board. You could have Jerry Rice, Mike Irvin, Lynn Swan and Drew Pearson as your WR and it would not make a bit of difference with this QB. We have to build a team that makes the QB position irrelevent. Turn around and hand the ball off and throw 3 yard passes to move the chains. And a D that can't be scored on. Any other direction is just a waste of time with this QB.

 

[Acceptablename]

If your turning to a power run game RG1 brings more ypc and red zone variety though Tet is a red zone headache

 

[blueblood70]

Picking WR1B who would have been the sixth wr off the board last year. At 12?

Delusional.

You mean having a top three wide receiver ,one that we picked at 17 ,you mean that guy is a WR1 at 17,DEz at 24 hmmm , you're delusional, the dudes need to be good enough at 12 to be a starter.. we didn't ask them to be a 1800 yard guy like Lamb but he needs to be B when I say B he shouldn't be a close proximity to a 1...

yes, you don't think if Brown got hurt or chase got hurt that T Higgins or Smith could actually be starters short term? because that's what you need, that is why everyone's saying trade down it's better to get a wide receiver in the late teens early 20s,

if you can't depend on them to be a one B then you're literally losing at twelve before the card is read...

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Both would be equally stupid. Don't draft a WR, don't Draft an OL... The only way we can compete is to build a team like the Ravens of 2000. Elite D and Elite Run game. Outside of RB, every pick we can gather should be the best D player on the board. You could have Jerry Rice, Mike Irvin, Lynn Swan and Drew Pearson as your WR and it would not make a bit of difference with this QB. We have to build a team that makes the QB position irrelevent. Turn around and hand the ball off and throw 3 yard passes to move the chains. And a D that can't be scored on. Any other direction is just a waste of time with this QB.

Golden is so fast, he can be waaaayyyyyy downfield when Dak misses him.

 

[thunderpimp91]

hey pimp but does anyone realize what would happen if Lamb were to go out, if we lost let's say this rookie or Hoffman, we still have depth. Yes we can say that about a lot of positions on this team, but we're focusing on guard and WR

You're not wrong Coogi, but I also think the difference here is if you lose Lamb you go from a superstar player to a guy who is probably more of a fringe starter which is a massive difference. If you lose Hoffman you go from one fringe starter to another fringe starter in Bass or Jones.

I think your example says a lot more about the starters than it does depth at those positions. I look at it as lets go after ways to improve the starters instead of the injury depth....plus if you can run the ball more effectively you dont need to rely on Lamb to get 150+ targets again this season which should keep him healthier too.

No wrong answer either way IMO, but this is exactly why you wish the Cowboys would look to go after a 2nd wave FA every now and then. There were some decent WRs to bridge that gap this offseason that didn't require $100M contracts.

 

[blueblood70]

If your turning to a power run game RG1 brings more ypc and red zone variety though Tet is a red zone headache

Look I understand there's a potential there but it's not like he was breaking records in the red zone literally 84 touches only eight touchdowns last year held Matthew Golden only had 58 touches he had nine touchdowns.. Just because the guys tall or big doesn't make him a red zone threat, I'm not saying he's not but we're talking about potential here you are handing him that potential, even though I agree with you the receiver would be more important between a G..

If that's all it takes then you better get Ferguson in the tight ends back tuned up and in sync because they're the ones that are supposed to be winning in the red zone you're also supposed to be running better in the red zone you're also supposed to be able to have a guy like Mingo he's big where's he been can't you train him to be a red zone threat I sort of make sure people understand just because you want the bigger receiver doesn't make him in the NFL at the next level a red zone threat.. Right now it's all potential gotta look at all the receivers and what they can bring to this offense and what is the coaching staff thinking what is the front office and what is will mcclay thinking we don't know..

 

[LysleE]

I think the OL needs attention. LT is coming off injury; LG is solid; C is serviceable at best; RG is questionable, comparing to Martin is not practical as he was at end of his career and clearly not the same player last season; and RT remains in sub-par form.
The offense goes as the o-line goes; if the o-line can’t sustain blocks, open lanes or protect a less mobile QB, it doesn’t matter who is at RB, WR or TE.

 

[McKDaddy]

What they are thinking is that the roster is better than it is and this weekend is about adding the complementary skill players that’ll get them back to 12 wins.

Post of the day!!

It's like a buying a tuxedo. Buying the accessories when you haven't gotten the trousers, jacket or shoes is ridiculous.

 

[75boyz]

I'm with you all the way. Personally I'm not completely opposed to going WR just because I think this is a multi year situation to get to being contenders regardless of who they take at 12, but I would much rather invest heavily in the trenches (both sides) right now and go from there.

The defense could actually be really good if they can stop the run, but none of the starters at DE or DT are plus run defenders. Getting a starting caliber DT early in the draft gives you some formation flexibility up front, and even get some 3-4 looks to get some beef up front and let Micah/Fowler move around.

Yeah,
Im not gonna look up if the team won games without CD because of this year's sales job on physicality up front and "supposedly" new commitment to running the ball. I know, we heard all that before from McFraud too. I just see all the current interior oline choices and FA and the new highly reputed OL coach and am actually gonna allow some coaching up in this area and be more a run heavy based offense. That's the theory, or my wish.
But as far as defense goes and
whether starting in place of or spelling Mazi and Odiggy with fresh and more talented legs, those 2 would be properly delegated to the spot/ depth role players their talent truly is.
Tell me a whatif starting lineup front 4 of Parsons, Grant, Turner(or Robinson) and Fowler doesnt have the prerequisite skills to exploit even the most talented of o lines?
The opportunity is there this year.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[McKDaddy]

WR followed closely by CB and it is not even close.

Interior D that actually make a difference and it isn't even close.

 

[dstew60105]

I think the OL needs attention. LT is coming off injury; LG is solid; C is serviceable at best; RG is questionable, comparing to Martin is not practical as he was at end of his career and clearly not the same player last season; and RT remains in sub-par form.
The offense goes as the o-line goes; if the o-line can’t sustain blocks, open lanes or protect a less mobile QB, it doesn’t matter who is at RB, WR or TE.

Beebe is more than "serviceable".

 

[McKDaddy]

Golden is so fast, he can be waaaayyyyyy downfield when Dak misses him.

that's the thought I always have when people think a speedy WR will cure our ills.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Look I understand there's a potential there but it's not like he was breaking records in the red zone literally 84 touches only eight touchdowns last year held Matthew Golden only had 58 touches he had nine touchdowns.. Just because the guys tall or big doesn't make him a red zone threat, I'm not saying he's not but we're talking about potential here you are handing him that potential, even though I agree with you the receiver would be more important between a G..

If that's all it takes then you better get Ferguson in the tight ends back tuned up and in sync because they're the ones that are supposed to be winning in the red zone you're also supposed to be running better in the red zone you're also supposed to be able to have a guy like Mingo he's big where's he been can't you train him to be a red zone threat I sort of make sure people understand just because you want the bigger receiver doesn't make him in the NFL at the next level a red zone threat.. Right now it's all potential gotta look at all the receivers and what they can bring to this offense and what is the coaching staff thinking what is the front office and what is will mcclay thinking we don't know..

Apples to oranges with Tet and Golden though. Golden is getting the majority of this TDs on 20+ yard catches, not so much down in the actual redzone. Nothing wrong with that at all, but the other poster is absolutely right about Tet in the RZ.

If the Cowboys select Tet teams will absolutely have to make some significant Xs and Os decisions on how to defend the Cowboys. He will have to earn it first and show the league he can play, but teams will have to respect his size down there or else the Cowboys will force some jump balls if hes left 1v1. Double him and now Lamb is 1V1 on the other side. Double them both and the defense is at a disadvantage in the run game.

Tet isnt my top WR from this class, but when evaluating him I think you have to look at how he effects the schematics of your offense and not just the rankings. Golden is one of the best big play receivers from the class, Egbuka one of the best route runners from the class, and both may put up better stats, but neither of those guys are going to dictate what a defense can do or allow you to expand your playbook all that much.

 

[75boyz]

Both would be equally stupid. Don't draft a WR, don't Draft an OL... The only way we can compete is to build a team like the Ravens of 2000. Elite D and Elite Run game. Outside of RB, every pick we can gather should be the best D player on the board. You could have Jerry Rice, Mike Irvin, Lynn Swan and Drew Pearson as your WR and it would not make a bit of difference with this QB. We have to build a team that makes the QB position irrelevent. Turn around and hand the ball off and throw 3 yard passes to move the chains. And a D that can't be scored on. Any other direction is just a waste of time with this QB.

Whole lotta truth here that's for sure.

 

[Jarntt]

The OL needs a huge upgrade from what we saw last year. Which position is arguable. It's in some ways the weakest link theory and in other ways getting 3 really good players together. IMO I'd prefer an OL and get Tyler, Beebe and let's say Membou all lined up next to each other. Whether that is LT, LG and C or LG, C and RG, I'll leave up to the coaches or how the draft board falls. Improving the OL dramatically improves both the run game and the passing game. #2 WR is of course a huge need as well but this team needs to win in the trenches and that's how I'm hoping they approach this draft on both sides of the ball. It will be amazing how much better both our RBs and WRs (and QB) get if we can get a really good OL again.

 

[js66]

You mean having a top three wide receiver ,one that we picked at 17 ,you mean that guy is a WR1 at 17,DEz at 24 hmmm , you're delusional, the dudes need to be good enough at 12 to be a starter.. we didn't ask them to be a 1800 yard guy like Lamb but he needs to be B when I say B he shouldn't be a close proximity to a 1...

yes, you don't think if Brown got hurt or chase got hurt that T Higgins or Smith could actually be starters short term? because that's what you need, that is why everyone's saying trade down it's better to get a wide receiver in the late teens early 20s,

This argument works if there is a top end proven WR out there for the taking but there doesn’t appear to be one. There appears to be no Lamb other than possibly Hunter. There doesn’t even appear to be a Devonta Smith or Tee Higgins in this draft.

Devonta Smith had 1,800+ yards and 23 TD’s his last season in college. 1,200 and 14 TD’s the season before.

Tee Higgins is 6’4”, averaged 1,000 yards and 12.5 TD’s his last two years.

Who, outside of Hunter this year, has shown this and has the talent to be a top 15 pick?


Again, Devonta Smith had 23 TD’s his last year in college. Matthew Golden had 22…. His ENTIRE career.

Devonta Smith 1,856 yards his last season. Matthew Golden 1,975… his ENTIRE college career.

Please stop.