Whats the touch back count up to now !

[big dog cowboy]

None of the kickers in the top 10 kicked anywhere near 23 touchbacks in their rookie seasons. For most of them it took several years to build up to that, and some have never kicked that many and never will. Almost all of them started out kicking only a few touchbacks and gradually increased their number of touchbacks as they gained more experience. Thus it makes sense to think that Buehler will increase his numbers over the years as well.

In other words, there are no kickers like Buehler. He's an oddity. And that's why it's not stupid, just abnormal.

Buehler improved our average opponent starting position by about 6 yards per kickoff. Given 90 kickoffs per year, that's an additional 500-600 yards per season. You can't get that kind of production out of your 4th receiver or your 3rd running back, yet no one has a problem keeping them on the roster.

That is a great post.

 

[jubal]

better be leading the league when we have given up a roster spot just for them.

Plus the run-back person is in danger of getting himself hurt after the kick-off because he doesn't fall down getting out of the way like most kickers.
SIC'em Buehler !!!!!

 

[casmith07]

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I have a pretty corny sense of humor, so this made me laugh heartily.

 

[coblue]

Seriously, whats a worse use of a roster spot:

A Beuhler kick off thats not even returned 1/3 of the time

Cory Proctor

A fifth or sixth LB that never sees the field

3rd qb

etc etc

 

[eightysiX]

Seriously, whats a worse use of a roster spot:

A Beuhler kick off thats not even returned 1/3 of the time

Cory Proctor

A fifth or sixth LB that never sees the field

3rd qb

etc etc

i think people are more arguing about a active roster spot being used for him.
Although i believe it was a good move and as long as hes boomin that ball he deserves to keep a roster spot.

 

[bbgun]

When was his last touchback in an outdoor setting?

 

[Audiman]

When was his last touchback in an outdoor setting?

who ****ing cares? stats don't lie!

 

[SaltwaterServr]

As horrible as ST were for Dallas last year, to be considered a strength this year is a great accomplishment.

Now if only they can get Felix catching punts....

I wouldn't consider them a strength considering we just cut the kicker who had the most misses in the entire NFL. Missing that FG against Green Bay gave their fans something to really cheer about in a stadium that was waiting for their season to be over.

Then there was the run back against us vs. NY. Again, a huge screw up on special teams that killed us in the long run in that game.

Our own starting field position? Okay, but not great at all.

No, we went from horrible special teams overall with a good field goal kicker to having a bad punt return team, bad kick off return team, disgustingly bad field goal team, with a good punter and a good kick off guy.

Strength? Not hardly. Barely passable I'd say.

 

[cowboyed]

The whole point in drafting him was because they knew he had the potential to be amongst the league leaders in touchbacks. They knew he wasn't going to be in the middle of the pack and just be average on his kick offs. He is proving that they were right. Looks like a good move.

Also Nick Folks couldn't kick off that far but he still was worth keeping because of his accurate field goal kicking prowess over the past couple of years, excluding this year, obviously.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Also Nick Folks couldn't kick off that far but he still was worth keeping because of his accurate field goal kicking prowess over the past couple of years, excluding this year, obviously.

He could but had to kick it high and short so the coverage team could have a chance. Thankfully those days are over.

 

[cowboyed]

He could but had to kick it high and short so the coverage team could have a chance. Thankfully those days are over.

Good point, I remember the reports about him having to kick high and short. That stated most of us agree that Buehler has been a great addition.

 

[DallasEast]

When was his last touchback in an outdoor setting?

A: Kansas City

All quarterbacks will not throw 100% completions in any setting. Likewise, all running backs will run for positive yards on every down, all linebackers will not make every tackle, all lineman will not maintain their assigned blocks, all receivers will not catch every pass, etc., etc.

Q: What were opponents' average starting position following Buehler's thirteen kickoffs (minus the squib kick against Philadelphia and the onside kick against New York, of course) outdoors, since his last touchback in an outdoor setting?

 

[theogt]

A: Kansas City

All quarterbacks will not throw 100% completions in any setting. Likewise, all running backs will run for positive yards on every down, all linebackers will not make every tackle, all lineman will not maintain their assigned blocks, all receivers will not catch every pass, etc., etc.

Q: What were opponents' average starting position following Buehler's thirteen kickoffs (minus the squib kick against Philadelphia and the onside kick against New York, of course) outdoors, since his last touchback in an outdoor setting?

Do you have the answer, because I don't feel like looking it up.

 

[TD-33]

I wouldn't consider them a strength considering we just cut the kicker who had the most misses in the entire NFL. Missing that FG against Green Bay gave their fans something to really cheer about in a stadium that was waiting for their season to be over.

Then there was the run back against us vs. NY. Again, a huge screw up on special teams that killed us in the long run in that game.

Our own starting field position? Okay, but not great at all.

No, we went from horrible special teams overall with a good field goal kicker to having a bad punt return team, bad kick off return team, disgustingly bad field goal team, with a good punter and a good kick off guy.

Strength? Not hardly. Barely passable I'd say.

Well that's your opinion, I guess.
Folk was money up until this year, now he is awful. No argument there. Of course, he is also cut so I'd say Dallas is doing the best it can there considering they even put Romo back at holder.
Beuhler is fantastic. Felix is hardly "bad" lol he just had a 40+ yard return Saturday. He averaged 30 yards. Crayton has 2 punt returns for TD's this year and that's saying something.
Mcbriar is 3rd in the league for pinning opponents inside the 20 and overall not just a "good", but great punter.
There have been 2 or 3 big plays made against the kick return but overall they've been very aggressive and solid. Every team is vulnerable to guys like Cribbs or D. jackson and yes, Hixon.
Considering Dallas' best ST guy PWatkins has been out they have played very well. The only weakness is of course field goal kicker.

 

[theogt]

I wouldn't consider them a strength considering we just cut the kicker who had the most misses in the entire NFL. Missing that FG against Green Bay gave their fans something to really cheer about in a stadium that was waiting for their season to be over.

Then there was the run back against us vs. NY. Again, a huge screw up on special teams that killed us in the long run in that game.

Our own starting field position? Okay, but not great at all.

No, we went from horrible special teams overall with a good field goal kicker to having a bad punt return team, bad kick off return team, disgustingly bad field goal team, with a good punter and a good kick off guy.

Strength? Not hardly. Barely passable I'd say.

1. Our kickoff kicker is 2nd in the league, among kickers with at least 50 kickoffs.

2. Our punting team is 5th in the league by ProFootballFocus' rating system.

3. Our punt returner is 3rd in the league among punt returns with at least 20 returns.

Other than that, we had our field goal kicker have a strange fall from grace, and we've lost our two kickoff returners for most of the season due to one developing into one of the best receivers in the league and the other battling an injury for most of the season.

Given that three out of the five phases of Special Teams are among the best in the league, I'd say it's a "strength."

 

[EPL0c0]

I was one that questioned the need to carry 2 kickers. I still believe that I'd rather they have 1 kicker that can do it all (i'm sure everybody would) but this has worked out very well...on kickoffs.

I think the combination of Buehler and DeCamillis has been one of the best additions for Dallas.


Weird, despite having 19 TBs, Indy's kicker(s) isn't/aren't on that list.

 

[DallasEast]

Do you have the answer, because I don't feel like looking it up.

Whoops! Got caught up in my granddaughter experiencing her very first Christmas.

A: The 25-yard line.

 

[peplaw06]

1. Our kickoff kicker is 2nd in the league, among kickers with at least 50 kickoffs.

2. Our punting team is 5th in the league by ProFootballFocus' rating system.

3. Our punt returner is 3rd in the league among punt returns with at least 20 returns.

Other than that, we had our field goal kicker have a strange fall from grace, and we've lost our two kickoff returners for most of the season due to one developing into one of the best receivers in the league and the other battling an injury for most of the season.

Given that three out of the five phases of Special Teams are among the best in the league, I'd say it's a "strength."

This.

If you can't see a visible difference when our special teams are on the field, compared to Bruce Read's squads, you aren't paying attention.

 

[theogt]

Whoops! Got caught up in my granddaughter experiencing her very first Christmas.

A: The 25-yard line.

Nice. That's actually better than our overall average.