What's the Vision for the Cowboys in 2025?

[acr731]

P. 3 of this thread, first paragraph: “The vision for any Cowboys team under Jerry is always a mixture of football and marketing starting with collecting stars that you can sell and stay relevant and interesting for ratings. That’s not a healthy way to build a championship roster because it’s more like fantasy football than real football.”

Yep, I missed that because I was just quick scanning the responses... I should have known you would be the one to post it first

 

[plasticman]

That math does not add up.

Nice catch....

Marino was not 77-34 between 30 and 39 yards. He was 67-44. As stated before, he was 31-29 at 40 or more attempts.

This adds up to the 98-73 record for 30 or more attempts, a total of 171 games for Marino..

In my opinion, the true cutoff for pass attempts should be 32.

The Cowboys have averaged 65 offensive plays a game over the past three seasons combined. Therefore, "perfect" balance would be 32 attempts per game.

That is definitely Dak's sweet spot and, I suspect, most NFL quarterbacks.

Again, Dak is 47-11 with 32 or less attempts. He is 29-34 with 33 or more attempts.

 

[plasticman]

Looks like somebody else may be making decisions ,could Jerry be backing off and letting Will McClay run the show.Everything looks way better than normal except the Parsons contract dragging out ,that is a Jerry specialty.

My hope is that, after 30 years of on-the-job training, Stephen is actually starting to figure some things out. One of those things is convincing Jerry to give McClay and Schottenheimer more authority in football related decisions.

 

[plasticman]

Post #61 and not even a single post in this thread has come close to Jerry's true vision.

Come on, peeps, Jerry has said this many times over the years and it doesn't change from year to year - the goal (vision) is to be 'relevant' and 'interesting'.

Maintain those standards and the team stays in the news, and Jerry is happy. That's all he desires.

You forgot his primary vision:

Claim as much credit as possible in the event that the Cowboys actually win a Super Bowl, thus demanding recognition as a true "football expert".

This is what he desires more than anything else. He said himself, there is nothing he wouldn't pay for a championship.

 

[acr731]

My hope is that, after 30 years of on-the-job training, Stephen is actually starting to figure some things out. One of those things is convincing Jerry to give McClay and Schottenheimer more authority in football related decisions.

I call it the honeymoon phase. Jerry will be back to himself after the season ends

 

[plasticman]

I call it the honeymoon phase. Jerry will be back to himself after the season ends

LOL, naw, he'll be back as soon as they start looking like a contender. He'll just squeeze himself between Schotty and the microphone to explain how he was able to accomplish this turnaround.

 

[kskboys]

Did Andrew and Dan win a SB?

Ah, now you're narrowing the parameters. Lost that one, hey?

 

[kskboys]

Marino was 98-73 when throwing 30 or more passes.

That's nice and everything, and proves my point. You can win and throw that many passes.

Should we? Oh hades no. To win throwing that much, you have to have an all time great QB.

 

[Chasing6]

That's nice and everything, and proves my point. You can win and throw that many passes.

Should we? Oh hades no. To win throwing that much, you have to have an all time great QB.

Marino did not win anything.

 

[acr731]

Marino did not win anything.

Dan Marino played in 3 AFCCG's and 1 super bowl. How has Dak done in the post season?

Clearly your intent is to prop Dak up by trashing an all time great. Dak compares more to Kirk Cousins - that's where your focus should be.

 

[kskboys]

Marino did not win anything.

Marino did not win anything.

Which was not a facet of this convo.

 

[Stash]

I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.

I think both sides of the ball will have a renewed focus on physicality and fundamentals.

This staff wants to be better at running the ball and stopping the run.

It’s been a clear, ongoing issue.

Having two #1 receivers will force opposing defenses to keep more men off in coverage and help the running game in the process.

And I think Eberflus’ defense will take less risks for big plays but be more sound versus the run.

 

[blueblood70]

I think both sides of the ball will have a renewed focus on physicality and fundamentals.

This staff wants to be better at running the ball and stopping the run.

It’s been a clear, ongoing issue.

Having two #1 receivers will force opposing defenses to keep more men off in coverage and help the running game in the process.

And I think Eberflus’ defense will take less risks for big plays but be more sound versus the run.

Yeah here's the thing I'm pretty sure that's a philosophy of all 32 teams and I believe they use camp and they use preseason to remind players how important this is and they work on it II don't think no matter how good you I don't think Philadelphia is coming into this year with a big head and going you know what we're not to work on fundamentals anymore..

I mean it's pretty much what you're supposed to be doing at all these mini camps and then training camps and then in pre-season, you're supposed to be establishing and reestablishing your core values and that would be football 101... to be physical ,execute, and For sure stop the run and run the football everything comes off of that.​

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The problem here is it doesn't take more than a couple people on each side of the ball to be not executing properly not doing their jobs to ruin the whole entire game plan...​

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there's a lot of moving pieces in football they're all depending on each other supposed to be uniformly working together but when it starts to have a crack teams see it teams will bang on the crack until it break breaks open they're not going to go against your strengths they're going to find your weaknesses.​

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So let's just hope they do better I mean you did see that Mike Mccarthy it took desperation it took them pretty much being pushed out of having a winning season for him to start using the bottom of the playbook start running Rico more using a different lineup on the offensive line I mean it shouldn't take you 8 or 9 games to figure that out that's why he's not here...​

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This team did look better down the stretch so let's just hope they can start the season that way and not just do it when it all goes bad..​

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Mike Mccarty seemed to be very reactionary and I didn't like him as an OC but he seemed to not do anything outside the box and creatively and not do what he's promised until it just all hit the fan. His first year's oc they didn't start looking good until the mid year second year's oc had looked bad until it was pretty much over and then he throws out all convention and starts doing things he could have done from the beginning of the year you should be creating offense you should be creative and you should be doing things to dictate the game to the defense and he didn't do that until it was too late..​

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So we just have to pray this staff does a better job they should be doing all this experimenting and practice and preseason and all these camps that's what you're supposed to be doing you should have a plan going into the season and you should have a backup plan going into the season and you shouldn't be using the season as an experiment ally some storms will form on that like they did yesterday...​

 

[jazzcat22]

That's the reason I'm asking though. What is their vision for 2025? And can they achieve it? If so, how?

I think to improve across the board. Get better wherever they could. They addressed many areas, but know they cannot do it all in one year. They had the opportunity to select an OL and did, so maybe next year they focus on DT, if it presents itself to be the best option in the draft. Or maybe for once they get one in FA other than what they did this year.

The vision for 2025, just improve wherever they could, when the opportunities were there at any position without focusing on one particular area.

Well you have to ask. Does the entire organization have the same vision?

Yes, why else would they make the moves that they have. And it is still a work in progress.

 

[Stash]

I think we can expect many similarities to his father:

Marty Schottenheimer's coaching philosophy, often referred to as "Martyball," emphasized a strong running game, a conservative passing game, and an aggressive defense. His defenses were known for being tough, physical, and skilled at taking the ball away from opponents.

Physical and Aggressive:
Schottenheimer's defenses were known for their physicality and willingness to make tackles, often at the expense of their own safety.

Toughness and Discipline:
Schottenheimer instilled a sense of toughness and discipline in his players, expecting them to be prepared for a physical game.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Their (Jerry's) vision is to do just enough to keep you guys coming back. Jerry was worried you guys would lose interest, but he knows you guys want to stay with him no matter what he does.

 

[Spottswoode]

One of the inherent problems with your owner also being the GM and hiring his children as his key executives is the lack of accountability at top of the organization where all visionary decisions are made.

The only people whose jobs are on the line for a failed vision are the mid-level people like the players and coaches. Because there is no accountability at the top, there really is no accountability anywhere in this organization. With no one at the top being held accountable for failure, the whole “family” leadership team is essentially playing fantasy football. It’s what we’ve seen for three decades.

I think this sums it up perfectly. The first thing I thought when I read the post title was whose vision. Accountability drives urgency and there is no accountability at the top.

IMO, there are 2 visions…private and public. Jerry’s private vision is to be relevant while feeding his ego and that influences direction and resources. The public vision can be whatever they say it is but it will always be constrained by the private.

Most agree we had a better and more active offseason (as do I). But the pessimist in me believes it has more to do with not being relevant last year v. some big philosophical change or epiphany.

 

[leeblair]

I think Jerry envisions creating enough hope to win back some fans.
He's selling hype like cotton candy right now, and Dak is pitching in.
Because they both know that Dak's latest contract has driven off fans like never before.

 

[Chasing6]

I think to improve across the board. Get better wherever they could. They addressed many areas, but know they cannot do it all in one year. They had the opportunity to select an OL and did, so maybe next year they focus on DT, if it presents itself to be the best option in the draft. Or maybe for once they get one in FA other than what they did this year.

The vision for 2025, just improve wherever they could, when the opportunities were there at any position without focusing on one particular area.

Yes, why else would they make the moves that they have. And it is still a work in progress.

Well they stated multiple times, they wanted to get more physical and run the ball. FA really had nothing to do with either.

 

[Chasing6]

Which was not a facet of this convo.

I know it, just facet of every Dak conversation right?