CFZ When “the good old days” aren’t so good

Bobhaze

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Agree 100%.
I grew up without AC, and for quite some time worked in very hot environments. Then I switched gears to 15 years or so of working in the comfort of AC. It must definitely lowered my tolerance to heat.

The reverse is also true. Growing up with thermostat set at 65 all winter, no problem. Now, after heating predominantly with a woodstove for the last 20 years, 65 degrees is downright chilly.

It's been my experience that if you train in more extreme conditions than you will likely encounter, the conditions you encounter will be much easier to deal with.
That worked for you and many others “back in the day”. The problem with that though is it is not universally true for everyone and has bad safety implications that are not worth risking for young athletes. Even in the old days, some athletes died because of these old school practices but were just not as widely known as today.

In fact, between 1931 and 2012, statistics from the National Center for Sports Injury Research shows there were at least 138 deaths attributed to high school , college and professional athletes due to heat over-exertion.

Here’s a link: https://www.researchgate.net/public...erican_Football_An_Interdisciplinary_Approach
 

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The good old days in football did develop some tough guys. But it also caused some bad head injuries that shortened some good men’s lives. Thankfully, we’ve learned a few things since the good old days.

Some whippersnappers here think the good ole days were back in the 90's... LOL..... i pity those kids, never seen a championship team. All they have in their memory banks is Jerry and son's failed efforts to resurrect them. And how not to construct a FO or hire a HC.
 

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Hey I’m 64 and remember the “good old days”. NFL Football and football in general was a lot more physical “back in the day”. Sometimes “the good old days” aren’t so good.

With all we’ve learned about brain injuries, the importance of hydration during practices and the importance of getting better rest in maximizing performance, the “good old days” are not so good when it comes to football.

In my brief days as a football player as a schoolboy, we practiced two a days in extreme heat with no water, were issued salt tablets to “replace the salt you sweated out”, and had full on padded practices almost all week before games. Coaches called players wimps (or worse) for needing water.

We know now from research that is a very foolish and dangerous way to prepare football players.

This time of year, we see lots of fans calling for the Cowboys to play our starters in some pre-season game action to “get the reps” and to “work on timing”. I disagree. In fact, I see that as some of the “old school” thinking we need to get away from. Modern players don’t need the same preparation rituals we used in the 60s through the early 2000s.

The calls for Dak and other key performers to play this ps is not smart IMO. Last year Dak did not take a single snap in a ps game and came out on opening night and threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs. We should have won the game if we had had a kicker who could make XPs.

I say let’s remember the “good ol days” fondly. But also move on into the modern era.
LOL. I remember a game I was in at Rutgers. I got pancaked by a 300 lb lineman. I was walked off the field. Defensive coach sat he down and put his fingers up in front of me and asked how many I saw. I said three. He said “close enough” and gave me back my helmet. I was in the next series. That was the early 70’s.
 

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Player safety is the last thing I think about when recalling good old days. Not from being selfish...of course I want this brutal game as safe as possible.

The first thing? Being happy with the meager game day televised game selections...and no internet forum know-it-all bickering. You could just be a fan. Now....you CAN still do that...of course! But our thirst for information has increased dramatically...and you CAN get some of that here. Sometimes.
 

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Some whippersnappers here think the good ole days were back in the 90's... LOL..... i pity those kids, never seen a championship team. All they have in their memory banks is Jerry and son's failed efforts to resurrect them. And how not to construct a FO or hire a HC.
4-5 TV channels with one game on.

I was pretty lucky....I lived in a central location encircled by Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Chicago....with two cities serving programming, Toledo and Ft Wayne. We got some variability to enjoy different football.
 

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I disagree on all points. Players get paid to play, and fans pay to see them. Preseason fans pay premium money and should see the premium thing.
 

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Football was much more fun to watch back in the 70’s. It probably wasn’t more fun for the players from a safety standpoint though. It’s gotten too watered down, especially when it comes to the QB. If you so much as graze the QB’s helmet with a finger, it’s 15 yards. That’s ridiculous.

I know they want to take subjectivity out of the rules but "automatic" penalites for a graze as if it were a hit are completely out of whack.

I'm ok with a lot of the rule changes to protect players .... but we need to find a balance in places they have gone overboard.
 

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I still lean toward your starters needing to get some live action prior to regular season. I just don't think anyone is ready for a full game when they haven't had any live action.

With the 17th game, I guess you have a little more wiggle room if you let a game or two get away just because "practice" hadn't really prepared you.
 

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Agree 100%.
I grew up without AC, and for quite some time worked in very hot environments. Then I switched gears to 15 years or so of working in the comfort of AC. It must definitely lowered my tolerance to heat.

The reverse is also true. Growing up with thermostat set at 65 all winter, no problem. Now, after heating predominantly with a woodstove for the last 20 years, 65 degrees is downright chilly.

It's been my experience that if you train in more extreme conditions than you will likely encounter, the conditions you encounter will be much easier to deal with.

That's why I bring up that shin conditioning stuff. I think the less hitting they're doing in practice causes more injuries in games. It's mostly a hunch because I haven't looked at numbers or anything. I think guys learning how to absorb hits is as important learning how to give them.
 

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I’m just glad I was around for the “good old days.” I got to experience the Cowboys winning Super Bowls and filling up my car for $.62/gal. Phones were only used for talking and if you needed to look up some information you went to a library. Remember those?
 

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That worked for you and many others “back in the day”. The problem with that though is it is not universally true for everyone and has bad safety implications that are not worth risking for young athletes. Even in the old days, some athletes died because of these old school practices but were just not as widely known as today.

In fact, between 1931 and 2012, statistics from the National Center for Sports Injury Research shows there were at least 138 deaths attributed to high school , college and professional athletes due to heat over-exertion.

Here’s a link: https://www.researchgate.net/public...erican_Football_An_Interdisciplinary_Approach

My theory is gaining traction. Prior to 1955, no heat related deaths in football per that study. Looking at the history of AC, "The 1950s: Home Air Conditioners Gain In Popularity."

Dun, dun, duuuuuun!
 

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I should clarify, I don't buy into, "water is for wimps," but I do like the idea of training in harder environments. If you're going to train in the heat, have plenty of water and yes, salt. I was working in 100° plus weather the last few summers and found that Gatorade with a bit of salt was great if you were feeling dehydrated. Works well on hangovers, too.
 

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I had two-a-days, as well.

From middle school through high school

Still, it's not all the crazy to think Dak should get a few reps with guys like Tolbert, so you can assess your situation, especially in a situation like we're in with unknown commodities at WR.

If you're not going to play him in the preseason, he may as well not practice.

Everything is a risk, anyway.
 

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We really don’t want to go back to the “ good old days” as they represent many negative aspects as well. I can assure you the majority of the players don’t want to go back either.
 

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We really don’t want to go back to the “ good old days” as they represent many negative aspects as well. I can assure you the majority of the players don’t want to go back either.

Because they'd be expected to marry the mother of their children?
 

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I’m as old as the dirt where Texas Stayjum once stood, lol.

Bob how old would you be if you didn’t know how old you were?

That’s an important mindset to have…and I’m a year older than you.

BTW - Me? 45. Still work out hard and still can do pretty much what I used to do just not quite as fast or quick. But I’m grateful for my health and never take it for granted and I know I will go downhill at some point but that’s okay. I want healthspan not lifespan.

Live long die short.
 

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I'll take the old days over what we have now. The modern game sucks.
I played when you ran till you puked and got planted in the turf going over the middle even in practice by a teammate. When it was so hot that it made you fantasize about being in an air conditioned room. I'll trade modern football for the old game without giving it a second thought.
 

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Coaches "back in the day" were more intimidating, I think.

I remember a couple practices where I could have told you what my coach had for breakfast. "Facemask" was a penalty in the game but a motivating tool at practice.

I can guarantee you that only a percentage of injuries in the NFL were actually reported. Pain blockers were often used in situations where it shouldn't have and any retired QB from the 70's can tell you about a memory loss experience at some point.

I'm glad that the NFL is mor sensitive to long term effects of injuries today. I just wish they could find some other way to combat this issue without changing the game too much. Hopefully, they will continue to improve upon the equipment being used.
 
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