When all the smoke clears

[Blackrain]

I think the kid would feel threatened by a strong personality also.

We can hope all we want that he might take a step back eventually, but he seems to love the spotlight as well and wants to walk around and flex his power.

They hired yet another puppet. As I keep saying, none of this will change until rock bottom is hit, and they aren’t there. If there’s any good news, they are headed directly for it.

I'm not going to go as far to say they've hit rock bottom
There has definitely been a shift the pendulum has swung pretty far the other way at this point the media used to cut Jerry a break and didn't really hold his feet to the fire that ship has sailed.

There's four or five sports shows on now and all they say is that Jerry's cheap nobody wants to coach there he meddles too much all the news media is now piling on and that didn't used to happen

Michael Irvin his strongest supporter for the longest time has finally become Fed up and is leading the charge Michael's a true Dallas cowboy and he is tired of this crap and making his sentiments known it's having a ripple effect through the media and fan base in my opinion

 

[Blackrain]

My focus or what I'm looking at as an indicator to the '25 season is FA. If they're not active and fill holes during March it's going to go bad.

You're 100% right if they are not active in free agency and give schottenheimer a shot in the arm short to speak by an infusion of talent they are setting him up to fail

 

[Blackrain]

I think a lot of fans are full of smoke.

Some of the theories they come up with. Then repeat over and over. Making urban legends from them.
Some of them are true though.

Jerry is the ultimate 29 year factor. But to say he sabotaged the 2024 season on purpose is absurd.
He sabotaged it and the future for the next 4 years opening day.
What word does he like to use, serendipity, he sabotaged it by that.

I think the smoke was what Jerry let our season go up in when he let everybody walk Armstrong, Fowler ,gallimore ,Pollard, Tyron Smith Biadiaz to name a few.

And didn't bother participating in adding anyone to the roster.
Oh sorry wait a minute we did get Zeke swell.

In this kind or gentler world we live in let's say we don't call it sabotage what do we call it not playing the best running back and not playing the best offensive lineman.

If it wasn't sabotage he most coincidentally when out of his way to not give McCarthy anything to work with and force him to play the substandard players so I don't know what you want to call it.
I will call it a complete travesty and waste of time for the fan base to have to sit through and watch this crap whatever it may be

As far as an urban legend Jerry is quickly gaining legendary status for just how cheap he is the media is jumping on this like crazy and piling on

 

[fivetwos]

I'm not going to go as far to say they've hit rock bottom
There has definitely been a shift the pendulum has swung pretty far the other way at this point the media used to cut Jerry a break and didn't really hold his feet to the fire that ship has sailed.

There's four or five sports shows on now and all they say is that Jerry's cheap nobody wants to coach there he meddles too much all the news media is now piling on and that didn't used to happen

Michael Irvin his strongest supporter for the longest time has finally become Fed up and is leading the charge Michael's a true Dallas cowboy and he is tired of this crap and making his sentiments known it's having a ripple effect through the media and fan base in my opinion

I didn’t say they are at rock bottom as we speak, but that’s where it needs to be before any significant change is going to happen.

During next seasons debacle we will be hearing all about those 12 win seasons (11-1 vs Wash and NYG) and how bad luck and injuries are the problem. That and the cap. It’s unfortunate that the Cowboys are the only team that has to deal with those issues.

Love how injuries were the excuse for this past season when in the previous one they were about as healthy (Diggs aside) as you could ask for and got blown out at home in the playoffs.

 

[Cowboys5217]

We saw the result of being cheap just this year. Once the injuries started, the Cowboys started running out of quality players to put on the field. Especially on the defense. If Jerry goes cheap again this year the results could be a top 10 pick in the 2026 draft.

I don't know about that. Team seemed to play better after all the "star players' got injured.

These are all NFL players. Any group of which should suffice to win championships as long as the QB himself is good, and not a choker when the pressure is on.

It's a QB problem (Dak isn't good enough), and a culture problem (Jerry's fault).

 

[Cowboys5217]

I think a lot of fans are full of smoke.

Some of the theories they come up with. Then repeat over and over. Making urban legends from them.
Some of them are true though.

Jerry is the ultimate 29 year factor. But to say he sabotaged the 2024 season on purpose is absurd.
He sabotaged it and the future for the next 4 years opening day.
What word does he like to use, serendipity, he sabotaged it by that.

Absurd?

Jerry sabotaged a potential 4 in a row dynasty because of his ego. Nothing is off the table as far as theories about Jerry's ego and motives go after the Jimmy incident.

 

[JustChip]

He’s never going to fire Schottenheimer with years left on his deal, either. Some important decisions have to be made in the next 90 days. My guess is the New York Giants will be aggressive in free agency. It’s more likely the Cowboys are a fourth place team next season than moving ahead of Washington or Philadelphia in 2025.

New York has one huge flaw - QB. They may be better, but they’re not going yo be this year’s Washington.

Dallas’ outlook will be dependent on what they do or don’t do in FA. A repeat of last year’s FA and it’ll be a repeat of this past year.

 

[Blackrain]

Absurd?

Jerry sabotaged a potential 4 in a row dynasty because of his ego. Nothing is off the table as far as theories about Jerry's ego and motives go after the Jimmy incident.

Spot on brother I wasn't even going back that far but yeah his ego has no bounds.

There are no consequences in his world he makes tons of money no matter what.
Us fans suffer the consequences of his ego he just goes along like nothing's happened

 

[KingCorcoran]

New York has one huge flaw - QB. They may be better, but they’re not going yo be this year’s Washington.

Dallas’ outlook will be dependent on what they do or don’t do in FA. A repeat of last year’s FA and it’ll be a repeat of this past year.

The Giants’ coaching staff is in “win or else” posture. Cowboys coaching staff is in “what”s your name again?” posture.

 

[Praxit]

...me thinks, Jerry knew Deion never wanted to come here in first place. His heart is in Colorado.

Probably just for media hyperbole, they luve that stuff.

McCarthy was offered a viable contract, but he wanted more. Now, he has no job.

As for Shotty hire? ....IDK. We gotta hope, its right kind, in right kind of way ..

We just have our opinions.

 

[MikeT22]

He’s never going to fire Schottenheimer with years left on his deal, either.

Probably but it could depend on his deal. I havent seen any details of his contract other than its for 4 years. Almost as if they are embarrassed to make it public. Who knows, maybe its so low and structured with incentives that it makes it easy and cheap to get out of it early.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Probably but it could depend on his deal. I havent seen any details of his contract other than its for 4 years. Almost as if they are embarrassed to make it public. Who knows, maybe its so low and structured with incentives that it makes it easy and cheap to get out of it early.

Has an NFL head coach ever signed a contract that was not fully guaranteed? If Schottenheimer’s agent agreed to anything other than that he’ll be out of the agent business pretty damn fast.

 

[MikeT22]

Has an NFL head coach ever signed a contract that was not fully guaranteed? If Schottenheimer’s agent agreed to anything other than that he’ll be out of the agent business pretty damn fast.

Dont think so, but Im not saying it isn’t guaranteed. Just dont know how it is structured.

 

[Blackrain]

Yeah….most teams are like ‘what went wrong last year and how can we fix it?’

Jerry and his kid are like “well we got Parsons coming up…”

All they do is whine about the same cap that every other team has to deal with. The conflict of interest that results from also being the owner has been a serious problem.

Yes sir all you hear is what they can't do because of the cap and they look at what went wrong last year and how can we forget it put it out of our minds and avoid spending any money on fixing it earlier.

They remind me of people who tear up their bills hoping that they'll just go away.

 

[GMO415]

The teams culture is garbage hence this team is garbage

 

[john van brocklin]

When all the smoke clears and we've bench raced this coaching hire to death I think we're going to come up with the fact that any coach hired is only going to be as successful as Jerry will let them be.
I fully understand everyone's upset with this lackluster coaching hire.
Looking at his record it's nothing to write home about.

Every sports show is talking about how cheap Jerry is

How successful can you be as a coach when your handcuffed by a front office that won't spend any money in free agency.

Would Belichick want to be made a fool of at the end of his career handcuffed by Jerry.

I believe Jerry was flat out afraid that coach prime would steal all his thunder and would become the face of the franchise that's why he didn't get hired he was too big of a personality it would be like Jimmy again but even bigger and more popular.
Even McCarthy was done with the circus and doesn't want to get involved with the saints dysfunction either.
At this point I believe the only people that will take this coaching job are guys with nothing to lose.

Jerry flat out will not give any coach enough tools to do the job completely just enough to hang around the rim as he says.

I think Brian schottenheimer is as good as we're going to get with Jerry in charge from what the news media are saying things have taken a turn and no one wants to take their turn on this carousel of failure your thoughts

Nothing personal towards Jerry,
He just does not have the skill set to be a successful GM.
That's beyond being proved by 29 straight years of no NFCCG.
So until he steps down our ceiling is an occasional wild card playoff win.
I am resigned to this unfortunate fact.

 

[john van brocklin]

I agree with everything you say. However, I am hoping he sees all the criticism and decides he will spend what he has to to make the team a viable contender and catch up with the Eagles and the like. He has a huge ego and wants to show everyone he's still got it. I look for them to make several splash free agent signings and do what he has to to put a good product on the field.

The only thing I worry about is that he is going to try to do this all by himself instead of getting someone in here to teach him how to work the cap the way other teams do. We shall see

I agree wholeheartedly.
Unless he gets some advise from a real GM, I have no confidence in his ability to handle big free agent signings.

 

[plasticman]

The Cowboys head coach should be the highest paid coach in the league when you consider the degree to which he is handicapped by the lack of authority, inability to install his specific philosophy, insufficient participation in selecting his assistant coaches, and constant undermining by a pretend GM who loves the sound of his own voice.

That's one way to determine whether or not your team's coaches are quality. Their ability is directly proportional to their disdain for any position as a Cowboys coach.

 

[Rayman70]

As crazy as this sounds possibly he was so upset with the loss against Green Bay that he dedicated the whole season to being vindictive to McCarthy by giving him absolutely nothing to work with and not letting him speak to the bears for that coaching job pretty much doing everything he could to make McCarthy fail.
From all accounts McCarthy was left with the saints and chose not to participate in that dysfunction and is out of football at the moment maybe that was Jerry's aim.

There's any justice for us fans maybe he dedicates himself to trying to make schottenheimer successful it's really all in his hands.

You nailed it. I have been saying this all year. YES jerry IS that vindictive. Jerry dedicated 2024 to making sure changes would be made come 2025. Meaning, undermining MM and the team willfully by doing mostly nothing. He was devastated after the GB loss. For anyone that knows how Jerry thinks, the guy is ruthless as they come and calculated. You do not do what hes done in the Oil business for starters, unless you've hurt alot of feelings and been ruthless along the way. Hes that way in Football. He felt betrayed by DQ and MM so he doesn't even try to keep DQ, then he forces MM to play as a lame duck HC THEN belittled him with an awful offer. I can't argue with JJ for this. I was ticked at MM too. As well as DQ. I can't blame Jerry. Only thing I would have done differently was fire MM after the GB game. My understanding is Stephen wanted to do just that. MM deserved what he got. Now no one will hire him. Lastly, I actually think your right on Shotty. I believe the Jones boys want the HC to be great and we are seeing it with the staff hires. These aren't the usually lacky hires...we are seeing highly thought of talent come in and being hired. If we hire Adams as the OC, that will bold well. You are onto something.

 

[Rayman70]

I think a lot of fans are full of smoke.

Some of the theories they come up with. Then repeat over and over. Making urban legends from them.
Some of them are true though.

Jerry is the ultimate 29 year factor. But to say he sabotaged the 2024 season on purpose is absurd.
He sabotaged it and the future for the next 4 years opening day.
What word does he like to use, serendipity, he sabotaged it by that.

maybe your correct but we cannot dismiss the theory that he did this. I instantly thought the same thing after last offseason when we didnt extend anyone or do anything in free agency. It looked like willful intent to undermine the HC...to hamper the staff.