When does the new year begin?

[dsturgeon]

When does everyone think the new year begins? It is boring calendar talk, but I am always curious when people think the new year starts, or if they know why they celebrate what they celebrate. Should the new year start mid winter when everything is dead? Should the day start at midnight?

The earliest known celebration of the new year was the Babylonians. They celebrated it as the first new moon following the vernal equinox—the day in late March with an equal amount of sunlight and darkness
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The Egyptians, Phoenicians, and Persians began their new year with the fall equinox, and the Greeks celebrated it at the winter solstice.
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The first time the new year was celebrated on January 1st in Rome was in 153 B.C.E. In fact, the month of January did not even exist until around 700 B.C.E., when the second king of Rome, Numa Pontilius, added the months of January and February.

February was the end of the year, making the new year a spring event. The new year was moved from March to January because that was the beginning of the civil year, the month that the two newly elected Roman consuls—the highest officials in the Roman republic—began their one-year tenure. But this new year date was not always strictly and widely observed, and the new year was still sometimes celebrated on March 1.

In 46 B.C. E. Julius Caesar introduced a new, solar-based calendar. The old calendar had become out of sync over the years. This new Julian calendar began the new year with January 1. Within the Roman world, January 1 would become the consistently observed start of the new year. Sacrifices were made to Janus, gifts and visits were exchanged, along with masquerading and feasting.

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The Biblical new year is based off agriculture. When barley is mature or ready to be harvested, the first crescent moon or new moon starts the new year.

 

[Runwildboys]

When does everyone think the new year begins? It is boring calendar talk, but I am always curious when people think the new year starts, or if they know why they celebrate what they celebrate. Should the new year start mid winter when everything is dead? Should they day start at midnight?

The earliest known celebration of the new year was the Babylonians. They celebrated it as the first new moon following the vernal equinox—the day in late March with an equal amount of sunlight and darkness
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The Egyptians, Phoenicians, and Persians began their new year with the fall equinox, and the Greeks celebrated it at the winter solstice.
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The first time the new year was celebrated on January 1st in Rome was in 153 B.C.E. In fact, the month of January did not even exist until around 700 B.C.E., when the second king of Rome, Numa Pontilius, added the months of January and February.

February was the end of the year, making the new year a spring event. The new year was moved from March to January because that was the beginning of the civil year, the month that the two newly elected Roman consuls—the highest officials in the Roman republic—began their one-year tenure. But this new year date was not always strictly and widely observed, and the new year was still sometimes celebrated on March 1.

In 46 B.C. E. Julius Caesar introduced a new, solar-based calendar. The old calendar had become out of sync over the years. This new Julian calendar began the new year with January 1. Within the Roman world, January 1 would become the consistently observed start of the new year. Sacrifices were made to Janus, gifts and visits were exchanged, along with masquerading and feasting.

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The Biblical new year is based off agriculture. When barley is mature or ready to be harvested, the first crescent moon or new moon starts the new year.

Did Caesar "introduce" a new calendar, or did he simply add to the existing one? September and October were once the 7th and 8th months, respectively, hence their prefixes. July (Julius) and August (Augustus) were added in, pushing September and October 2 months down the line.

 

[dsturgeon]

Did Caesar "introduce" a new calendar, or did he simply add to the existing one? September and October were once the 7th and 8th months, respectively, hence their prefixes. July (Julius) and August (Augustus) were added in, pushing September and October 2 months down the line.

Of retained knowledge, I know very little about the roman calendar or calendar histories. I am hoping what i posted is accurate on everything. I found it off one website. The last time I spent anytime in calendar study it was looking at luni, solar, lunisolar, conjuction, enochin, etc, and after a lot of time, I concluded with I don't know, and it is all a jumble in my head

Which is a reason I like to ask different people. When I look out the window, it does not seem like the new year to me.

 

[Sarek]

Winter Solstice should be New Years Eve.

 

[CouchCoach]

The New Year begins at 12:00:01AM January 1 and the hangover begins at approximately 8:00AM, when either the baby awakens or the dog barks or the cat decides smelling it's butt might awaken you in a splendid mood.

The New Year for me has always depended on the previous year as to how much I anticipate the symbolic rollover to a brand new year. I was looking forward to 2021 as the year the pandemic began to weaken and life returned to a more normal state of chaos. So much for 2021 and far worse than I had ever considered it might be on every level.

The one thing I do not get is this tradition of black-eyed peas or sauerkraut on New Year's Day for good luck. If that's has any validity, we'd all be in the casinos on January 2.

 

[dsturgeon]

Winter Solstice should be New Years Eve.

What do you think about when the day should begin?

When the sun goes down the day is over and the next day begins

When the sun rises the day starts, and ends before the sun rises the next day

At midnight in between the sun going down and the sun rising

 

[Runwildboys]

Winter Solstice should be New Years Eve.

Yes, when the days start getting longer.

 

[Runwildboys]

What do you think about when the day should begin?

When the sun goes down the day is over and the next day begins

When the sun rises the day starts, and ends before the sun rises the next day

At midnight in between the sun going down and the sun rising

Midnight is the only choice that's consistent.

 

[dsturgeon]

Yes, when the days start getting longer.

Why the length of days as the start instead of the start of a season or the start of agriculture and new plants/life coming out?

 

[dsturgeon]

Midnight is the only choice that's consistent.

There is 24 consistencies that align with that choice. I have spent a lot of time looking at sunset and sunrise, but I have not looked up the actual reason for midnight

I think about time zones. Is there a difference in sunrise with time zones or is there overlap

 

[dsturgeon]

The New Year begins at 12:00:01AM January 1 and the hangover begins at approximately 8:00AM, when either the baby awakens or the dog barks or the cat decides smelling it's butt might awaken you in a splendid mood.

The New Year for me has always depended on the previous year as to how much I anticipate the symbolic rollover to a brand new year. I was looking forward to 2021 as the year the pandemic began to weaken and life returned to a more normal state of chaos. So much for 2021 and far worse than I had ever considered it might be on every level.

The one thing I do not get is this tradition of black-eyed peas or sauerkraut on New Year's Day for good luck. If that's has any validity, we'd all be in the casinos on January 2.

How do you make your black eyed peas?

 

[Runwildboys]

Why the length of days as the start instead of the start of a season or the start of agriculture and new plants/life coming out?

Again, it's more consistent than the arbitrary times plants spring to life, and it will never change.

 

[Runwildboys]

There is 24 consistencies that align with that choice. I have spent a lot of time looking at sunset and sunrise, but I have not looked up the actual reason for midnight

I think about time zones. Is there a difference in sunrise with time zones or is there overlap

Sundials are the reason for midnight. It's the opposite of noon, when the sun is highest in the sky.

 

[dsturgeon]

Sundials are the reason for midnight. It's the opposite of noon, when the sun is highest in the sky during the Summer Solstice.

That I will remember.

 

[Runwildboys]

There is 24 consistencies that align with that choice. I have spent a lot of time looking at sunset and sunrise, but I have not looked up the actual reason for midnight

I think about time zones. Is there a difference in sunrise with time zones or is there overlap

There is obviously a difference between the actual sunrise in the Easternmost and Westernmost parts of any time zone.

 

[Runwildboys]

That I will remember.

I edited my post, because I think the sun is highest at noon every day, not just during the Summer Solstice.

 

[dsturgeon]

There is obviously a difference between the actual sunrise in the Easternmost and Westernmost parts of any time zone.

My thoughts were where they meet, and everything observable in the sky being the same, but the hour not being consistent. The time zones were created for consistency in travel, but they create inconsistency with the heavens

 

[Cowpolk]

How do you make your black eyed peas?

In a slow cooker

 

[dsturgeon]

In a slow cooker

I have a shipment of black eyed peas, scarlet runner beans, and royal corona beans arriving friday. If you have never tried scarlet runner beans, they are worth a try

 

[Runwildboys]

My thoughts were where they meet, and everything observable in the sky being the same, but the hour not being consistent. The time zones were created for consistency in travel, but they create inconsistency with the heavens

Are you proposing the time zones be divided into minutes? (That was kind of a joke, but not completely since I honestly don't know what inconsistencies you're referring to.)
The sunrise is never going to happen at the same moment for everyone, obviously, so I'm wondering if you mean the inconsistency of my sunrise being 5 minutes earlier than someone just West of me.