When exactly was Dallas supposed to run the clock out?

[Blackspider214]

Painful to see there are still supporters of this junk this coaching staff and Romo at times are giving us.

What happened in the 2nd half was unacceptable, on both sides of the ball.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

even if they wanted to throw the damn ball, do it with a running back in the back field, from under center. Keep the play action available to make throwing easier. Instead the go empty back field, from shotgun.

Pure stupidity!

 

[Brooksey]

Actually, Genius, I've said MANY times in this thread that we should have run the ball more overall. Learn how to read before you address me.

So are you implying your a genius because you agree Jason Garett's play calling?

Nobody said mixing in some passes was a bad thing, but it's run first and pass when you have to, When the run is working. Why not chew the clock, protect the ball and make first downs. From 1:09 in 3rd quarter to 7:00 in 4th quarter we passed 12 out of 14 plays in a row. We scored a Td on one but we needed two gb drive continuing penalties and an overturned interception to do it. From our second possession of the 3rd quarter to the end of the games we passed 18 out of 21 plays. No balance.

 

[landroverking]

The D has been putting the O behind the eight ball all season long. So blame Romo for trying to win the game.

 

[Nightman]

Bill Barnwell explains my thoughts in much more detail

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10145592/bill-barnwell-week-15-nfl

 

[Doomsay]

Does Canadian football give automatic first downs for running attempts?

Our running offense could have, without the risk of turnover, that's the point. Stop trying to defend the indefensible: Jason and Tony messed up.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

And they also could have run three and out, punted the ball and watched Flynn go up and down the field. Stop pretending you have a crystal ball.

 

[Brooksey]

Bill Barnwell explains my thoughts in much more detail

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10145592/bill-barnwell-week-15-nfl

Bill Barnwell is a NY Giants Loving, Cowboys hating, Romo ranting twitter guy. Consider your sources, lol.

As Bill sells the (3) straight passes that went three and out, he blames a high percentage pass to Murray that was dropped, well those are lower percentage plays then a basic run. Yes the sack also ran some clock but didn't keep the drive going, it was a major negative play that resulted in another quick TD for GB after the punt.

The point isn't to run for the sake of running, it's for the sake of limiting turnovers, picking up first downs while running as much clock as possible, and controlling the line of scrimmage with run blocking etc. Obviously this is not a good plan if ....

A. The run is not working
B. We are 2-3 score behind and time is a factor.

This was not the case.

 

[Coy]

48 passes....18 runs.

STOP

I don't care how you word it, I don't care how you try to spin it, I don't care how you ask it.

NO!

In a game that we were leading and leading handily for more than 55 minutes by the way.

 

[Nightman]

Bill Barnwell is a NY Giants Loving, Cowboys hating, Romo ranting twitter guy. Consider your sources, lol.

As Bill sells the (3) straight passes that went three and out, he blames a high percentage pass to Murray that was dropped, well those are lower percentage plays then a basic run. Yes the sack also ran some clock but didn't keep the drive going, it was a major negative play that resulted in another quick TD for GB after the punt.

The point isn't to run for the sake of running, it's for the sake of limiting turnovers, picking up first downs while running as much clock as possible, and controlling the line of scrimmage with run blocking etc. Obviously this is not a good plan if ....

A. The run is not working
B. We are 2-3 score behind and time is a factor.

This was not the case.

They only ran it 11 times in the first half when they built the 23 point lead. The ratio isn't important. Consistently moving the ball and scoring is.

 

[Doomsay]

And they also could have run three and out, punted the ball and watched Flynn go up and down the field. Stop pretending you have a crystal ball.

Crystal ball? We are talking percentages right? 2nd & 6, GB with one TO, under 3 mins to play, ball on our 35, running game averaging 7 yds a carry. Basic situational football. You don't like the reality, so you always question the analysis...

 

[Brooksey]

They only ran it 11 times in the first half when they built the 23 point lead. The ratio isn't important. Consistently moving the ball and scoring is.

Yes, In certain situations the ratio is not as important. However, there are game managing things to consider like the clock, controlling the line of scrimmage and protecting the football.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Crystal ball? We are talking percentages right? 2nd & 6, GB with one TO, under 3 mins to play, ball on our 35, running game averaging 7 yds a carry. Basic situational football. You don't like the reality, so you always question the analysis...

You mean whatever your yards per carry, you always get that on the next attempt? That's even better than a crystal ball! Hindsight is not analysis. Go sit back down on the couch and play Madden. Your wacky concepts make more sense there.

 

[Zman5]

ESPN guys, I think Schefter, just had a good point... We ran the ball more in the first half than we did in the second half, even though we obviously had a huge lead after halftime.

And the Packers ran the ball more than we did in the second half even though they were down 26-3.

How often have we heard from RJ that we had no choice but to pass it when we got down 10 in the second quarter? Bet Packer fans are glad McCarthy didn't get that memo.

What's more ridiculous about yesterday debacle is that our run game was working. Murray was averaging 7.5 yards a carry. I think he only had 2 carries where it was 3 yards or less.

Once Packers got the score to 29-17, JG went into his typical full panic pass mode even though we were still leading by 12 points.

 

[Doomsay]

You mean whatever your yards per carry, you always get that on the next attempt? That's even better than a crystal ball! Hindsight is not analysis. Go sit back down on the couch and play Madden. Your wacky concepts make more sense there.

You know what you don't get 99.9% of the time? A game ending turnover. Nobody agrees with Jason's and or Tony's choice there, in fact both are waffling or trying to distance themselves from it, you should do the same.

 

[Zman5]

People make it sound like run play was a give up play. It wasn't yesterday. When you are running that well, you keep doing it until the opponent stop you. We were running well even with the extra man in the box.

Why do you think the Packers kept running even when they were down by 23 points? Because it was working for them.

They ran it more than we did in the 2nd half. That is pathetic considering we were the team who had the 23 point lead.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You know what you don't get 99.9% of the time? A game ending turnover. Nobody agrees with Jason's and or Tony's choice there, in fact both are waffling or trying to distance themselves from it, you should do the same.

LOL @ game ending turnover. So they had to go 50 yards instead of 80, when they had already gone 80 three times. We saved them what, 1 play and 8 seconds given our defense? Plenty of people have no problem with the calls... you're just mad because it didn't work (aka hindsight). We all are.

 

[Nightman]

LOL @ game ending turnover. So they had to go 50 yards instead of 80, when they had already gone 80 three times. We saved them what, 1 play and 8 seconds given our defense? Plenty of people have no problem with the calls... you're just mad because it didn't work (aka hindsight). We all are.

I was off today after working all weekend. It was driving me crazy watching TV all day with the narrative that Romo choked away another game. Not one mention about one of the worst defenses that has ever took the field. It is so much more fun for everyone to blame Romo, Garrett and JJ. The defense gave up 5 straight TD drives that covered 312 yds and took only 14:13 off the clock. I had no problem with Dallas trying to outscore GB instead of going ultra conservative. We've all seen this defense fail miserably time and time again. At least Romo has some major comeback wins on his resume. I have much more faith in him than the D. If the plan is to run when they show pass defense and pass when they show run defense, then it is wise to stick with it especially since it was working. They scored 36 points, which is normally enough to win.

All that being said, Tony had a pretty average game. He missed a few open throws that could've been huge plays, especially the first INT. Murray and Witten had a few bad drops. Beasely stopped short on the second INT. But in the end, the defense was decimated by a 4th string QB. Imagine what Rodgers would've done, oh yeah we don't have to, we saw Brees, McCown and McGloin do it to us already.

 

[Beast_from_East]

They had the ball twice in the 3rd quarter. On the first drive they went 11 plays 6:35 minutes and got a FG.

Second drive Murray flat out drops a wide open pass. They can run it twice after that to run clock, but do you really want to give up on a drive inside your 20 in the 3rd Q. I don't. They probably could've run a draw on second down, but threw a short incomplete pass to Hanna. They tried to get a first and got sacked. It happens but at least the clock was running for all the complainers.

4th Q they go on a 10 play 90yd TD, 5minute drive to make it 36-24 with 7:55 left.

The Packers then go 80 yds for a TD for the 3rd time this half and score a TD for the fourth time in 4 tries to make it 36-31. Do you really believe Dallas can run out the 4:17 when GB has 3 TOs and the 2 minute warning. Dallas needs to keep scoring. On first down, Romo misses a wide open Dez after a great play fake. Sack on second, first down completion to Dez on third. Murray runs for 5yds on first down, GB TO. On second down a run/pass option is called. GB has 10 in the box to stop the run, so Romo goes with the quick slant option. Not a bad decision, but the throw was late and behind Austin. If he leads him it's probably a TD. Again, they weren't running out the clock and with a 10 man box, they weren't running for a first.

So if they went run, run there, GB uses another TO and gets the ball back after the punt with 2:00 left and no TOs. Does anyone think they hold GB on defense because GB had to use their TOs? Either way Dallas is in the same position of being down by one with around a minute left and 3 TOs.

Is that you Garrett?...................................Your boy Aikman called you out pretty good during the game, said your game management was inexcusable.................dont think Aikman is buying this spin and neither are any of us.

 

[Nightman]

Is that you Garrett?...................................Your boy Aikman called you out pretty good during the game, said your game management was inexcusable.................dont think Aikman is buying this spin and neither are any of us.

Wow you're funny and original. If Romo hits Austin the games over. If they run-run-run and punt they still lose, but they don't have any time left to even try to re-take the league.