When Kellen Moore is fired?

[Hennessy_King]

 

[fivetwos]

Good luck running the WCO offense with a QB who can’t throw a slant

That was kind of my first thought.

I admittedly don’t understand it well enough, and we don’t know it that’s what MM will go with if Moore does indeed leave, but the “West Coast Offense” I recall from back in the day was all about slants, short passes, and more importantly…hitting receivers in stride, which Dak flat out cannot do.

@xwalker

 

[Ken]

Will they hire Ben McAdoo or go after a big name like Kingsbury?

Or McCarthy takes over the offense with a placeholder OC like Brian Schottenheimer.

Hell no to McAdoo. As i always say....McAdoo....McAdon't.


I like the placeholder idea.

As i have been saying since we hired McCarthy...it is the DUMBEST thing in the world to hire him and not let him implement and run his offense. Calling the plays.

It is like the Chiefs hiring Andy Reid and not letting him implement his offense or call the plays.

 

[big dog cowboy]

WCO?, you gotta be able to hit

You could have just stopped right there.

 

[big dog cowboy]

As i have been saying since we hired McCarthy...it is the DUMBEST thing in the world to hire him and not let him implement and run his offense. Calling the plays.

It is like the Chiefs hiring Andy Reid and not letting him implement his offense or call the plays.

 

[quickccc]

Will they hire Ben McAdoo or go after a big name like Kingsbury?

Or McCarthy takes over the offense with a placeholder OC like Brian Schottenheimer.

I think i'd rather have Kellen than Bob McAdoo.

Schottenhemeir won't do it either.
Reports were he was fired because Pete Carroll thought he abandoned or did not involve the run game enuff.
Way too pass happy. And with Seattle's questionable pass protection that did not help matters with Russell getting toe-tagged to the ground as he did
in Seattle.

Carroll wanted to aim for more of a well-balanced offensive attack so he replaced Schottenhemeir.

 

[darthseinfeld]

They said the same with Eli Manning, he did well in that scheme.

Its all smashing Prescott as much as possible. Dont get in the way of that

 

[fivetwos]

Hell no to McAdoo. As i always say....McAdoo....McAdon't.


I like the placeholder idea.

As i have been saying since we hired McCarthy...it is the DUMBEST thing in the world to hire him and not let him implement and run his offense. Calling the plays.

It is like the Chiefs hiring Andy Reid and not letting him implement his offense or call the plays.

I don’t always agree with you, but you always state your case very well. I always stop to read what you have to say when scrolling through.

Fully agree on this one, and always have felt the same way.

Realistically, Jerry not only wants full credit, he doesn’t want to put himself in a situation where he has no control over certain other things, which I believe happened during Parcells, and he will never allow again. He wants someone he can absolutely push around leading one unit.

MM wanted a job. A contract that would set his family up for life. He happened to have won a SB before and Jerry was dazzled by the “I know how to get a team there” line of crap.

It wasnt so much a strange hire, but as far as bringing him on as a walk around coach, that was strange….and while I think Aaron Rodgers is the biggest &$@“(&$ in the world, I just can’t shake the “low football IQ” comment.

I don’t dislike Mike, I’m just not sure his being the guy here is related more to his willingness to be a puppet vs his actual ability.

Some HC will eventually win a SB with a second team. Is Mike that guy?

 

[xwalker]

That was kind of my first thought.

I admittedly don’t understand it well enough, and we don’t know it that’s what MM will go with if Moore does indeed leave, but the “West Coast Offense” I recall from back in the day was all about slants, short passes, and more importantly…hitting receivers in stride, which Dak flat out cannot do.

@xwalker

What McCarthy ran in Green Bay looked much different than the Bill Walsh / Joe Montana offense with Jerry Rice running crossing patterns and then gaining big YAC.

Based on the Kurt Warner videos, it seems that the current scheme could easily morph into a scheme like Warner played.

The details of routes and route combinations are both an issue.

Warner went in great detail about the 2nd INT and how CeeDee ran it incorrectly.

 

[quickccc]

There's no way Kellen Moore is getting fired.

People thought the same thang with Jason Garrett .. another one that was supposed to be Boy Wonder Genius. per Jerry.

 

[DFWJC]

People thought the same thang with Jason Garrett .. another one that was supposed to be Boy Wonder Genius. per Jerry.

By the time Garrett got fired, nobody was calling him a boy wonder...and they hadn't been for many years

 

[quickccc]

Did you watch the games. Dak runs about as fast as Zeke now. He is an awkward runner as well and does not have the power he used to have n his younger days.

Dak "lumbers" .... he really looks cumbersome when he takes off, but some are so hooked on the Lamar Jacksons and Justin Fields and Josh Allens that they really think Dak
needs to be in that mode.

He'll never recover to the previous form of his pre-broken ankle run skills. And i do not want him going Bravo again with taking on tacklers who'll pin those ankles up
like before- and now we've had two of our very best offensive players getting weight pinned under their legs en route to serious injuries.

Slide or lumber out of bounds, or RPO run-sneak over the goal line... that's about as far as i want Dak " running"

 

[Proof]

lol @ mcadoodoo

 

[Zman5]

Donovan McFlabb was a 58%(completion percentage) career passer and was successful in Andy Reid's WCO.

 

[Cowboyny]

MM should already be calling plays... that was his expertise in SF and GB. He was excellent and he came out the west coast offense in SF.

Yes, he has a vast wealth of experience as a playcaller, where Moore has never done it prior to being hired by the team. The optics point to Jerry forcing MM to keep Moore, but he finally might be handed all the keys.

 

[quickccc]

By the time Garrett got fired, nobody was calling him a boy wonder...and they hadn't been for many years

they did since 2016, when he actually won" NFL's Coach of the Year " .. but note on we'd make the playoffs ... missed the playoffs next year ..make playoffs, .. and the cycle repeats itself.

Jerry envisioned Garrett as the next Sean Payton, ..even hired him as OC, before he hired his eventual HC (Wade Phillips)

Imo..i really believe it finally turned when much more of the club operations seem to turn more and more to the son Stephen Jones - thus the Cowboys refusing Red to return.

 

[xwalker]

lol @ mcadoodoo

He was on the Cowboys staff in 2021...

 

[JW82]

This losers gonna keep his job isn’t he.

 

[Cowboyny]

Its all smashing Prescott as much as possible. Dont get in the way of that

Think we all agree, Dak and the offense could use better coaching. MM certainly can provide that. I believe fixing their run game, is a big priority for them this offseason to make the offense more Dak friendly.

 

[Pass2Run]

McCarthy definitely is flexible. McCarthy learned how to coach quarterbacks from the guy that coached Montana when he was winning Super Bowls. I imagine it sticks in his craw all those interceptions. His units used to lead the league in fewest picks. I imagine that is where a lot of the disconnect in read/decision making is coming from.

Shanahan's evolution is in the merging of the run and the pass but Shanahan came from the same SF system. For us it would be a massive shift but in house particularly with McCarthy it's a lot of business as usual.

McCarthy certainly hasn't been much of a QB coach here in Dallas. I'm still trying to figure out what he does.