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[THUMPER]

I have to disagree about Sayers. What he was able to accomplish during the regular season, even in a shorten career, is Hall of Fame worthy. Still, I would add that the Board of Selectors didn't have to automatically make him a first-ballot inductee either because of his career numbers.

Then what about Terrell Davis? Billy Sims? William Andrews? Do they belong?

Sayers was a special case and was also an emotional choice but was he really better than Davis? As a return man yes, but not as a runner.

The problem is that there really is no set criteria for enshrinement, no minimums to be reached, and it is strictly a popularity contest among the sportswriters/mediots that make up the selection committee.

 

[DallasEast]

Then what about Terrell Davis? Billy Sims? William Andrews? Do they belong?

Sayers was a special case and was also an emotional choice but was he really better than Davis? As a return man yes, but not as a runner.

The problem is that there really is no set criteria for enshrinement, no minimums to be reached, and it is strictly a popularity contest among the sportswriters/mediots that make up the selection committee.

Terrell Davis? Beyond that one 2000 yards campaign during a 16-game regular season? No.

Billy Sims? No.

Williams Andrews? Maybe one day, but only as a Seniors Committee finalist years from now. He's a sentimental favorite of mine and a great fullback in my opinion.

If I had to pick one running back for a team I was building between Sayers and Davis, I would pick Sayers.

I have to agree about the selection committee's influence. It's not hard for many of them to be bias since the majority of the committee members are based in the northeast and midwest. For ex-players from teams like Dallas, it does play a factor in the selection process, in my highest opinion.

 

[THUMPER]

Terrell Davis? Beyond that one 2000 yards campaign during a 16-game regular season? No.

Billy Sims? No.

Williams Andrews? Maybe one day, but only as a Seniors Committee finalist years from now. He's a sentimental favorite of mine and a great fullback in my opinion.

If I had to pick one running back for a team I was building between Sayers and Davis, I would pick Sayers.

My point was that none of them belong, including Sayers.

Just for comparison I will give the stats for Davis vs Sayers (full seasons only):

TD - 61 games - 1343 carries - 6413 yards - 105.1 yards per game - 4.78 yards per carry - 56 TDs - 0.92 TDs per game.

GS - 64 games - 955 carries - 4866 yards - 76.0 yards per game - 5.095 yards per carry - 39 TDs - 0.61 TDs per game.

Both were impressive RBs but neither played long enough to warrant induction IMO. The biggest difference to me is that Davis made his team a winner while Sayers really didn't have much effect on his team. Davis was more productive as a RB but Sayers had the added dimension of being an awesome return man.

I believe that Terrell Davis will get in and soon as he was a media favorite and that's really all that matters in the end.

 

[DallasEast]

My point was that none of them belong, including Sayers.

Just for comparison I will give the stats for Davis vs Sayers (full seasons only):

TD - 61 games - 1343 carries - 6413 yards - 105.1 yards per game - 4.78 yards per carry - 56 TDs - 0.92 TDs per game.

GS - 64 games - 955 carries - 4866 yards - 76.0 yards per game - 5.095 yards per carry - 39 TDs - 0.61 TDs per game.

Both were impressive RBs but neither played long enough to warrant induction IMO. The biggest difference to me is that Davis made his team a winner while Sayers really didn't have much effect on his team. Davis was more productive as a RB but Sayers had the added dimension of being an awesome return man.

I believe that Terrell Davis will get in and soon as he was a media favorite and that's really all that matters in the end.

As you've said, Sayers was more than a running back. Even though I would still pick him as a running back, everyone would still need to evaluate his all-around career accomplishments in regards to enshrinement.

I do hope that Davis doesn't get in. If anything, they should enshrine his 60-minute per game chop-blocking offensive line for getting away with murder. Then again, one's already in the Hall, isn't he..?

 

[THUMPER]

As you've said, Sayers was more than a running back. Even though I would still pick him as a running back, everyone would still need to evaluate his all-around career accomplishments in regards to enshrinement.

I do hope that Davis doesn't get in. If anything, they should enshrine his 60-minute per game chop-blocking offensive line for getting away with murder. Then again, one's already in the Hall, isn't he..?

No doubt Shanahan will get in one day as well. GGGRRRRRRR!!!!!!! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[percyhoward]

Emmitt would have had 3 great years but that likely wouldn't be a long enough career to get him in the hall. You just don't see many modern day guys get in on those credentials

I guess it depends on what you mean by "leveling off" after those 3 great years. For a guy who won 3 rushing titles his first four years in the league, leveling off would mean that he won no more rushing titles after that, no more rings, no more 1st team All-Pro's, and maybe only a couple of more reputation-based Pro Bowls.

Since anyone who's ever had that kind of career has gone in on the first ballot, you seem to be arguing with 50 years of history.