TwoDeep3;3067323 said:
Clearly there are two schools of thought on the lightening rod.
Both sides defend their positions.
Lots of people label. I surely have in the past. But what I find to be most interesting about it is the fact that labeling diminishes the other's point without actually addressing it.
I mean you really do not have to debate if the person you are engaged with is a moron. You simply need to call attention to that assertion.
That is a common tactic on message boards. The other is to change the focal point so you aren't pinned into a position you cannot defend.
I say tomato and you say tomato and I say radish.
Will there be people who lambaste Romo if he doesn't win? Surely.
Don't really disagree with anything said here, but I want to point out the last line. It doesn't even have to get to that point. There are people who are lambasting him, and we did win.
How else do you describe the incessant need to bring up past Decembers when December is not here? How else do you describe the mentions of the Post Season, when the Post Season is not here? Both of which are valid points as I said in my very first post.
Why bring those things up now? They are not currently relevant to anything relating to the game yesterday. Not one damned thing.
TwoDeep3 said:
But since this thread was about what constitutes a big game, that really wasn't germane.
I don't know how anyone can deny that what Juke posted was correct TD. NFC East, 1st place. Division rival. How anyone can deny that is a big game is beyond me.
I said people would and they would say December and Post Season. Pulled it right out of the tea leaves in the turban under my crystal ball. How did I know? Because people parrot the media and the media want to bring up that same mantra over and over and over, ad nauseum.
No one had to raise their hand and say, "Hostile, that's me you're talking about. I don't think it was a big game now that we won." I didn't ask for volunteers and I didn't point fingers. I merely made a prediction.
Lo and behold it came true within a few posts. It's my fault people raised their hands? Naw, I don't think so.
TwoDeep3 said:
The inception of Romo chokes at the end came from the press and stats. Stats lie depending on how you use them. But the fact remains Romo hasn't been as sharp at the end of the season as he has in September and November.
Juke's OP didn't deny this. I haven't denied it. So why bring it up?
TwoDeep3 said:
There are other factors. He does play a team sport. But since the OP decided to state this game answers the premise that Romo cannot win a big game, he leaves the other factors out of the equation. Thus those factors cannot be used to prove or disprove the point.
Ah, so the real problem here is that in 4 lines of commentary he did not get specific enough to satisfy every possible angle of a discussion on what a big win means and who it involves.
Dude, that is silly. You've been around the NFL long enough to know that there are 2 people on a football team who are focused on as it pertains to wins. They are the Head Coach and the Starting Quarterback. Anyone who sits there and in all sobriety tells me they have never seen that phenomenon exist in football commentary is either deluded, naive, or flat out lying.
Now see, what will now happen is someone will skip right over deluded and naive and say, "you just called me a liar." Yeah, I know the game. I know every tired tactic. This (debates) are my chess board and I do not miss a move. I win some. I lose some. But the game is never over my head.
TwoDeep3 said:
My position is simple. Does this or does this not constitute a big game?
My way of thinking is this is an important game, but hardly qualifies as a big game. Since the loser still has a shot at making the play-offs rather than the season ends or the play-offs are in dire jeopardy for the loser.
Those games have conventionally come in December. Hence the comments by the press on Romo's late season erosion.
I appreciate this confession. It partially explains why you would take offense to what I said when I didn't say it to you, about you, or accuse you of anything.
TwoDeep3 said:
I have yet to see anyone really take up an opposing position and defend it.
Of course, if I'm a trogodyte, just ignore my post. ;C)
If you wish to apply the label to yourself TD, that is your business isn't it? I defy you to show me where I applied it you. Where I demanded a confession from you. Where I even intimated you. By all means show me where I have done these things.
It's like I said before. "Some people stink." Now you want to shout "I do not" and say I accused you of stinking. No sir. You want to raise your hand so people smell your pits that is your right. But I didn't stick a gun in your face and say "stick em up." If your hands are in the air, you put them there of your own free will and choice.
All I did was predict the coming commentary.
