Where are you Tony Romo haters?

[chuffly]

So, what you are saying is posters on this board are bending the meaning of the term "anomaly" to fit their argument?

Nope. I'll go ahead and explain I suppose.

When making a statistical inference, you need a large enough sample size or the conclusions you make can be flawed. With a limited sample space, you are much more likely to end up with a statistical anomaly that you are trying to draw inferences from which can make for a flawed conclusion. What you are doing here is making an inference that Romo is a choker when it counts. Theo is simply pointing out (and I agree) that you don't have enough information to make that claim and what you may be pointing out could very well be an anomaly. This DOES NOT mean that theo is saying that Romo is an amazing December player, just that we can't make the conclusion that Romo is unable to play in big games from the information given.

And given that Romo just won December player of the month, I'm quite comfortable sticking with this premise (which was my premise all along way back in September).

 

[DIAF]

Let's say you flip a coin 100 times and 50 times are heads and 50 times are tails. But in those 100 flips, you have a 15 flip sequence where 14 out of the 15 flips were tails.

You can't point to those 15 flips and say it's not an anomaly that 14 out of 15 flips were tails. That's not logical.

However, you can't say that 3 out of 4 IS an anomaly. Which is what you did. I admitted it was a small sample size, and that so far 3 out of 4 is not encouraging.

Theo is simply pointing out (and I agree) that you don't have enough information to make that claim and what you may be pointing out could very well be an anomaly. This DOES NOT mean that theo is saying that Romo is an amazing December player, just that we can't make the conclusion that Romo is unable to play in big games from the information given.

Theo said flat-out that Tony's December performances prior to this year were anomalies. Look back at page 2.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Where are they you ask........

After he has a good game tonight, check the suicide line at your local bridges.

 

[theogt]

However, you can't say that 3 out of 4 IS an anomaly. Which is what you did. I admitted it was a small sample size, and that so far 3 out of 4 is not encouraging.

No one using logic would even look at the statistics as "3 out of 4." They would look at the statistics from a "3 out of 15" vantage point. And that begins to really make the 3 look like the anomaly.

 

[EPL0c0]

No matter what happens tonight, I think most can agree that we would not be in this position if it wasn't for our QB. I remember a bunch all last year and the beginning of this year blaming Tony and even calling for his head.

A bunch of fools with "Turnover Tony" and "Homer Simpson with Sunglasses and KoolAid" in their sigs.

Realize RIGHT NOW that he is our guy. He is worth every penny and more (Look at the coin Eli Manning is making, would you rather have that ******?), and understand that whatever happens tonight don't forget what he did yesterday and judge him by tomorrow.

Many forget last year watching Brooks Bollinger and Brad Johnson. Without Tony you might as well light up a doobie with Quincy and let him go in, because Tony Romo is the leader, MVP, and Heart of the Dallas Cowboys.

Although I know you will all hate on him the next time he loses and call for his head, but I only ask that you remember this feeling right now and remember the feeling last year when we werent even in the race due to our backup QBs. This good feeling right now is because of Tony Romo. Thanks Tony, and sorry about these idiots.

I've eaten my crow.

 

[DIAF]

No one using logic would even look at the statistics as "3 out of 4." They would look at the statistics from a "3 out of 15" vantage point. And that begins to really make the 3 look like the anomaly.

Sure, if my point is that Romo is a crappy QB year-round. But it's not.

 

[theogt]

Theo said flat-out that Tony's December performances prior to this year were anomalies. Look back at page 2.

Actually, this is what I said:

Given that, it would seem that the small sample size of "fall[ing] on his face down the stretch" would cause those instances to be viewed, by anyone using an ounce of logic, as the anomaly and not the norm.

It very much appears to be the anomaly and not the norm. No one can say with ABSOLUTE certainty. But my entire point is that it shouldn't, at this point, be "surprising." To be "surprising" one would have to consider it the norm. And the facts that we have actually point to it not being the norm.

Of course, you'll likely fall back on this silly "3 out of 4" notion, which is patently absurd.

 

[DallasEast]

Romo doubter here.

12/14/2004

If Romo were so good, why is it that no one took even so much as a late-round flyer on him? If Romo were so good, why does he look like ****e every time he gets a chance to play? Please put down the pipe, Romo will never be anything more than a backup. I think we are in real trouble. BP doesnt seem to think anything of Henson, which means we'll have another BP-picked washed up vet like Testeverde next year or God help us all, Romo. BP and JJ seem incapable of making any correct decisions regarding the QB position in Dallas. JJ has years of failure, and BP brought us Vinny "I made everyone forget about Carter and not the GOOD way" Testeverde and the refusal to use Henson or Romo for more than 1 half of football.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208160&postcount=20

08/27/2005

God. What wonders one preseason game can do.

Starter? Are you guys insane?

Hey, I once threw a touchdown pass in an intramural football game in college. Maybe i can be an NFL starter too.

We'd better hope Drew stays upright all season long, if Romo has to come in, we are in trouble. Ditto for Henson.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=474570&postcount=8

08/12/2006

Oh good lord.

Yeah, lets make romo the starter............................and watch this team go 4-12.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=963499&postcount=3

08/11/2007

What? Romo was absolutely AWFUL in the last 6 games of the season or so overall. Is he really that bad? No. But, I don't think he's nearly as good as the 5 TD performance we saw on Thanksgiving vs. the Bucs either. Everyone knows here i'm no Romo fan, and I think we will be slightly disappointed in his play this season. All the Cowboys fans I know are expecting Carson Palmer-like numbers. I'm expecting 20-23 TDs and 15-17 picks.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1584455&postcount=12

10/13/2008

Romo is getting worse. He's not protecting the ball and he's trying to stand in there instead of moving around. He doesn't seem to be much of a leader. Sure he's got the stats and thats more than I can say for any other QB we've had in 10 years but I have yet to see him step up his play when things are going bad and lift the team on his shoulders. Sure, you can blame the OL, the recievers not catching balls, whatever you want, but the bottom line is do you want a QB that can succeed from time to time under duress or do you want one who only plays well when everything around him is perfect. Romo does not seem to be the former.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2333226&postcount=17

08/30/2009

Eli only turned the ball over 12 times last year. Romo gave it away 21 times.

Not only would I rather have Eli, I'd rather have McNabb over both of them. We've got the 3rd best QB in the East.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2912651&postcount=22




I think that the phrase "doubter" is an understatement.

 

[theogt]

Sure, if my point is that Romo is a crappy QB year-round. But it's not.

If your point is that Romo is a really good QB throughout the year, with the exception of December, and this means that going forward he will likely be a good QB throughout the year, but continue to falter in December, then all I can do is laugh at the logic.

 

[DIAF]

12/14/2004

If Romo were so good, why is it that no one took even so much as a late-round flyer on him? If Romo were so good, why does he look like ****e every time he gets a chance to play? Please put down the pipe, Romo will never be anything more than a backup. I think we are in real trouble. BP doesnt seem to think anything of Henson, which means we'll have another BP-picked washed up vet like Testeverde next year or God help us all, Romo. BP and JJ seem incapable of making any correct decisions regarding the QB position in Dallas. JJ has years of failure, and BP brought us Vinny "I made everyone forget about Carter and not the GOOD way" Testeverde and the refusal to use Henson or Romo for more than 1 half of football.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208160&postcount=20

08/27/2005

God. What wonders one preseason game can do.

Starter? Are you guys insane?

Hey, I once threw a touchdown pass in an intramural football game in college. Maybe i can be an NFL starter too.

We'd better hope Drew stays upright all season long, if Romo has to come in, we are in trouble. Ditto for Henson.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=474570&postcount=8

08/12/2006

Oh good lord.

Yeah, lets make romo the starter............................and watch this team go 4-12.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=963499&postcount=3

08/11/2007

What? Romo was absolutely AWFUL in the last 6 games of the season or so overall. Is he really that bad? No. But, I don't think he's nearly as good as the 5 TD performance we saw on Thanksgiving vs. the Bucs either. Everyone knows here i'm no Romo fan, and I think we will be slightly disappointed in his play this season. All the Cowboys fans I know are expecting Carson Palmer-like numbers. I'm expecting 20-23 TDs and 15-17 picks.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1584455&postcount=12

10/13/2008

Romo is getting worse. He's not protecting the ball and he's trying to stand in there instead of moving around. He doesn't seem to be much of a leader. Sure he's got the stats and thats more than I can say for any other QB we've had in 10 years but I have yet to see him step up his play when things are going bad and lift the team on his shoulders. Sure, you can blame the OL, the recievers not catching balls, whatever you want, but the bottom line is do you want a QB that can succeed from time to time under duress or do you want one who only plays well when everything around him is perfect. Romo does not seem to be the former.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2333226&postcount=17

08/30/2009

Eli only turned the ball over 12 times last year. Romo gave it away 21 times.

Not only would I rather have Eli, I'd rather have McNabb over both of them. We've got the 3rd best QB in the East.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2912651&postcount=22




I think that the phrase "doubter" is an understatement.

You pulled this same thing last year. Remember our little bet? Who was right then?

 

[chuffly]

It shouldn't be amazing. His statistics over his career are truly astounding, not just relative to where he came from, but in absolute terms.

Given that, it would seem that the small sample size of "fall[ing] on his face down the stretch" would cause those instances to be viewed, by anyone using an ounce of logic, as the anomaly and not the norm. So the fact that it didn't happen this year, when he and his team are healthy, shouldn't be surprising whatsoever.

Claiming 1 out of 4 sure as heck doesn't mean it its the norm.

The problem here is no one claimed that.

Theo said flat-out that Tony's December performances prior to this year were anomalies. Look back at page 2.

He never claimed what you said he did in that second post I quoted. He only said the stats on Romo choking probably weren't the norm. Whether he means the norm is that Romo is okay in December or spectacular really can't be deduced from what he said. Only that choking probably isn't the norm.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I think that the phrase "doubter" is an understatement.

Anyone that has

I can't wait until romo is no longer a cowboy

in their sig isn't a doubter.

 

[NeonNinja]

12/14/2004

If Romo were so good, why is it that no one took even so much as a late-round flyer on him? If Romo were so good, why does he look like ****e every time he gets a chance to play? Please put down the pipe, Romo will never be anything more than a backup. I think we are in real trouble. BP doesnt seem to think anything of Henson, which means we'll have another BP-picked washed up vet like Testeverde next year or God help us all, Romo. BP and JJ seem incapable of making any correct decisions regarding the QB position in Dallas. JJ has years of failure, and BP brought us Vinny "I made everyone forget about Carter and not the GOOD way" Testeverde and the refusal to use Henson or Romo for more than 1 half of football.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208160&postcount=20

08/27/2005

God. What wonders one preseason game can do.

Starter? Are you guys insane?

Hey, I once threw a touchdown pass in an intramural football game in college. Maybe i can be an NFL starter too.

We'd better hope Drew stays upright all season long, if Romo has to come in, we are in trouble. Ditto for Henson.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=474570&postcount=8

08/12/2006

Oh good lord.

Yeah, lets make romo the starter............................and watch this team go 4-12.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=963499&postcount=3

08/11/2007

What? Romo was absolutely AWFUL in the last 6 games of the season or so overall. Is he really that bad? No. But, I don't think he's nearly as good as the 5 TD performance we saw on Thanksgiving vs. the Bucs either. Everyone knows here i'm no Romo fan, and I think we will be slightly disappointed in his play this season. All the Cowboys fans I know are expecting Carson Palmer-like numbers. I'm expecting 20-23 TDs and 15-17 picks.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1584455&postcount=12

10/13/2008

Romo is getting worse. He's not protecting the ball and he's trying to stand in there instead of moving around. He doesn't seem to be much of a leader. Sure he's got the stats and thats more than I can say for any other QB we've had in 10 years but I have yet to see him step up his play when things are going bad and lift the team on his shoulders. Sure, you can blame the OL, the recievers not catching balls, whatever you want, but the bottom line is do you want a QB that can succeed from time to time under duress or do you want one who only plays well when everything around him is perfect. Romo does not seem to be the former.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2333226&postcount=17

08/30/2009

Eli only turned the ball over 12 times last year. Romo gave it away 21 times.

Not only would I rather have Eli, I'd rather have McNabb over both of them. We've got the 3rd best QB in the East.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2912651&postcount=22




I think that the phrase "doubter" is an understatement.

 

[DallasEast]

You pulled this same thing last year. Remember our little bet? Who was right then?

Yes, I remember. Of course, only one of us has defined Romo's entire career long ago.

Doubter is still an understatement. The fact remains that you have never believed in Romo's potential, so why start now?

 

[DallasEast]

Anyone that has in their sig isn't a doubter.

Bingo.

 

[windward]

Romo doubter here. I give him credit, he's finally not choked for once, but this is the first year out of 4 as a starter that he hasn't fallen on his face down the stretch. It's amazing that everyone is willing to sweep the last three failures under the rug because of one good december. Yeah yeah I know its not all his fault, but i'm not blaming the last 3 years solely on him. However, his play was a significant part of it. I will continue to doubt him until he establishes a history of not choking when it matters.

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[DIAF]

Anyone that has in their sig isn't a doubter.

i have made no secret on this forum that I don't think Romo has what it takes to be a championship QB. I would just rather not waste time. Sure, I'm not an expert and but then again neither are any of you. It's an opinion, just like yours.

 

[zrinkill]

Sure, if my point is that Romo is a crappy QB year-round. But it's not.

Then what does your sig mean?

 

[theogt]

Bingo.

I keep everyone's sigs on ignore to keep the threads shorter.

If I had known he had that in his sig, I would have just laughed and moved on.

 

[theogt]

i have made no secret on this forum that I don't think Romo has what it takes to be a championship QB. I would just rather not waste time. Sure, I'm not an expert and but then again neither are any of you. It's an opinion, just like yours.

And the rest of us have an opinion about your opinion. And we'll share it if we please.

Hope you can enjoy the game and enjoy Romo, the second highest rated passer of all time, playing well in the game.