Where is OT Rob Pettiti?

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Alexander;1213655 said:
I cannot see how Coach Parcells cutting a player that would/should be inactive and keeping a seasoned veteran could be characterized as a mistake. There have been plenty that fans determined that he would "rue" yet we don't see them doing much, if anything in the league.

Antonio Bryant has been okay, except he eventually will go a step too far and doesn't appear any more mature two years later than he did the day he pitched his jersey. How are Derek Ross, Resherd Lee, Woodrow Dantzler, Drew Henson, Kalen Thornton, Bruce Thornton, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman and others working out? Not so good.

If bashing him about this release makes some people feel justified in their belief the game has passed him by and he is an senile egomaniacal liar prone to laziness and fetish, so be it. Just try finding a better example than Rob Petitti.

You win some, you lose some. There is nothing rueful about this one yet.
I think it has to do with attachment issues Alex.

I did not like the signing of Fabini. Made no bones about it. I think that is why I am so happy with Columbo. It's not that I dislike Fabini himself, just didn't think he was that good. I still don't.

But I won't sit here and say EJ Whitley couldn't do what McQuistan did and make Petitti expendable anyway if he hadn't got hurt. I can't say that. If some can, then they have a better crystal ball than I do.

I never once lamented the waiver of Rob. I do think his dad is a good guy and that there were things behind the scenes that we as posters have no clue about. So I asked, and I got an answer I didn't expect. I did not disilike Petitti the way some did because I thought he was a pretty good run blocker and could improve. Well, if he does, it's for someone else. Not on my stomach acid list at all.

I look at it this way, give me the best 53 that can be actually had every year and I'll take it. I think this is exactly what Parcells has planned for and far be it from me to grouse about it while I am this excited about the results.

Water under the bridge. I do know that some on both sides won't move on. Not a doubt in my mind. Attachment issues.
 

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Alexander;1213687 said:
It is doubly tough when honestly there are not a lot of options we could go with. Tackles, especially starting quality, aren't easy to obtain. Everyone needs one.

Who exactly could we have claimed off the street that could have done the job? I realize it has become a running joke, but where indeed were these players? I saw all kinds of names being thrown around here in panic when Adams got hurt. Chris Terry from Carolina, Toniu Fonoti was a popular choice. Where are these players now?

I distinctly remember Ross Verba, but he turned us completely off with his attitude. We also tried Ethan Brooks and he never could make it either. Colombo was a calculated risk for the future, but to use that as a further excuse why Petitti was somehow treated unfairly is simply reaching.

There is an obligation that the staff has to think for the future of the organization. That is what the pro personnel director and scouts are charged to examine. Colombo was that. There was not a single player on the market that could have rescued our situation and been better than Petitti, even an injured one, believe it or not. Colombo had virtually nothing to do with Petitti.

If you want to blame the staff, blame them for not making the move back in preseason when it became apparent that Jacob Rogers was not going to make it. There were more options then than there was after Adams' injury. That is where any gross miscalculation could have possibly occurred.

Again, suggesting Colombo had some sort of play in this is ridiculous.


I think he did have a "play" in it.

Or his PLAY - being far superior to that of Petitti - made it an easy decision for BP. It was a no-brainer. If he'd cut Columbo and kept Petitt, I would of questioned his sanity.

Petitti plain sucked. He may not always suck, but he sucked last year and this year in training camp. That's a fact.
 

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Alexander;1213687 said:
It is doubly tough when honestly there are not a lot of options we could go with. Tackles, especially starting quality, aren't easy to obtain. Everyone needs one.

Who exactly could we have claimed off the street that could have done the job? I realize it has become a running joke, but where indeed were these players? I saw all kinds of names being thrown around here in panic when Adams got hurt. Chris Terry from Carolina, Toniu Fonoti was a popular choice. Where are these players now?

I distinctly remember Ross Verba, but he turned us completely off with his attitude. We also tried Ethan Brooks and he never could make it either. Colombo was a calculated risk for the future, but to use that as a further excuse why Petitti was somehow treated unfairly is simply reaching.

There is an obligation that the staff has to think for the future of the organization. That is what the pro personnel director and scouts are charged to examine. Colombo was that. There was not a single player on the market that could have rescued our situation and been better than Petitti, even an injured one, believe it or not. Colombo had virtually nothing to do with Petitti.

If you want to blame the staff, blame them for not making the move back in preseason when it became apparent that Jacob Rogers was not going to make it. There were more options then than there was after Adams' injury. That is where any gross miscalculation could have possibly occurred.

Again, suggesting Colombo had some sort of play in this is ridiculous.
Yeah.

I'll blame the staff for having ever counted on Jacob Rogers to be the answer at RT. It was that offseason assessment heading into last season, that woefully mistaken assessment, that left the Cowboys caught with their pants down and forced to play a rookie who wasn't yet prepared.

The erroneous assessment of Rogers (on his draft day), the erroneous re-assessment of Rogers (spring and summer 2005), and the lack of a viable Plan B, cost the Cowboys mightily in 2005.

No wonder Parcells felt a need to keep Fabini this time around. He's the Plan B option that the Cowboys didn't have (and needed) in '05.
 

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ZeroClub;1213740 said:
Yeah.

I'll blame the staff for having ever counted on Jacob Rogers to be the answer at RT. It was that offseason assessment heading into last season, that woefully mistaken assessment, that left the Cowboys caught with their pants down and forced to play a rookie who wasn't yet prepared.

The erroneous assessment of Rogers (on his draft day), the erroneous re-assessment of Rogers (spring and summer 2005), and the lack of a viable Plan B, cost the Cowboys mightily in 2005.

No wonder Parcells felt a need to keep Fabini this time around. He's the Plan B option that the Cowboys didn't have (and needed) in '05.

The plan B option last year was tucker as the swing tackle. It looked good too until flo got hurt against the giants. Then Petitti got hurt against the lions. Then all hell broke loose on both sides.
 

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Look, we can questions a lot of things, but it is pretty much fact that 99% of the guys Parcells has released in the past are working at Dennys or in jail. This year, we finally had quality on our roster to trade and even release starters on other teams. The coach knows what he is doing. Could he have been more straight with Petitti, probably, but the coaches have the benefit of seeing the players in practice every day, not just game day, so if Rob were showing something to separate himself from the other tackles, I have to believe he would still be here. The facts are, Petitti was a hard worker who was limited physically and technically. He improved his strength, but couldn't translate it to the field.
 

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Paniolo22;1213758 said:
Look, we can questions a lot of things, but it is pretty much fact that 99% of the guys Parcells has released in the past are working at Dennys or in jail. This year, we finally had quality on our roster to trade and even release starters on other teams. The coach knows what he is doing. Could he have been more straight with Petitti, probably, but the coaches have the benefit of seeing the players in practice every day, not just game day, so if Rob were showing something to separate himself from the other tackles, I have to believe he would still be here. The facts are, Petitti was a hard worker who was limited physically and technically. He improved his strength, but couldn't translate it to the field.
Flo was coming back from injury. Columbo was coming on. We signed a FA (Fabini). We drafted 2 OTs (McQuistan & Whitley).

Clearly Parcells was unsettled at the position. The roster got churned. Won't be the last time.
 

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pittdawg;1212975 said:
thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.

I liked Petitti's play early on. I was of the "he's only going to get better crowd." I recall a number of posts here where people were pleased we'd get any production out of a late pick. Personally, I thought it was a stretch to rely on the oft-injured Colombo going into this season. I'm highly surprised he's developed the way he has.

It looks like, in the end, the move has benefitted everyone. It appears Rob's development is doing well in New Orleans and the Cowboys might have found their answer, too.

I agree with the assessment that Rob was put in an unfair situation. I think the flip side, though, isn't much better: Imagine him not playing and becoming nothing more than an afterthought a year or two in the league, with no footage showing what he can do. To have film of a rookie late-round pick starting (hurt, no less) 16 games is pretty impressive on a resume, I'd imagine.

Also, on Parcells, it seems to me that a number of players he releases walk away "bitter." I don't use that word in a negative connotation here in Rob's case; all I mean is it seems they feel they were lied to. Antonio Bryant is one of the rare cases I recall of a guy being cut in Dallas and crediting Bill for basically waking him up. I remember guys like Ekuban and Wiley being totally displeased with how they were handled. Didn't Ekuban basically insinuate he wanted to laugh in Parcells' face when they beat the 'Boys on Thanksgiving?

Parcells has a reptuation for being totally up front with his players. At the same time, it seems like he can burn bridges easily with some players/coaches that move on (his relationship with Belichick come to mind).

I don't have any knowledge of what went on behind the scenes. And it's a shame if Parcells said one thing and did another, or if he gave Rob any assurances that turned out to be false. With that said, I think most of us can relate to similar things happening in the work place. Never know what the future has in store, and assurances one day can become a mere afterthought the next.
 

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Hostile;1213762 said:
Flo was coming back from injury. Columbo was coming on. We signed a FA (Fabini). We drafted 2 OTs (McQuistan & Whitley).

Clearly Parcells was unsettled at the position. The roster got churned. Won't be the last time.

I still can't believe we might have found an answer at tackle.

No disrespect to Rob's late-round status, but starting that late of a pick from Day 1 was a reach to begin with. Usually later picks are drafted late, well, because they're raw and need development -- not because they're ready to start out of the box. Ideally, he'd have been handled like McQuistan -- given time to develop on the bench and unleashed later on. With that said, we all know life isn't fair and our lack of preparation and foresight at tackle left the team starting an untested Petitti all season.

Then we had the no-balls Rogers, the oft-injured Colombo and a dinosaur in Fabini. And heck, who knows, maybe McQuistan will develop on the left side.

How we might have come out on top in this, I do not know.
 

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theebs;1213749 said:
The plan B option last year was tucker as the swing tackle. It looked good too until flo got hurt against the giants. Then Petitti got hurt against the lions. Then all hell broke loose on both sides.
Well, I guess my belief is that Petitti should have been the developmental guy last year (i.e., in McQuistan's current role), but due to the mistaken evaluation of Jacob Rogers, Petitti was pressed into service much too early (Day 1). And then, like you said, things went from bad to worse, to still worse.

Isn't it nice how much brighter the OL situation appears this season? This turnabout is absolutely refreshing.
 

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pittdawg;1212975 said:
thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.

Heya Pittdawg.
I've got a couple questions that you might be able to answer. Could it have been that the coaching staff were just faced with a time constraint in Robs developement? It just seems the coaches know he can play, he just needs some time and NO was a good place for him to do that with Payton and all. Do you think Parcells would of found Rob a home somewhere within the NFL
if Payton didn't snatch him up?

I won't apologize for things not working out because I know they will. Sadly, for me anyways, just not in Dallas. Rob seems to be a good guy, I hope for nothing but good luck and a great, healthy career for you both. I'll be watching him.

Now, let's talk about this pesky little "infatuation" you've got with the Giants......................
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This is a good thread...

I want to say one more thing (okay, probably not), and that's that blaming the ankle injury last year for Rob's release this year is totally unjustified. Parcells mentioned last year that Rob was tough, so he knew the player was dinged up and playing through it. If anything, that gained him points with Parcells.

But that was last year. This year in camp, Rob was totally healthy and had an offseason that saw him gain a lot of strength and lose a lot of fat. So he was more prepared to play well than he ever had been. Problem is, he didn't. I remember in camp, Parcells mentioned several times that Petitti had to take that offseason weight work to the field... But he never did. It's just that simple.

Like I and others have said, I think it shook out like this: Colombo played the best and was the toughest, so he earned the starting job. Parcells wasn't going to go exclusively with young players as backups after it cost him in 2005, so Fabini was in. McQuistan showed much more talent as a developmental player than Petitti did, so he was in. Tackle positions filled, over and out.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1214004 said:
This is a good thread...

I want to say one more thing (okay, probably not), and that's that blaming the ankle injury last year for Rob's release this year is totally unjustified. Parcells mentioned last year that Rob was tough, so he knew the player was dinged up and playing through it. If anything, that gained him points with Parcells.

But that was last year. This year in camp, Rob was totally healthy and had an offseason that saw him gain a lot of strength and lose a lot of fat. So he was more prepared to play well than he ever had been. Problem is, he didn't. I remember in camp, Parcells mentioned several times that Petitti had to take that offseason weight work to the field... But he never did. It's just that simple.

Like I and others have said, I think it shook out like this: Colombo played the best and was the toughest, so he earned the starting job. Parcells wasn't going to go exclusively with young players as backups after it cost him in 2005, so Fabini was in. McQuistan showed much more talent as a developmental player than Petitti did, so he was in. Tackle positions filled, over and out.

That sums it up really well. Good post. :D
 

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pittdawg;1212975 said:
thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.


Wow! Too bad he wasn't putting up those numbers on the d-line. He would have been leading our team in sacks by far.
 

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To add, I don't think pittdawg will find many people arguing his claim that the Cowboys hadn't done a good job prior to this year of putting together an offensive line, especially at tackle.

Parcells whiffed on every high pick and the free-agent signings weren't all that good.

Even with the improved play this year, you wonder how much of it is Romo making them look better than they really are. I suspect you'll still see some movement made along the line this offseason.
 

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zrinkill;1213309 said:
The way him and his son have been disrespected on this thread by trolls like you ..... he should have said worse.

Now shutup before he tells Rob to turn you into that pancake that sits on that rabbits head.


Nobody said anything until he came in here and called out the Cowboys coaches.

Bob Dole hopes one of the Saints' offensive tackles is out this week (not a serious injury or anything, just a one week illness) so Pittdawg Jr. can start and show us that BRAND NEW TECHNIQUE hes been working on that he never learned in Dallas. Riiight.. dude's a lifetime benchwarmer.

D-Ware would WEAR HIM OUT so bad it wouldnt even be funny.
 

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What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.
 

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Bob Dole;1214374 said:
Nobody said anything until he came in here and called out the Cowboys coaches.

Bob Dole hopes one of the Saints' offensive tackles is out this week (not a serious injury or anything, just a one week illness) so Pittdawg Jr. can start and show us that BRAND NEW TECHNIQUE hes been working on that he never learned in Dallas. Riiight.. dude's a lifetime benchwarmer.

D-Ware would WEAR HIM OUT so bad it wouldnt even be funny.

Bull ..... You and the other internet tough guy trolls have been jerks toward him since Rob was released.

I see you forgot once again to do your gimmick ...... silly kid.
 
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