Where is that magical Wade Phillips D?

[03EBZ06]

Kitna completed 61 percent of his passes, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and had an 81.7 passer rating.

Coming into the game, he was completing 66.3 percent of his passes, averaging 7.6 yards per attempt and had an 89.0 rating.

He had an OK game, but it was below-average for him in almost every statistic, even without a lot of pressure.

Good points, I'd like to add that Kitna's passing yard per game was 263 and he had 248 yards today, slightly below his average.

 

[STSINAZ]

when edwards, rodgers, kitna, campbell and eli can move it downfield on us we are in trouble...so we are in trouble...when we play garcia or hasselback, or farve again it could get ugly.

 

[theebs]

when edwards, rodgers, kitna, campbell and eli can move it downfield on us we are in trouble...so we are in trouble...when we play garcia or hasselback, or farve again it could get ugly.

good grief.

I cant believe so many are going crazy over one game. Its one game.

 

[Crown Royal]

I'm not reading all this thread, I just popped in to say that other than a little more pleasure (by virtue of the return of Greg Ellis), this defense doesn't look remarkably better than it did under Parcells/Zimmer. WE play a little more deep zone and stunt more, but otherwise same old same old.

I think that they can play well enough sometimes, but it's just a matter of who we have on the team.

 

[George]

Kitna completed 61 percent of his passes, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and had an 81.7 passer rating.

Coming into the game, he was completing 66.3 percent of his passes, averaging 7.6 yards per attempt and had an 89.0 rating.

He had an OK game, but it was below-average for him in almost every statistic, even without a lot of pressure.

Well he moved the ball pretty well without any ints... that's pretty good in my book regardless if he didn't reach his stat potential.

 

[Big Dakota]

when edwards, rodgers, kitna, campbell and eli can move it downfield on us we are in trouble...so we are in trouble...when we play garcia or hasselback, or farve again it could get ugly.

Hate to go to battle with you.

 

[khiladi]

Kitna completed 61 percent of his passes, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and had an 81.7 passer rating.

Coming into the game, he was completing 66.3 percent of his passes, averaging 7.6 yards per attempt and had an 89.0 rating.

He had an OK game, but it was below-average for him in almost every statistic, even without a lot of pressure.

How so? He didn't throw any picks either. The Detroit Lions also had a huge TOP advantage in the beginning going into half-time, meaning they were sustaining drives.

 

[theogt]

Kitna completed 61 percent of his passes, averaged 6.9 yards per attempt and had an 81.7 passer rating.

Coming into the game, he was completing 66.3 percent of his passes, averaging 7.6 yards per attempt and had an 89.0 rating.

He had an OK game, but it was below-average for him in almost every statistic, even without a lot of pressure.

That should end the thread right there. And this was without our front seven getting much pressure at all. I'd have to say the secondary stepped up today.

 

[03EBZ06]

How so? He didn't throw any picks either. The Detroit Lions also had a huge TOP advantage in the beginning going into half-time, meaning they were sustaining drives.

Did we lose this game?

 

[khiladi]

Did we lose this game?

The point is, if your going to give statistics to present that Dallas did a good job in pass defense, than you have to look at the complete picture. His last drive actually dropped his numbers down significantly, because he mis-connetced on 3 passes, dropping his percentage down. And credit the Dallas special teams for putting the Lions in horrible field position, where they had to throw far up field and couldn't go over the middle. He also overthrew a wide-open receiver for a TD that he should have had. That wasn't the pass defense, it was a poor throw by Kitna.

Kitna has 13 picks on the year, and Detroit has played 13 games I believe. Dallas rarely even pressured Kitna, and Kitna wasn't forced into making mistakes that is a common trait of his. Detroit also ran the ball a lot more this game.

Seriously, even Greg Ellis had to call a players meeting, because he recognized they were playing like garbage.

 

[George]

How so? He didn't throw any picks either. The Detroit Lions also had a huge TOP advantage in the beginning going into half-time, meaning they were sustaining drives.

That's why passer ratings can be misleading. One TD would have given Kitna and 89 passer rating. Some of his throws were wasted from pressure and good coverage. He did move the ball well, we almost lost. Kitna kept our defense offbeat.

 

[theogt]

The point is, if your going to give statistics to present that Dallas did a good job in pass defense, than you have to look at the complete picture. His last drive actually dropped his numbers down significantly. It was the last drive where Kitna basically didn't connect 3 times, which dropped his completed percentage down, and he also overthrew a wide-open receiver for a TD that he should have had.

Kitna has 13 picks on the year, and Detroit has played 13 games I believe. Dallas rarely even pressured Kitna, and Kitna wasn't forced into making mistakes that is a common trait of his. Detroit also ran the ball a lot more this game.

Did I miss where those last 2 drives didn't count? I sure thought they were trying to score more points, but maybe not.

 

[khiladi]

Did I miss where those last 2 drives didn't count? I sure thought they were trying to score more points, but maybe not.

Wow... the Dallas defense came to play for two drives against Kitna.. one drive, the Lions operated on their own goal line, the next, deep in their own territory with like 20 seconds left to score... impressive...

but you know, the Dallas defense held Kitna to less than his season average... it's good that Witten fumbled on that drive...

 

[AdamJT13]

Kitna has 13 picks on the year, and Detroit has played 13 games I believe. Dallas rarely even pressured Kitna, and Kitna wasn't forced into making mistakes that is a common trait of his.

Kitna's interception percentage going into the game was 2.9 percent -- lower than those for Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer and Drew Brees. There's a bunch of mistake-prone scrubs, for sure.

We probably should have gotten an interception, but you can't get one EVERY game. And we are third in the NFL in interceptions, you know.

Seriously, even Greg Ellis had to call a players meeting, because he recognized they were playing like garbage.

And he wasn't meeting with the secondary, now was he?

 

[theogt]

Wow... the Dallas defense came to play for two drives against Kitna.. one drive, the Lions operated on their own goal line, the next, deep in their own territory with like 20 seconds left to score... impressive...

but you know, the Dallas defense held Kitna to less than his season average... it's good that Witten fumbled on that drive...

Uhh...did you misread something?

 

[khiladi]

Kitna's interception percentage going into the game was 2.9 percent -- lower than those for Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer and Drew Brees. There's a bunch of mistake-prone scrubs, for sure.

And when those guys throw interceptions, it's usually in one or two games. Please spare me the statistical comparisons with the likes of these QBs. Peyton Manning threw six interceptions in one game, and Romo threw what, five against Buffalo. For Kitna, it's a norm to throw interceptions consistently and in tight situations. They haven't one many games by big scoring margins.

We probably should have gotten an interception, but you can't get one EVERY game. And we are third in the NFL in interceptions, you know.

We weren't anywhere near an interception or forcing a turnover, so spare me.. yeah, Dallas is third in the league in turnovers, but their performance this game has absolutely nothing to do with their performance the last twelve games, where they did force turnovers... I'm not the one trying to give the statistical impression that our defense played well...

And he wasn't meeting with the secondary, now was he?

And I don't seem to recall that pass defense only includes the secondary. When did I blame just the secondary? Your the one presenting the picture that, to borrow your words, "pass defense" was playing well, when in fact, you had Greg Ellis calling a huddle on the sideline trying to get them to play ball...

 

[03EBZ06]

The point is, if your going to give statistics to present that Dallas did a good job in pass defense, than you have to look at the complete picture. His last drive actually dropped his numbers down significantly, because he mis-connetced on 3 passes, dropping his percentage down. And credit the Dallas special teams for putting the Lions in horrible field position, where they had to throw far up field and couldn't go over the middle. He also overthrew a wide-open receiver for a TD that he should have had. That wasn't the pass defense, it was a poor throw by Kitna.

Kitna has 13 picks on the year, and Detroit has played 13 games I believe. Dallas rarely even pressured Kitna, and Kitna wasn't forced into making mistakes that is a common trait of his. Detroit also ran the ball a lot more this game.

Seriously, even Greg Ellis had to call a players meeting, because he recognized they were playing like garbage.

The bottom line is defense made necessary stops for offense to win the game and that is exactly what happened and we are 12-1 because of three components did their job at some point. I am not saying we have perfect team and all three components can improve but the fact is we have a good team, better than good, imo.

 

[khiladi]

The bottom line is defense made necessary stops for offense to win the game and that is exactly what happened and we are 12-1 because of three components did their job at some point.

No, the bottom line is our offense bailed us out, and our special teams bailed us out on the last play, putting Detroit in horrible field position, where they had only 20 or so seconds to move the ball in field goal range. Hell, even the second to last drive, it was because Witten fumbled at the goal line that put Detroit in poor field position...

I'm just commenting on the mistaken notion that the statistics confirmed we played well on defense... this isn't about past games, or about Roy Williams.. our defense stank last night, and that is the fact of the matter.. hell, even our offense finally starting to gain the TOP in the second half, which kept the defense off the field a lot longer than in the first...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see that alot of people still fail to grasp the concept that is our defense

 

[Crown Royal]

I see that alot of people still fail to grasp the concept that is our defense

I like to keep it simple. I can't think of any defense that is designed to give up points. Is this like a Wade Phillips special strategy?