Where our players fit in the Tampa 2

[Risen Star]

I'm shocked to hear that weight. With the eye ball test, he didn't look more than 275 lbs.

Wilber was with him and he needs to put 10 lbs of mass this offseason.

Well, granted those team measurables aren't always reliable. I do think he has the frame to carry plenty of weight to be a legit strong side DE in our new scheme. I don't think he's undersized at all for it. I was assuming he'd actually have to lose a little weight maybe to play on the edge.

 

[rojan]

Yeah but were those colts defense really that impressive?

That had more to do with the LBers crop and Bob always being injured then it did with the DE's, IMO.

 

[Risen Star]

IMO Crawford is going to be starting in 2013. Guy has the perfect size and skill set to be the type of strong side DE for Kiffins defense. I think Dallas has to start him in 2013 and see if he is an answer along the DL. Sign a vet FA to a one yr deal and let him push Crawford and have him as insurance. If Crawford isnt then you go into 2014 with that as ur top priority.

Ratliff and Hatcher will be starting in 2013. Unless Ratliff is released which now i dont really see that happening. Im sure Dallas will draft a DT but IMO one isnt needed in the top of the draft. a 3rd or 4th round pick will suffice for this yr.

Safety IMO is the biggest need after OL. 1st round OL and then in round 2 it should be safety.

LBer and Cornerback are locked up and i have no worries.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wilber starts either. This new scheme is better for him, IMO.

 

[jblaze2004]

The size of his De's at usc should give us a idea of the size of de's he like. But then again you have to go by talent

 

[CATCH17]

The size of his De's at usc should give us a idea of the size of de's he like. But then again you have to go by talent

I think we have to stay big on defense. At least in the front 7.

I don't think an undersized cover 2 defense stands a chance at stopping San Fran or even Washington.

We just need to run it like Seattle is doing.

 

[honyock]

The size of his De's at usc should give us a idea of the size of de's he like. But then again you have to go by talent

So I'm assuming you mean Wilber starting at SLB? I didn't have much of an impression of him this year, but does he have the coverage skills for a LB in Kiffin's defense?

If he and Crawford could be solid starters at those two positions, that'd be a huge bonus.

 

[jblaze2004]

I think we have to stay big on defense. At least in the front 7.

I don't think an undersized cover 2 defense stands a chance at stopping San Fran or even Washington.

We just need to run it like Seattle is doing.

I could see this. But then who woud be the big oversize De?hatcher? There strong side DE is@320lbs

 

[CATCH17]

I could see this. But then who woud be the big oversize De?hatcher? There strong side DE is@320lbs

We just need someone that looks about like Greg Ellis.

Okafor from Texas seems like a good fit.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I just think Crawford has more of a DE body than DT. I think he may be pretty good out on the edge getting to the QB.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with him. Maybe they resign Spencer and do play him at DT.

Yeah its really up in the air with him, he might be able to play either spot. Also, I'm not saying he can't be good out on the edge, its just an ability that he has to show to the staff that he can do it on at this level cause this ain't Boise St. anymore.

I certainly hope he has it, and if he does, I figure Spencer is definitely gone.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

So I'm assuming you mean Wilber starting at SLB? I didn't have much of an impression of him this year, but does he have the coverage skills for a LB in Kiffin's defense?

If he and Crawford could be solid starters at those two positions, that'd be a huge bonus.

Yeah, the biggest winners in the new scheme might be Crawford and Wilber....very good coming out of this last draft to get two guys that fit so well.

Coverage is actually Wilber's best attribute, pass rushing was where he struggled which made him a bad fit in the 3-4. In the 4-3 at SLB, it should really fit his skill set well.....hopefully he steps up gives and Albright a run for his money.

I will say, I'm much more comfortable with Albright/Wilber starting over Coleman/Spears.....and it shouldn't be close for anyone and makes this scheme change actually make sense....now if we can actually get the safeties to run it effectively....

 

[Vinnie2u]

Would Jason Babin fit in as a DE? I don't know if he's a free agent but the eagles cut him. And someone else picked him up.

 

[WhizKid]

Is it possible Dallas looks to Spencer as SLB, With Lee at MLB, and Carter as WLB?

 

[CATCH17]

Is it possible Dallas looks to Spencer as SLB, With Lee at MLB, and Carter as WLB?

No.. He'll make a lot more money as a DE / 3-4 OLB.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If the Cowboys can find a free safety and three technique tackle this offseason, they will field top ten defense next season, even if they lose Spencer.

 

[WhizKid]

No.. He'll make a lot more money as a DE / 3-4 OLB.

True. Is it possible Spencer may be willing to take the pay cut so he can stay with his teammates? But more importantly, do you think his skills suit the position well? I think they do, but it's true, money is calling. It would be interesting becauuse they could probably move him from that position at times and rotate him with Ware.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If the Cowboys can find a free safety and three technique tackle this offseason, they will field top ten defense next season, even if they lose Spencer.

I agree on safety, and if we lose Spencer, Crawford could decide that. Kinda weird that the kid just drafted would determine so much, but if he is a 3 tech then our need there decreases with Hatch and Crawford. Now if Crawford can play DE and become an edge rusher, then our needs on the DL are still there but decrease slightly in the short term while still needing upgrades for the long term health of the position.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If we don't keep Spencer then I would like to see Hatcher at the LDE and Ratliff at the 3. Then either sign a FA 1 or draft one really high. There is good DT depth in this draft especially at the top.

1. DT
2. OG/C
3. S
4. RB
5-7 absolute BPA outside of a kicker.

 

[xwalker]

What about from 2001-2007 when Kiffin had Greg Spires (6-1 265 lbs) and Simeon Rice (6-5 268 lbs) as his DE's

Or all the years that the Colts had Mathis (6-2 245lbs) and Frenney (6-1 268) as DE's

Strong Side
Spires 6-1, 265
Freeney 6-1, 268
Spencer 6-3, 250

Spencer is a strong run player and might be OK as an undersized player at the position; however, he is going to be very expensive.

Spencer's best fit would be on the Weak Side but that's where Ware will play.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If we don't keep Spencer then I would like to see Hatcher at the LDE and Ratliff at the 3. Then either sign a FA 1 or draft one really high. There is good DT depth in this draft especially at the top.

1. DT
2. OG/C
3. S
4. RB
5-7 absolute BPA outside of a kicker.

I worry about Hatch out on the edge, its alot different than him rushing with Ware beside him, he will be out there all by himself at LDE. Even in the nickel he moved inside, and I just don't see the edge quickness, bend, and speed out of Hatch.

I would like to see us try everyone out there if we lose Spencer, heck we wouldn't have anyone for the position. Just don't know if Hatch can get that done especially at 305 pounds.

 

[xwalker]

2012 Bear's, 2012 Seahawk's and 2008 Buc's Front-7 players.

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