Where our players fit in the Tampa 2

[Zordon]

thank you for that chart xwalker. you are an invaluable member of this forum.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Strong Side
Spires 6-1, 265
Freeney 6-1, 268
Spencer 6-3, 250

Spencer is a strong run player and might be OK as an undersized player at the position; however, he is going to be very expensive.

Spencer's best fit would be on the Weak Side but that's where Ware will play.

fwiw, he's 257 and could easily play at 260 without it negatively effecting him

 

[honyock]

Yeah, the biggest winners in the new scheme might be Crawford and Wilber....very good coming out of this last draft to get two guys that fit so well.

Coverage is actually Wilber's best attribute, pass rushing was where he struggled which made him a bad fit in the 3-4. In the 4-3 at SLB, it should really fit his skill set well.....hopefully he steps up gives and Albright a run for his money.

I will say, I'm much more comfortable with Albright/Wilber starting over Coleman/Spears.....and it shouldn't be close for anyone and makes this scheme change actually make sense....now if we can actually get the safeties to run it effectively....

Yeah, I'm expecting a safety addition in either FA or the draft. If both Crawford and Wilber fit, that would make the 2012 draft look awfully good. And (I'm talking with 100% pure hope right now) if Johnson somehow works at safety, it'd be a VERY good draft. Right now I'm looking at Johnson as a lottery ticket - great if he hits, but don't bet the rent money on him.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yeah, I'm expecting a safety addition in either FA or the draft. If both Crawford and Wilber fit, that would make the 2012 draft look awfully good. And (I'm talking with 100% pure hope right now) if Johnson somehow works at safety, it'd be a VERY good draft. Right now I'm looking at Johnson as a lottery ticket - great if he hits, but don't bet the rent money on him.

This team has had alot of success in finding DL later in the draft, and I expect the same from Crawford. Didn't really think much about Wilber til the scheme change cause of his lack of pass rushing skills, but now he can do what he does best with the new scheme.

Who knows what we have with Matt, I'm not a gambling man so I'm not risking any rent money but a $2 lotto ticket and I'm down....

 

[funkytown]

fwiw, he's 257 and could easily play at 260 without it negatively effecting him

I agree. Spencer is heavier than 250. He's 260, and strong as an ox.

 

[Crown Royal]

Just as I said with Church, Sensabaugh should be a synergistic player behind Carr. Carr doesn't have quite the deep speed that Claiborne does, so he deserves the benefit of the faster of our two safeties. Believe it or not, Sensabaugh is a 4.4-speed player, and plays the ball well when he doesn't have to turn around and run after it. In this scheme, he should be comfortably sitting back in his deep half zone, sprinting straight ahead at balls thrown against Carr and Albright. His biggest weakness was turning and running with receivers, so eliminating that from his game should be a great boost.

This is where I disagree with the article. Sensabaugh is a dreadful zone safety.

 

[xwalker]

This is where I disagree with the article. Sensabaugh is a dreadful zone safety.

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Just as I said with Church, Sensabaugh should be a synergistic player behind Carr. Carr doesn't have quite the deep speed that Claiborne does, so he deserves the benefit of the faster of our two safeties. Believe it or not, Sensabaugh is a 4.4-speed player, and plays the ball well when he doesn't have to turn around and run after it. In this scheme, he should be comfortably sitting back in his deep half zone, sprinting straight ahead at balls thrown against Carr and Albright. His biggest weakness was turning and running with receivers, so eliminating that from his game should be a great boost.

That is the exact opposite of Sensabaugh, IMO.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If Spencer leaves, who do we have that can rush the passer aside from Ware? Most good 4-3s have an elite weakside DE and a very good backup. When the Colts were in their prime, Mathis backed up Freeney at WDE. The Seahawks have a 1st round pick Irvin backing up Clemons. The Bears have 1st round McCleclin backing up Peppers. Etc, etc, etc. We'd only have one pure pass rushing DE if Spencer left. The Giants have 3. Most 4-3s have 2.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If Spencer leaves, who do we have that can rush the passer aside from Ware? Most good 4-3s have an elite weakside DE and a very good backup. When the Colts were in their prime, Mathis backed up Freeney at WDE. The Seahawks have a 1st round pick Irvin backing up Clemons. The Bears have 1st round McCleclin backing up Peppers. Etc, etc, etc. We'd only have one pure pass rushing DE if Spencer left. The Giants have 3. Most 4-3s have 2.

If we are serious about running the 4-3, we have to draft a DE pretty high regardless of Spencer.

Problem is, at this point we just have so many needs that we can't meet them all.

 

[morasp]

This team has had alot of success in finding DL later in the draft, and I expect the same from Crawford. Didn't really think much about Wilber til the scheme change cause of his lack of pass rushing skills, but now he can do what he does best with the new scheme.

Who knows what we have with Matt, I'm not a gambling man so I'm not risking any rent money but a $2 lotto ticket and I'm down....

Another article said they were scouting Monte Kiffin during the USC games to see what his energy level was. It makes me wonder how long they've been thinking about a new DC.

 

[theebs]

the best I have ever seen sensebaugh play was under pasqualoni in 2010.

he was in zone all the time, paul p killed the man to man blitzing of wade when he took over and put our team in more simplistic zones....

it produced turnovers and sensebaugh was very good down the stretch.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Another article said they were scouting Monte Kiffin during the USC games to see what his energy level was. It makes me wonder how long they've been thinking about a new DC.

That's an interesting point, cause our interest in Wagner in the second and the later pick of Wilber could indicate that the team wasn't exactly sold on the 3-4 and Ryan to start the season.

Of course there is no proof of that, but it would make sense and any scouting of Kiffin puts some pieces together in that puzzle.

 

[wileedog]

Another article said they were scouting Monte Kiffin during the USC games to see what his energy level was. It makes me wonder how long they've been thinking about a new DC.

That doesn't make sense though, how did they know he was going to leave USC?