Where Would We Have Been W/O Jerry The Past 25 Yrs?

peplaw06

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Let's say Dallas won in 1992, 2000 and 2009 instead of 92,93 and 95. Would the Jerry haters even exist in Dallas?
If that had been the case, then at least Jerry would have the lion's share of credit for two maybe three super bowl wins. He would have proven that they could rebuild and win it all. As it is, the Cowboys had a coach in the 90s who arguably controlled personnel decisions, and since the players he put in place have left, the team has had no ultimate success. So it's understandable how some Jerry haters would exist under the current scenario no?

For me, the 3 Lombardis bought the team a 10 year grace period. No whining allowed. The post Parcells-Romo era has definitely been filled with heartbreak, but it's not like they haven't been competitive and fun to watch. I don't really value playoff victories as highly as others do. If they aren't going to win it all, I don't find a lot of joy in saying at least we won a Divisional or Wild Card game. Obviously it's better to win those games than to lose them, but if they aren't going to the Super Bowl does it really matter to a team like Dallas that has 5 titles.
Playoff wins matter because at least fans can fool themselves into thinking this team is a contender and is building toward something. Right now, that's just about impossible for anyone who is objective.
 

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Actually, the plan was to bring in Jimmy as head coach but Schram couldn't bring himself to fire Landry and Landry wouldn't retire after saying he was going to.

IIRC, one of the negotiating issues for the sell of the team to Jones was he was going to fire Landry. Bum Bright didn't like him for some reason

Bum Bright didn't like Tom because he wouldn't give him the time of day & he felt disrespected. You know how those rich old coots are. BOW BEFORE THE KING.
Coach Landry was just a quiet introspective man. Tom & Jerry didn't like each other either. Can you imagine 2 men more different so that's no great shock.
 

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If that had been the case, then at least Jerry would have the lion's share of credit for two maybe three super bowl wins. He would have proven that they could rebuild and win it all. As it is, the Cowboys had a coach in the 90s who arguably controlled personnel decisions, and since the players he put in place have left, the team has had no ultimate success. So it's understandable how some Jerry haters would exist under the current scenario no?

Yeah, that was pretty pointless. Hey, what if the Cowboys would have won while Jerry was an active GM? Would the haters go away?

Yes. You got us there. I am sickly burned.
 

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Gotta love people living 20 years in the past and trying to give our moronic owner credit for Jimmy's work.

Even the morons who support Jerry still know it was all Jimmy.........Actually if you think about it Jimmy Johnson may have been the greatest head coach of all-time. I mean think about it, did Vince Lombardi ever have to overcome Jerry Jones.
 

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To answer the OP's question. Without Jerry there is no Jimmy. Together they built the NFL's last true dynasty. Working together they were unstoppable and in return the league slaps FA and the cap on us or we'd have more Lombardis.

Their two ego's were too big to go side by side and in the end the fans lost out. I hate the fact that they both built and tore down what was a franchise for others to envy.

Today we are still waiting for the glory days to return. The problem is Jerry doesn't have those resources he did when he first took charge. Our franchise is no longer innovative as it once was. The last few drafts have given some hope and we need a few more to be on track to sustain a long tenure of success.

Without Jerry, we have no Jimmy and without Jimmy, we have 2 Lombardis.
 

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I was perusing the online archives of the Dallas Public Library this morning and found this article that is funny (or sad) to reflect on

(I'm posting the entire article because it can't be linked since its part of the digital archive I accessed via the Dallas Public Library):

IN FUTURE HUDDLE, COWBOYS' OWNER WILL CALL ALL PLAYS
The Dallas Morning News - Sunday, February 26, 1989
Readability: 6-7 grade level (Lexile: 960L)
Author: Bernie Miklasz: The Dallas Morning News (DAL)

For 29 years, the Cowboys have been a model of stability, with a consistent and well-defined power structure.

Their two previous owners, Clint Murchison and H.R. "Bum' Bright, were content to remain out of view, out of earshot, silent money men who permitted Cowboys president Tex Schramm, coach Tom Landry and personnel director Gil Brandt to run the three critical phases of the operation.

Enter Jerry Jones, who Saturday became the unofficial new owner of the Cowboys. "This is going to be my life," he said. Jones gave every indication that he will be a much different kind of Cowboys owner: agressive, opinionated, involved and in the limelight.

"He's going to be the most enthusiastic owner the Cowboys have ever had,' said Bright, after announcing his deal with Jones.

Jones' first declaration: The Cowboys, who were 3-13 last season, will be winners in 1989.

"There is no substitute for winning,' Jones said, with considerable gusto. "We must win, we will win. Winning is the name of the game . . . We're going to win this year.'

Said Cowboys offensive line coach Jim Erkenbeck, after listening to Jones' initial news conference on the radio: "The guy has a lot of energy. He's the kind of guy a coach would want on a kickoff coverage team.'

Jones, 46, and a native of Little Rock, Ark., will take control of the team after documents are signed and the sale is approved by the NFL.

And Jones will, indeed, take control. For the first time in team history, the Cowboys seemed destined to be operated with a firm hand by the man who owns them. In the past, Murchison and Bright never even had an office at the Cowboys' headquarters. Jones plans to move into one immediately.

"My entire office and my entire business will be at this complex,' Jones said. "I intend to know and have an understanding of the complete situation. An understanding of the player situation, the jocks and socks, the TV (contract).

"There's no way in the world that with my enthusiasm and love for what I'm getting ready to do, and the kind of price I'm paying, that I can look in the mirror if I don't plan to be a part of everything. I want to understand that everyone associated with it is giving it everything that they can do.'

Jones made his management style perfectly clear with his bold, initial move: firing Landry, who certainly is destined for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Jones expressed regret at having to fire Landry to hire University of Miami coach Jimmy Johnson -- his college roomate at Arkansas -- but isn't concerned with a public backlash.

"I've always been open and honest, and I've always said if I'm going into pro football, Jimmy is coming with me,' Jones said.

For 29 years, Schramm has called every shot in the Cowboys' front office. He has been the ultimate front man, eternally hawking the Cowboys and NFL football.

Jones indicated that Schramm, the front man, may have to step back.

"He's standing a little behind tonight,' Jones said in an insensitive remark, pointing over his shoulder to Schramm. For starters, Jones said that from now on, he -- and not Schramm -- will be casting the Cowboys' votes at NFL meetings.

For the past 29 years, Landry has made all the football decisions: cuts, trades, playing time. Jones indicated that those days are over, too. He said he will work closely with Johnson, his friend of 25 years. Jones was a guard on the 1964 Arkansas national championship team that featured Johnson as a defensive tackle.

Jones, unlike Murchison or Bright, has played football extensively and is confident in his knowledge of the game. Jones, who expressed a strong, favorable opinion on UCLA quarterback Troy Aikman on Saturday, made it clear that he also will be having a voice in Dallas' draft-day decisions.

"I'll be a part of every decision,' Jones said. "I won't leave anything to the football people. Certainly, Jimmy Johnson is the football expert on this team. Tex has an enormous background (in the front office). I'm not saying I'm coming into being the football coach. But we're a team. I want to understand everything about the Cowboys.'

On his first night on the job, Jones made the Cowboys understand one thing: he's the boss.
Caption: PHOTO; Jerry Jones' family listens at the first news conference held by the Cowboys' new owner. From left to right: Jones' wife, Gene; daughter Charlotte; and sons Jerry Jr. and Steven (DMN; Richard Michael Pruitt) LOCATION: Jones, Jerral W. "Jerry"

Maybe still the saddest day in Cowboys history - when Jerrah bought the team.
 

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Even the morons who support Jerry still know it was all Jimmy.........Actually if you think about it Jimmy Johnson may have been the greatest head coach of all-time. I mean think about it, did Vince Lombardi ever have to overcome Jerry Jones.

did other fans have to overcome such rantings of hate?

it was not all any one thing. if it was ONE person then jimmy would have won in miami.

it's a collective effort *morons* try to single out to a modular solution.
 

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Exposed? Jimmy Johnson won the national championship in Miami before he came to Dallas. His leftovers at Miami won two more college national championships after he left, and almost a third (but lost to Alabama in the title game). Likewise his leftovers won a third Super Bowl, and nearly had a fourth.

I don't understand why so many people just dismiss Johnson's pre-Cowboys accomplishments, and just point to the Dolphins as if that is proof the guy was a fraud. Jimmy Johnson is a top 10 coach in my lifetime. He is peer to the likes of Shula, Landry, Knoll, Walsh, and Belichick. His only flaw is the burnout factor. Lest we all forget that he was the first coach in football history to win both a college national championship and a Super Bowl. The second guy to accomplish that feat was Switzer who got his Super Bowl with Jimmy's leftovers.

You are validating my point that it's the players and not the coach. Miami won before Johnson and they kept winning after Johnson. They had they best athletes in the country. And Dallas went to the NFC Championship and won the Super Bowl with Switzer(who was also a very, very successful college coach) but he gets zero credit because of the Triplets. I doesn't make any sense. I personally think Johnson is very over-rated and he never put it on the line after the Dolphins. You can hero worship all you want, I choose not to. To put Johnson in the group you quoted is laughable to me.
 

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You are validating my point that it's the players and not the coach. Miami won before Johnson and they kept winning after Johnson. They had they best athletes in the country. And Dallas went to the NFC Championship and won the Super Bowl with Switzer(who was also a very, very successful college coach) but he gets zero credit because of the Triplets. I doesn't make any sense. I personally think Johnson is very over-rated and he never put it on the line after the Dolphins. You can hero worship all you want, I choose not to. To put Johnson in the group you quoted is laughable to me.

johnson, after leaving dallas, said shula should win it all. it's as if johnson wanted to retire in miami.

so he set the seeds, and people sucked it up. made him coach, and he couldn't take a team he said should win it, to the goal.

revisionist history sucks.
 

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you can't hold a singular view then excuse singular failure.

unless you have an agenda.
 

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johnson, after leaving dallas, said shula should win it all. it's as if johnson wanted to retire in miami.

so he set the seeds, and people sucked it up. made him coach, and he couldn't take a team he said should win it, to the goal.

revisionist history sucks.

So how does any of that make Johnson a legend? He failed to reach the lofty goals he set and then walked away forever. If he stayed in Dallas and won four or five Super Bowls, then yes he would be a HOFer.
 

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There was a very strong Football Culture in Dallas with Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson which has deteriorated and soured to one of the worst or weak almost non-existent Football Cultures ever especially outside the AFL.
 

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So how does any of that make Johnson a legend? He failed to reach the lofty goals he set and then walked away forever. If he stayed in Dallas and won four or five Super Bowls, then yes he would be a HOFer.

oh, i was agreeing with you and arguing against "it was all jimmy".
 

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Jimmy has forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know.

and where do u rank amongst both of them?


Jerry: captain of Arkansas National Champion Football

Jimmy: on same line, not a team captain
 
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