Where's this team at with this roster?

charron said:
You are probably correct at this point what else can you do. I think the right side has some good options, now the left side is a big ?.
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I'm sorry dude but position flex is normal has been for decades and longer than that literally a guy even the manster came into the league at one position play mostly special teams the first couple years, got moved turned out to be a Hall of Famer.. happens on our lines, Larry Allen, hell tyler Smith brought in to be the left guard they used him at left tackle his rookie year, then moved him back he was pretty good at both... But for sure he's a better left guard that's where he'll stay but it's good to know he can play both positions but he'll probably be an all pro at this one that's why you don't move him back unless it's an emergency..

Happens all over the NFL on many teams, there are guys out there that were really good at being a small linebacker /weak side/ OLB, and we're really good at it but they knew in the NFL probably a little undersized turned him into a safety... I mean guys like Darren Woodson same thing there was a hybrid they move people around from safety to corner from corner to safety..... this is pretty much normal, you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is..​
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you know why here let me give you a hypothetical...​

This kid only played right tackle for very little as well, but let me explain to you about the offensive line,​
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I don't care where your weak spot is, the defense will know it and that's where they'll bring their best pass rusher...​
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you don't think that Michael Parsons if he was playing our team and you moved Guyton out to the right ,he's not coming off the right, if you move your weakest guy to guard like people are talking about moving Tyler Smith to left tackle and then putting another guy in it left guard like bass ,​
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you're trying to tell me Parsons now doesn't move over bass or cuts right between bass and BB, you're trying to tell me that the mental problems which most of it was growing pains, the guy got in his own head, he was pretty good against miles Garrett in game one ,and the more he got overwhelmed the worse he got with the penalties, and then he got injured, and then he got pulled and it was just a cluster..​

But I'm sorry if you think he wouldn't have been exposed the same exact way at right tackle as he was left tackle.

I don't want to hear about left tackle is different, not in today's NFL, they'll find the hole in your wall and they will come over that hole every single snap until you plug that hole, he would have got beat by the speed rushers just like Terrence Steele, after Steele got injured he was already not the best pass blocker at right tackle, but he was pretty good at it, but he was really good at run blocking ,he got hurt he wasn't good at any of it anymore, he still got problems with pass speed rushers...but he rebounded in run blocking at the end of last season.

So, I don't care which tackle spot you play, if you've got a problem with speed rushers and they think that they can get you and get in your head that's where your best pass rusher is going to line up over and he's going to have to learn the same way..​
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I don't want to hear about blind side and backside and coverage and how left tackles harder than right tackle we're talking common sense here..​

I'm not saying he's going to get it fixed, but with a better offensive coaching staff that structured it seems to me more around a run oriented offense, where your offensive line coach is a strong offensive line coach, but your offensive coordinators an ex offensive line genius or guru, whatever you want to talk about..

he's just solid there that's his thing, that I believe coming into your second training camp your second offseason your weight training your expectations fall just a little bit you got some fresh voices in your head... that you can actually improve in this league, especially at one of the hardest positions in football which is playing tackle, yes maybe left tackle slightly harder than right tackle, but if you've got problems they're going to expose you no matter where you play, his problems were more mental and being overwhelmed and I think they can calm that down...

IF NOT, don't have to rethink it but that is with long camps or for that's what preseason is for and if going into the last preseason game or what not before cut down that they feel they need to bring in another left tackle they will they need to make a switch they will they're going to use these next four months or so to figure it out, i don't think they're going to go crazy and reach or make trade for a LT..
 
If going strictly by offseason losses and gains the only upgrade is Fowler's passrush over Lawrence.
-Rico is better than Sanders/Lawrence.
-Rush is better than Milton/Grier.
-Kendricks and Overshown are better than Murray/Sanborn and that's with Overshown's health as an unknown.
-Lewis or Diggs better than Elam and that's with Diggs health as an unknown.

Jones- meh-backup level depth only(*maybe)
Thomas- meh, backup level depth only
Murray - meh, backup level depth only
Campbell - meh, backup level depth only(*maybe)
*-if he makes the team

All of 'em are meh, backup level talent.

So cheers to McClay in hopes of all draft picks being plug n' play impact starters cuz if this team finds most of the above having any majority of snaps I'll change my 7-10 prediction to 5-12.

COWBOYS!
 
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You left out that the TEs are average and our safeties aren't getting any younger.
 
Whyjerry said:
So where is everyone on this roster? Dumpster diving in FA, couple trades, draft picks, still some FAs worth a look. From now to July what do you guys think we need to field a competitive team? Here is where I am…

OL - Not sold on the tackles. I think they need to still grab a starting caliber OT.

WR - Weak group. Imagine if Lamb was hurt. I think they need a strong #2 guy.

RB - Worst group on the team. I think they need to draft a starter capable of being a 20 touch bell cow.

DL - Fowler helps but they need a major talent upgrade inside and out. I think they still need 2 starting quality players to play DT and DE.

LB - If Overshown is back I am good but if not I still think they need a solid rotational guy.

CBs - With or without Diggs this needs to be a major focus. Do they lock up Bland? This will be a major need next season and you can never have enough good CBs so I think this is a major need.

S - Close one. Major need next season but set for now. I think they need to focus on the other areas of need but if they
picked up another quality S I wouldn’t mind.

Given the state of the roster I think they need to hit on 3/4 picks plus still grab a FA or 2.

What do you guys think?
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5 wins unless they add a WR2, a good RB, a Cornerback, and a safety …,
Roster is full of JAGs and guys who were seen to have potential!
 
Whyjerry said:
So where is everyone on this roster? Dumpster diving in FA, couple trades, draft picks, still some FAs worth a look. From now to July what do you guys think we need to field a competitive team? Here is where I am…

OL - Not sold on the tackles. I think they need to still grab a starting caliber OT.

WR - Weak group. Imagine if Lamb was hurt. I think they need a strong #2 guy.

RB - Worst group on the team. I think they need to draft a starter capable of being a 20 touch bell cow.

DL - Fowler helps but they need a major talent upgrade inside and out. I think they still need 2 starting quality players to play DT and DE.

LB - If Overshown is back I am good but if not I still think they need a solid rotational guy.

CBs - With or without Diggs this needs to be a major focus. Do they lock up Bland? This will be a major need next season and you can never have enough good CBs so I think this is a major need.

S - Close one. Major need next season but set for now. I think they need to focus on the other areas of need but if they
picked up another quality S I wouldn’t mind.

Given the state of the roster I think they need to hit on 3/4 picks plus still grab a FA or 2.

What do you guys think?
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Overall, with this team, THE GIANTS BETTER WATCH OUT!!!!!
 
jazzcat22 said:
Oh, wow, keep throwing out the insults instead of using common sense.
Look in the mirror at yourself for ignorance.

There is only one reason this team may be worse. It was Jerry doing something an hour before KO last season opener.
I will wait and see what the new staff does. And not constantly hate on everything.
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What is insulting about Identifying when a CZ member knows less than most others. It's just factual and you don't like it but it's not meant as an insult. It just is what it is and rather than wise up, you double down on your ignorant belief that BS is anything but bad for this team. Stop acting like it's an insult for me to point out when you are wrong.
 
Whyjerry said:
So where is everyone on this roster? Dumpster diving in FA, couple trades, draft picks, still some FAs worth a look. From now to July what do you guys think we need to field a competitive team? Here is where I am…

OL - Not sold on the tackles. I think they need to still grab a starting caliber OT.

WR - Weak group. Imagine if Lamb was hurt. I think they need a strong #2 guy.

RB - Worst group on the team. I think they need to draft a starter capable of being a 20 touch bell cow.

DL - Fowler helps but they need a major talent upgrade inside and out. I think they still need 2 starting quality players to play DT and DE.

LB - If Overshown is back I am good but if not I still think they need a solid rotational guy.

CBs - With or without Diggs this needs to be a major focus. Do they lock up Bland? This will be a major need next season and you can never have enough good CBs so I think this is a major need.

S - Close one. Major need next season but set for now. I think they need to focus on the other areas of need but if they
picked up another quality S I wouldn’t mind.

Given the state of the roster I think they need to hit on 3/4 picks plus still grab a FA or 2.

What do you guys think?
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We have zero chance at winning anything this year, so I'd go OL and DL on the first two days of the draft. Worry about skilled positions later, or next year. This roster is not getting fixed in one draft, so focus on the trenches.
 
Whyjerry said:
So where is everyone on this roster? Dumpster diving in FA, couple trades, draft picks, still some FAs worth a look. From now to July what do you guys think we need to field a competitive team? Here is where I am…

OL - Not sold on the tackles. I think they need to still grab a starting caliber OT.

WR - Weak group. Imagine if Lamb was hurt. I think they need a strong #2 guy.

RB - Worst group on the team. I think they need to draft a starter capable of being a 20 touch bell cow.

DL - Fowler helps but they need a major talent upgrade inside and out. I think they still need 2 starting quality players to play DT and DE.

LB - If Overshown is back I am good but if not I still think they need a solid rotational guy.

CBs - With or without Diggs this needs to be a major focus. Do they lock up Bland? This will be a major need next season and you can never have enough good CBs so I think this is a major need.

S - Close one. Major need next season but set for now. I think they need to focus on the other areas of need but if they
picked up another quality S I wouldn’t mind.

Given the state of the roster I think they need to hit on 3/4 picks plus still grab a FA or 2.

What do you guys think?
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I think this pretty much covers all the bases.

I think Dallas is hoping for major improvements from Guyton and Beebe in their second year. I think they are hoping the improvement they saw from Steele the latter part of the season continues in 2025. The question mark is who takes over for Zack Martin/ Hoffman, Bass, Richards, etc.? They key for me is Guyton. If he doesn't show major improvement over last year the Cowboys offense is going to struggle.

I am almost certain the Cowboys are going to draft a WR in the first round. I suspect it will be Golden. Not sure that moves the needle much but it's better than what they have.

I agree, we need more talent on the DL. But I think they expect improvement out of Kneeland and Mazi. I am skeptical of both, but if there is one who will improve it will be Kneeland. This draft is deep with DTs and if I was Dallas I would take 2 or 3 and hope one of them is a stud.

CB is an interesting situations. Basically, they have Bland. Diggs is coming off another injury and we have no idea what he will look like or when he will be ready. They traded for Elam, who was not great for his old team. Josh Butler looked pretty good when they played him last year, then he got hurt. Andrew Booth was not very good. Caelen Carson was a rookie and looked inconsistent then he got hurt. Amani Oruwariye looked okay at times, but he also got hurt. Because Diggs is a question mark I would not be shocked if Dallas drafted a CB in round 2.

I think we all agree the Cowboys need to find at least 3 starters in this draft.
 
The team is on the edge of average and falling off the cliff. In my opinion, the team is already showing major signs of sliding off that cliff.

The QB had trouble just hobbling around the pocket last season. And that was also when he just had to slide around a bit. Taking off and running looked dreadful. He will be 32 for this upcoming season. Anything said after this, pales in comparison to what this means from a competitive standpoint.

WR-poor outside of Lamb. His availability is the key to even mediocre offensive success.
DL-average as long as Micah is available. Poor if he is not.
LB-poor as it currently stands. Overshown should not be allowed to play until every doctor/trainer signs off on his recovery. He may need to just sit till next season no matter what.
CB-kind of an enigma. I think it could be an average group, but many guys are going to get far more snaps than they have in the past so we will find out pretty quickly.
OL-not a great push in the middle but at least okay. The OT’s were a train wreck last season.
RB-no young playmakers.
S-okay for now
P/K-some of the best in the league. Thank goodness.
TE-okay. Just average here.

If Micah and/or Lamb missed the majority of this season, the team might not win 3 games. They are that close to the cliff.
 
JoeKing said:
What is insulting about Identifying when a CZ member knows less than most others. It's just factual and you don't like it but it's not meant as an insult. It just is what it is and rather than wise up, you double down on your ignorant belief that BS is anything but bad for this team. Stop acting like it's an insult for me to point out when you are wrong.
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Yes you are correct, you do know far less than others. And you are still wrong.
You triple down yet again on your ignorance.
 
75boyz said:
If going strictly by offseason losses and gains the only upgrade is Fowler's passrush over Lawrence.
-Rico is better than Sanders/Lawrence.
-Rush is better than Milton/Grier.
-Kendricks and Overshown are better than Murray/Sanborn and that's with Overshown's health as an unknown.
-Lewis or Diggs better than Elam and that's with Diggs health as an unknown.

Jones- meh-backup level depth only(*maybe)
Thomas- meh, backup level depth only
Murray - meh, backup level depth only
Campbell - meh, backup level depth only(*maybe)
*-if he makes the team

All of 'em are meh, backup level talent.

So cheers to McClay in hopes of all draft picks being plug n' play impact starters cuz if this team finds most of the above having any majority of snaps I'll change my 7-10 prediction to 5-12.

COWBOYS!
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Can't argue with you on the 5-12. Though I would say a couple of hits on draft picks, like at WR and DT, could improve that.

All the way to 7-10! :grin:
 
Flamma said:
We have zero chance at winning anything this year, so I'd go OL and DL on the first two days of the draft. Worry about skilled positions later, or next year. This roster is not getting fixed in one draft, so focus on the trenches.
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We are on the same page.

Wouldn’t you also figure that the powers that be do not feel that way? Add a WR, RB and reach for a corner or TE and they figure they are on their way.

The HC comes right out and says they need to build from the outside in. Just hysterical, but I don’t mind. I still maintain rock bottom is necessary if we are to ever come close to winning again. Well on their way, and I wouldn’t at all mind if Jerry is laughed into irrelevance.

Then the kid can either take the heat or do the right thing.
 
Did I miss something do we really need to discuss what the roster looks like right now 'cause do we have a game Sunday like am I missing something or are we gearing up for a game next week or two weeks or three weeks or five months oh that's right it's five months can we talk about the roster at least when it gets to training camp this is pre draft too soon talk about the roster... I don't think there's many teams out there that are ready for a game if the if it started Sunday not because of not in game shape I don't think their roster is fully made either..
 
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