Which 11 are possibly gone...

[Wood]

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys will be making systematic changes to improve field position and maximize scoring. He expects as many as 10 or 11 new faces on the roster next season, with different contributors filling important roles, at upwards of 40 snaps a game. The emphasis, for the second season in a row, will be on competition for jobs.

could it be this group:
1) Montrae Holland
2) Duke Preston
3) Cory Procter
4) Ken Hamlin
5) Patrick Watkins
6) Shaun Suisham
7) Junior Siavii
8) Bobby Carpenter
9) Cletis Gordon
10) Steve Octavien

 

[Bob Sacamano]

One of them could be Flozell Adams.

 

[TheSport78]

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys will be making systematic changes to improve field position and maximize scoring. He expects as many as 10 or 11 new faces on the roster next season, with different contributors filling important roles, at upwards of 40 snaps a game. The emphasis, for the second season in a row, will be on competition for jobs.

could it be this group:
1) Montrae Holland
2) Duke Preston
3) Cory Procter
4) Ken Hamlin
5) Patrick Watkins
6) Shaun Suisham
7) Junior Siavii
8) Bobby Carpenter
9) Cletis Gordon
10) Steve Octavien

We already know Holland is gone; he won't be re-signed. Here's my list:

1. Flozell Adams
2. Ken Hamlin
3. Sam Hurd
4. Pat McQuistan
5. Duke Preston
6. Cory Proctor
7. Junior Siavii

I think these guys are gone; combine this with a draft class and free agents, and you have 11 new faces on the team.

 

[CF74]

How do we "Already" know Holland is gone?

 

[Idgit]

How do we "Already" know Holland is gone?

Put that question alongside how we're going to cut 7 and add 11.

 

[DFWJC]

I think these (7) guys are gone; combine this with a draft class and free agents, and you have 11 new faces on the team.

It's early and I'm already confused.

 

[Alexander]

How do we "Already" know Holland is gone?

He is our only unrestricted free agent and we have made no noticeable attempt to keep him. He's far more certain to be gone than most.

 

[RS12]

Maybe one of the RFA DE's depending on the draft.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'd guess

1.) Sam Hurd (Ogletree has passed him for the 4th WR spot)
2.) Pat McQuistan
3.) Montrae Holland
4.) Corey Proctor
5.) Duke Preston
6.) Junior Siavii
7.) Curtis Johnson
8.) Steve Octavian
9.) Cletis Gordon
10.) Pat Watkins
11.) Shaun Suisam

I think 6 or 7 are a lock to be gone and maybe the whole list

 

[TheSport78]

Put that question alongside how we're going to cut 7 and add 11.

You do realize we have two rookie linebackers coming off IR? There's two new faces right there. 7 people cut, 2 LBers coming off IR, a couple free agents and you have 11 new faces. Math isn't that hard now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys will be making systematic changes to improve field position and maximize scoring. He expects as many as 10 or 11 new faces on the roster next season, with different contributors filling important roles, at upwards of 40 snaps a game. The emphasis, for the second season in a row, will be on competition for jobs.

could it be this group:
1) Montrae Holland
2) Duke Preston
3) Cory Procter
4) Ken Hamlin
5) Patrick Watkins
6) Shaun Suisham
7) Junior Siavii
8) Bobby Carpenter
9) Cletis Gordon
10) Steve Octavien

good post I think these are myu replacements for the positions.

1) Montrae Holland - Brewster
2) Duke Preston - Draft Pick
3) Cory Procter - Draft Pick
4) Ken Hamlin - Depending on Draft or Antre Rolle else he will be around
5) Patrick Watkins - Mike Hamlin
6) Shaun Suisham - Not replaced, but either Beuhler or another kicker not both
7) Junior Siavii - depending on the draft.
8) Bobby Carpenter - Its either Him or Hodge, which ever plays better in preseason
9) Cletis Gordon - Draftee
10) Steve Octavien - Brandon Williams


I woudl also put Hurd on the list.

 

[Four]

I can't believe we carried holland on the roster last season.

I had no idea.

 

[Hostile]

For every position - churn, churn, churn
It's the off season - churn, churn, churn

Here is a look backwards at 2009's 53 man roster to end the season, and a look forward at 2010.

OFFENSE...25
​

QB...Romo, Kitna, & McGee

I don't think any of them are in jeopardy. Injury could change that. I would like to see us add a UDFA QB for the PS. I have my hopes on Matt Nichols. I think he has a Romo-like story in him.

RB...Barber, Jones, & Choice

I doubt there will be any movement here despite Choice's recent stated wishes. However, if an offer from another team hit the table it could happen.

FB...Anderson

I honestly do not know if he is safe or not after the gun charges. I think the Cowboys may seriously be considering drafting Dorin Dickerson to use as a FB, H-back, and TE all wrapped into one.

WR...Austin, Williams, Crayton, Hurd, & Ogletree

Jerry says he isn't looking for a WR. I don't believe that. But contrary to what so many want, it will not be Roy Williams. That just isn't going to happen at all. It won't be Austin either. He will be back. It will not shock me at all if Hurd is the odd man out.

TE...Witten, Bennett, & Phillips

No chance of a change here. Too deep.

OL...Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, Free, McQuistan, Holland, Preston, & Procter

The question here is how much is churned? 4 spots? 5? Could Flozell retire? What about Kosier? Both are nearer the end of their careers than the peak. Plus we have Brewster coming back and I think he is going to be like Free, a pleasant surprise. Despite the recent article by McMahon, 5 is too many to change. Adams stays. I think there are 4 open spots here, but maybe only 3. It will not shock me if Procter is safe. I know people do not want to hear that. I'm sorry. 3 spots are open.

Offense Summary...5 spots are open. Possibly 6. There is an outside shot at 7, but that is remote unless Adams or Kosier retire. I don't think either will, but I do think this is Adams' last season.

DEFENSE...24
​

DL...Spears, Ratliff, Olshansky, Hatcher, Siavii, & Bowen

Three of these 6 are Free Agents. I can't see us losing all 3. 2 is possible. 1 is more likely. There's a chance they all stay. I know people want Siavii upgraded, but I don't think he will be. There is too much to lose at DE to focus on NT depth.

LB...Spencer, James, Brooking, Ware, Butler, Carpenter, J. Williams, Johnson, & Octavien

There is change coming here too. The obvious first, Brandon Williams will be back and so too might Stephen Hodge. That is 2 spots. I think the obvious 2 who are gone are the last 2. As much as I like Cujo, he hasn't done enough to be comfortable, or part of the long range plans. It is interesting though that the Cowboys list him as an ILB. There is yearly speculation Carpenter is gone. As usual, that is silly. He is obviously trusted by Wade and the staff. Butler was the primary OLB backup on both sides, meaning Octavien is as good as gone now that B. Williams is back. I think this group only does those 2 changes.

DB...Newman, K. Hamlin, Sensabaugh, Jenkins, Scandrick, M. Hamlin, Ball, Watkins, & Gordon

All kinds of possibilities here. 2 of them (Watkins and Gordon) are probably gone. Is Ken Hamlin safe? Probably, despite what fans prefer. The exceptions may be if we do take a shot at Rolle or if we draft a S in round 1. Sensabaugh is a FA, but I think we will bring him back.

Defense Summary...Let's say we do lose only 1 from the DL. That is 5 spots open. 6 are possible, maybe even 7 if Hamlin is gone. I think that is unlikely, but will leave the window open.

SPECIAL TEAMS...4
​

Buehler, Suisham, McBriar, & LaDouceur

Suisham is gone. I doubt we carry 2 Kickers unless Buehler simply can't make PATS and FGs. Boniol was brought here to make sure he can. 1 roster change.


Overall Summary...5 on Offense. Anderson, Hurd, McQuistan, Holland, & Preston.

5 on Defense. Watkins, Gordon, Johnson, Octavien, and one of the backup DEs.

1 on Special Teams. Suisham.

There are your 11 roster spots. 3 of them are already filled by Brewster, Williams, and Hodge. That means anywhere from 0 to 2 Free Agents plus our original 6 Draft picks plus UDFAs. The Defense gets a spot back, I think it will belong to the DBs.

 

[Idgit]

You do realize we have two rookie linebackers coming off IR? There's two new faces right there. 7 people cut, 2 LBers coming off IR, a couple free agents and you have 11 new faces. Math isn't that hard now.

Oughta round out the 57 man roster nicely, then.

 

[reddyuta]

i think they really like Curtis johnson.if stephen hodge is not recovered fully and is unable to contribute much through pre-season then he might be cut.

 

[Woods]

For every position - churn, churn, churn
It's the off season - churn, churn, churn

Here is a look backwards at 2009's 53 man roster to end the season, and a look forward at 2010.

OFFENSE...25
​

QB...Romo, Kitna, & McGee

I don't think any of them are in jeopardy. Injury could change that. I would like to see us add a UDFA QB for the PS. I have my hopes on Matt Nichols. I think he has a Romo-like story in him.

RB...Barber, Jones, & Choice

I doubt there will be any movement here despite Choice's recent stated wishes. However, if an offer from another team hit the table it could happen.

FB...Anderson

I honestly do not know if he is safe or not after the gun charges. I think the Cowboys may seriously be considering drafting Dorin Dickerson to use as a FB, H-back, and TE all wrapped into one.

WR...Austin, Williams, Crayton, Hurd, & Ogletree

Jerry says he isn't looking for a WR. I don't believe that. But contrary to what so many want, it will not be Roy Williams. That just isn't going to happen at all. It won't be Austin either. He will be back. It will not shock me at all if Hurd is the odd man out.

TE...Witten, Bennett, & Phillips

No chance of a change here. Too deep.

OL...Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, Free, McQuistan, Holland, Preston, & Procter

The question here is how much is churned? 4 spots? 5? Could Flozell retire? What about Kosier? Both are nearer the end of their careers than the peak. Plus we have Brewster coming back and I think he is going to be like Free, a pleasant surprise. Despite the recent article by McMahon, 5 is too many to change. Adams stays. I think there are 4 open spots here, but maybe only 3. It will not shock me if Procter is safe. I know people do not want to hear that. I'm sorry. 3 spots are open.

Offense Summary...5 spots are open. Possibly 6. There is an outside shot at 7, but that is remote unless Adams or Kosier retire. I don't think either will, but I do think this is Adams' last season.

DEFENSE...24
​

DL...Spears, Ratliff, Olshansky, Hatcher, Siavii, & Bowen

Three of these 6 are Free Agents. I can't see us losing all 3. 2 is possible. 1 is more likely. There's a chance they all stay. I know people want Siavii upgraded, but I don't think he will be. There is too much to lose at DE to focus on NT depth.

LB...Spencer, James, Brooking, Ware, Butler, Carpenter, J. Williams, Johnson, & Octavien

There is change coming here too. The obvious first, Brandon Williams will be back and so too might Stephen Hodge. That is 2 spots. I think the obvious 2 who are gone are the last 2. As much as I like Cujo, he hasn't done enough to be comfortable, or part of the long range plans. It is interesting though that the Cowboys list him as an ILB. There is yearly speculation Carpenter is gone. As usual, that is silly. He is obviously trusted by Wade and the staff. Butler was the primary OLB backup on both sides, meaning Octavien is as good as gone now that B. Williams is back. I think this group only does those 2 changes.

DB...Newman, K. Hamlin, Sensabaugh, Jenkins, Scandrick, M. Hamlin, Ball, Watkins, & Gordon

All kinds of possibilities here. 2 of them (Watkins and Gordon) are probably gone. Is Ken Hamlin safe? Probably, despite what fans prefer. The exceptions may be if we do take a shot at Rolle or if we draft a S in round 1. Sensabaugh is a FA, but I think we will bring him back.

Defense Summary...Let's say we do lose only 1 from the DL. That is 5 spots open. 6 are possible, maybe even 7 if Hamlin is gone. I think that is unlikely, but will leave the window open.

SPECIAL TEAMS...4
​

Buehler, Suisham, McBriar, & LaDouceur

Suisham is gone. I doubt we carry 2 Kickers unless Buehler simply can't make PATS and FGs. Boniol was brought here to make sure he can. 1 roster change.


Overall Summary...5 on Offense. Anderson, Hurd, McQuistan, Holland, & Preston.

5 on Defense. Watkins, Gordon, Johnson, Octavien, and one of the backup DEs.

1 on Special Teams. Suisham.

There are your 11 roster spots. 3 of them are already filled by Brewster, Williams, and Hodge. That means anywhere from 0 to 2 Free Agents plus our original 6 Draft picks plus UDFAs. The Defense gets a spot back, I think it will belong to the DBs.

Hos,

I agree with your analysis, but with respect to the DL position, I was thinking the Cowboys would tender all 3 DEs (Spears, Hatcher, and Bowen).

Now, if M Dixon does well in TC and pre-season, maybe the Cowboys go with him as he'll be cheaper to keep over the medium-term.

Are you assuming that we'll actually tender all 3 and one gets lured away? Or that we won't tender all 3 guys?

 

[jterrell]

its all guesses at this point.. but.
OFFENSE...25

QB...Romo, Kitna, & McGee

Pretty secure I'd think. McGee is raw enough to warrant Kitna staying as QB2.

RB...Barber, Jones, & Choice

Solid group and not much motivation to do anything. If someone wants to give us leading back return for Choice we'll probably take it.

FB...Anderson

He could be gone because of off-field issues but my guess is his all-around game with special teams play keeps him around. ST is one area where he is markedly better than most Tight Ends.

WR .. editing format here a bit .. Austin, Williams, Crayton, Hurd, & Ogletree

Wr1 Austin, Ogletree, Crayton
Wr2 RW11, Ogletree, Crayton
Slot Crayton, Ogletree

The thing is here Hurd is really now a ST guy solely. If the team could find an ideal slot backup I think they'd consider it, especially if they could return kicks. Ogletree should get more snaps in 2010 because he can run routes and offers the most speed of any WR we have.

TE...Witten, Bennett, & Phillips

Steady and strong group. Bennett is a beast of a prospect but team may take a 2nd for him now with Phillips proving so adept at such a cheap cost.

OL...Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, Free, McQuistan, Holland, Preston, & Procter

Area of team with most room for improvement. Lots of depth can be replaced. Needs an infusion of high level young talent. Holland and the lesser of Preston and Proctor are probably locks to be gone. McQ is no guarantee to be back either. Rumors are floated about Flozell but I do not buy that he'll be gone. Not unless we go LT in R1 and that guy looks great in mini-camps and TC.


DEFENSE...24

DL...Spears, Ratliff, Olshansky, Hatcher, Siavii, & Bowen

We don't generally play with DL. We don't overpay them but we don't just change them up either. All these guys are quite known commodities. Siavii struggled to earn that spot and may well lose it if a late draftee or camp body beats him out. The other guys only leave if they want to get paid too much... a la Chris Canty.

OLB...Spencer, Ware, Butler, Johnson, & Octavien

Split the LBs because they are totally different imho. I do not think Johnson nor Octavien are coming back. We will see Brandon Williams take a spot here if he is healthy and he may become the first pass rusher off the bench. Any other off-season additions will need to be beasts on Special Teams.

ILB ... James, Brooking, Carpenter, J. Williams

I don't see much change here. We may well draft a young guy and then steal a LB spot from OLB but I expect these 4 to return and in similar roles.

CB ...Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, Ball, Gordon

Expect little change here. Another late draftee or two who can develop to bump Gordon off roster.

S ... K. Hamlin, Sensabaugh, Ball, M. Hamlin, Watkins

Chances to see changes here. Ball covered at least as much ground as Ken Hamlin but wasn't the same field general. Mike Hamlin has a history of being a play maker and he is athletic enough to warrant a look. Team wouldn't ignore a safety upgrade and Antrel Rolle is intriguing.



SPECIAL TEAMS...4

Buehler, Suisham, McBriar, & LaDouceur

Suisham is gone. I doubt we carry 2 Kickers unless Buehler simply can't make PATS and FGs. Boniol was brought here to make sure he can. 1 roster change.


All in all I think too much is made of the 11 possible roster changes as Jerry also stated he wanted to keep his players on edge thus the self-serving public notice that changes will occur.

My guess is we see 5 or 6 straight roster upgrades and another 2 or 3 changes due to salary concerns. Figure in 1 or 2 roster changes due to injury and 11 total isn't shocking at all.

**obviously took Hos' analysis here and edited it in places....

 

[Chief]

Isn't 11 players close to the average turnover rate each year?

Probably a lot higher than that for bad teams, and maybe a little lower for good teams.

I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Most of the guys listed in this thread are scrubs anyway.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'd guess

1.) Sam Hurd (Ogletree has passed him for the 4th WR spot)
2.) Pat McQuistan
3.) Montrae Holland
4.) Corey Proctor
5.) Duke Preston
6.) Junior Siavii
7.) Curtis Johnson
8.) Steve Octavian
9.) Cletis Gordon
10.) Pat Watkins
11.) Shaun Suisam

I think 6 or 7 are a lock to be gone and maybe the whole list

This seems more realistic of all the list so far [that I looked at, haven't seen all the post with limited time right now].
If any stay, it may be Watkins. And Hurd if no other WR steps up AND can also play special teams better than Hurd. Unless that ST player plays another position.

 

[jazzcat22]

Isn't 11 players close to the average turnover rate each year?

Probably a lot higher than that for bad teams, and maybe a little lower for good teams.

I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Most of the guys listed in this thread are scrubs anyway.

According to Parcells, 11 is a few too low.