Which linebackers do we keep?

[jazzcat22]

A reminder for those saying Clark to IR. That can't happen until after the initial 53 roster is official. Then he can be moved to short term IR.

IR rules, unless they changed, prior to the season. If placed on IR during TC, it will need to be considered a long term, as in 6 weeks or more to recover. Then they are on it all season. As in the case of DeVonte Bond recently.
If less than 6 weeks, then there is some type of waived / inured rule, that would expose them the waiver wire. So most teams just keep them on the 90 man roster to see if they recover if they feel they have a chance to compete.

So he would start on NFI. As PUP is for players like Cox and Gallup, who were injured during last season. They both work the same, they can go 6 weeks into the season before getting a 2 week practice period, when the must activate them or move them to IR for the season.

Clark will start TC on NFI since his injury was discovered in a non football related incident.

 

[john van brocklin]

Who do we keep?

Parsons
Cox
LVE
Gifford
Jackson
Clark
Harper
Hansford
Sam

I’m assuming Clark goes to IR, one goes to the PS, and the rest goes to the 53.

Really need camp and preseason to sort it out.

 

[xwalker]

A reminder for those saying Clark to IR. That can't happen until after the initial 53 roster is official. Then he can be moved to short term IR.

IR rules, unless they changed, prior to the season. If placed on IR during TC, it will need to be considered a long term, as in 6 weeks or more to recover. Then they are on it all season. As in the case of DeVonte Bond recently.
If less than 6 weeks, then there is some type of waived / inured rule, that would expose them the waiver wire. So most teams just keep them on the 90 man roster to see if they recover if they feel they have a chance to compete.

So he would start on NFI. As PUP is for players like Cox and Gallup, who were injured during last season. They both work the same, they can go 6 weeks into the season before getting a 2 week practice period, when the must activate them or move them to IR for the season.

Clark will start TC on NFI since his injury was discovered in a non football related incident.

They can put him on NFI. Basically same as PUP. Does not count against the initial 53.

Any player that practices 1 snap in camp not eligible for PUP/NFI.

Players injured during camp must make the initial 53 to be protected. Can then be moved to in season IR 1 day later.

They can cut guys like CJ Goodwin then re-sign after other players moved to IR.

Vested veterans not subject to waivers until after trade deadline. A guy like DT Watkins could choose to re-sign if cut.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I think the question should be - "Which LBer should we get".

Cause after Parsons, maybe Cox and Clark for next year, I dont see much at the position...

 

[805BoysInBlue]

I would like that list a lot better if Bobby Wagner or Nkobe Dean were on it.

Dean won't be much of a factor just wait and see

 

[quickccc]

Who do we keep?

Parsons
Cox
LVE
Gifford
Jackson
Clark
Harper
Hansford
Sam

I’m assuming Clark goes to IR, one goes to the PS, and the rest goes to the 53.

- the newcomers has to play out in camp and preseason. No way of knowing that now.
Clark is on the red shirt back burner, imo. A player that just had the neck surgery won't be on the likely list this year.

- Gifford is a productive special teams guy- that already holds big in his chances.
- Club likes Harper's tools and potential enuff to make him the final draft pick. Expected to be special teams ace at the least.

- Tools and potential are attributes of Aaron Hansford, Story Jackson, and Christian Sam;
- Camp and preseason performances, reports, grades ... with the newcomers it's just gonna play out this summer.

 

[xwalker]

Who do we keep?

Parsons
Cox
LVE
Gifford
Jackson
Clark
Harper
Hansford
Sam

I’m assuming Clark goes to IR, one goes to the PS, and the rest goes to the 53.

Draft picks are more likely to get claimed on waivers than UDFAs.

All teams already had a shot at the UDFAs.

Parsons
LVE
Jabril
GIfford
Harper

Also, Markquese Bell likely counts as a LB based on comments by Quinn and McClay. Bell once played at 230 in college.

 

[ESisback]

Draft picks are more likely to get claimed on waivers than UDFAs.

All teams already had a shot at the UDFAs.

Parsons
LVE
Jabril
GIfford
Harper

Also, Markquese Bell likely counts as a LB based on comments by Quinn and McClay. Bell once played at 230 in college.

Sounds reasonable, and Clark on IR?

 

[gimmesix]

Who do we keep?

Parsons
Cox
LVE
Gifford
Jackson
Clark
Harper
Hansford
Sam

I’m assuming Clark goes to IR, one goes to the PS, and the rest goes to the 53.

I think we go a little lighter at linebacker because of players we want to keep at other positions, because we can start Clark off on PUP and add him to the roster later and because we have safeties that we use in linebacker roles. A couple of the players not bolded likely end up on the practice squad.

 

[gimmesix]

Draft picks are more likely to get claimed on waivers than UDFAs.

All teams already had a shot at the UDFAs.

Parsons
LVE
Jabril
GIfford
Harper

Also, Markquese Bell likely counts as a LB based on comments by Quinn and McClay. Bell once played at 230 in college.

We probably view Bell a lot like Kearse. He can play that strong safety/linebacker role, maybe even the Cox/Neal role. Wouldn't surprise me at all in the nickel to have Parsons out there as middle linebacker flanked by Kearse and Bell (if Bell proves he deserves a role, that is). Quinn seems to really believe in the big safety-as-linebacker formula for countering passing attacks while keeping some degree of run-stopping out there.

 

[Jarntt]

Who do we keep?

Parsons
Cox
LVE
Gifford
Jackson
Clark
Harper
Hansford
Sam

I’m assuming Clark goes to IR, one goes to the PS, and the rest goes to the 53.

What a depressing list that is after Parsons. I'm much higher on Cox than most and think he is going to be really good. I think he will be a big asset in the nickel and pretty good on early downs, but to have a second year player who has only played a few snaps and then had a major injury as your second best LB when your top dog is a guy you'd like to move around and play a lot of Edge is a bad thing. I guess we can say LVE played good against the 49ers and pretend that wipes out two crappy seasons. We needed to add a LB that we knew could be a solid contributor and didn't.

 

[Pass2Run]

I think the question should be - "Which LBer should we get".

Cause after Parsons, maybe Cox and Clark for next year, I dont see much at the position...

I think Vander Esch will have a nice comeback season in 2022.

 

[Pass2Run]

I think we go a little lighter at linebacker because of players we want to keep at other positions, because we can start Clark off on PUP and add him to the roster later and because we have safeties that we use in linebacker roles. A couple of the players not bolded likely end up on the practice squad.

Jackson and Sam probably have as good a chance at making the roster as Gifford, imo.

 

[conner01]

We should keep the best LBs based on training camp and preseason game performance.

Of course Parsons is a no brainer. LVE could be but we need to see another year of production from him. Of course he is going to cost the most to keep. Gifford is a JAG. Cox showed potential last year but not enough playing time to say for sure.

Gifford is a good st player and decent depth
LB is a core position on ST
Every team has players in the roster strictly because of what they do on ST

 

[conner01]

I think Vander Esch will have a nice comeback season in 2022.

He played solid in second half last year
I think he got his confidence back and looked more aggressive
I expect a good year out of him then he will move on after this year

 

[Pass2Run]

Dean won't be much of a factor just wait and see

Probably the most overrated player in the draft. Plus, the dude lied about his injury. Really, he was trying to con teams into thinking he would be 100% healthy this year. My money is he may not even play with his torn pectoral. Even if he does, this isn't college football.

Dean chose not to time at the combine, which I think says a lot about his physical athleticism... He is a smart player, but he definitely wasn't a first round pick, more like a 3rd or 4th, which is where he was actually drafted.

There's a reason he "fell." That's because he was never a first rounder in the first place.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I think Vander Esch will have a nice comeback season in 2022.

Hope so, but last year was he was playing for a second contract and "was in the best shape of his life" - that was supposed to be his come back year.

He has declined every year since his great rookie year, I just dont see him turning it around..... hope I'm wrong.

 

[gimmesix]

Jackson and Sam probably have as good a chance at making the roster as Gifford, imo.

I'd give Gifford the edge, but not so much that I couldn't see one of them beating him out. He was also a UDFA that once knocked another linebacker off the roster, so it might happen to him. There was some thought when we signed UDFAs this year that Hansford might be the one to do it.

I don't think any of our bottom-of-the-roster guys are safe. Bring up pretty much any position and there's a spot that can be won. Will these players win it? I have no idea.

 

[xwalker]

Sounds reasonable, and Clark on IR?

NFI for Clark.

 

[xwalker]

Hope so, but last year was he was playing for a second contract and "was in the best shape of his life" - that was supposed to be his come back year.

He has declined every year since his great rookie year, I just dont see him turning it around..... hope I'm wrong.

Wrong.

Vander Esch was very good in the 2nd half of 2021 and one of the top performers in the playoff game.

Quinn had him play a different style which confuses most fans.

He played a Stack & Shed in 2021.

Marinelli LBs all played Run & Hit.

Stack & Shed is basically equivalent to a DL playing 2-gap.

A 250 pound LB playing Stack & Shed will always give up some ground against 320 OLinemen. The scheme has a built in assumption that the S & S LB will at times get pushed back a couple of yards. That's OK because he is freeing up another defender. The S & S LB must avoid getting boxed out right/left relative to the blocker.

For the 2021 Cowboys Vander Esch playing Stack & Shed allowed Parsons to freelance and make plays instead of having rigidly defined run gap responsibilities.

The concepts are based on probabilities. Quinn is OK with some runs going for 2 extra yards because he gains more than that back in the overall scheme.