Which Receivers Make the 53?

[gimmesix]

I assume they keep 6 on the 53 and 1 or more to the PS.

53- CDL, Pickens, Tolbert, Mingo, Turpin, Flournoy

PS- best of Campbell, Brooks, Cropper and Harmon

I think we'll keep six on the 53 and at least two on the PS. I also think your six for the 53 are likely. Flournoy is the only spot I think that's really up for grabs unless Mingo or Tolbert is terrible, which I don't think is likely.

 

[gimmesix]

Mingo has actually caught more passes than Tolbert. Majority from his rookie season. Tolbert has a little more yards and 4 TDs (with Mingo zero).

Hopefully with an offseason in this system, he can show some of what he did as a rookie. Tolbert was definitely the better receiver last year, but Mingo was at a disadvantage since Tolbert has been in McCarthy's system for more than a couple years. He'd worked with the QBs on the roster longer and the QBs knew what to expect from him.

 

[zekecowboy]

The first four are easy: Lamb, Pickens, Tolbert, Turpin.

I think they likely keep six. So, which two on the current roster have a shot to make the initial 53. And why?

Personally, my two guys are Holden and Cropper.

Holden is fast, and plays like an NFL receiver. His top speed is in the 98th percentile. He's that guy who can make plays on slams or down the field. Not the best route runner, but he gets good separation. To me, Holden is just a better football player at this point. Maybe I'm sleeping on Flournoy, but I'm giving Holden the edge over Flournoy because he plays with that so-called dog in him.

Cropper has been my pet cat since before we acquired him. The guy can just play. He's a bit undersized, but his weight and speed helps him get separation, which is a big part of his game.

Im looking for guys who can separate for WRs 5 and 6.

Why?

Because you always play a few teams that have sticky corners and so you need players with a knack for getting open, which both Holden and Cropper do well.

Not only that, I really like what they can both do after the catch.

I also like these two just for the chemistry they bring. As players, they'd give us more flexibility to run more WCO stuff, which I hope is part of the plan.

I'm not worried about draft picks spent on a player if an UDFA is better. Just go with the better player.

Which WRs do you think makes the roster and why?

Traeshon Holden has average speed, he is a physical route runner. Most likely will make practice squad due to his connections with Oregon wide receivers coach.​

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Measurables​

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Weight: 205 pounds

Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches

Arm Length: 31 5/8 inches

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Time: 4.57 seconds

Rank at Position: 15th of 19 Players

 

[Hadenough]

Mingo being a lock is asinine. The justification because of a fourth in even more ridiculous. The guy hasn't been good since college. I even question if he will ever adjust to the nfl level period. Fourth or not, he is a waste of a roster spot imo.

I think your right. But we all know how Jerry works and he isn't willing to admit mistakes that easy. Any other team Mingo would be fighting for his life to stay on the roster.

 

[SoupcanSam]

Seriously I dont even think Mingo gets signed to another team outside of dallas

 

[blueblood70]

Mingo has actually caught more passes than Tolbert. Majority from his rookie season. Tolbert has a little more yards and 4 TDs (with Mingo zero).

I say it only matters what's happened recently you can only use last year as recent Tolbert getting better and Mingo's not I mean you just made everyone's point tolbert is a better NFL player right now and he will make this roster at a higher on the depth chart right now and that's not changing unless Mingo just suddenly becomes Megatron overnight...

I think Mingo as much as some of our backup quarterbacks are just projects maybe he'll ease him into his role but it's only about what you have done recently that's why Tolbert was better than Brandon Cook's last year he's been progressing as slow as people might think that's bad but he is developing he's continuing to develop 610 yards 12.4 yards per catch and seven touchdowns is not chunk change and the man's only getting better if you think Mingo can improve so can Tolbert..

Is that what we're failing to recognize here is that this new offense the coaching staff it's also going to benefit Tolbert he's already ahead that means mingos got a larger job trying to overtake Tober from behind...

Not sure what Tobert did for people to feel like somehow he's not gonna make this roster he's gonna get beat out by Mingo but that is not the case he's a lock to make the top forward he's basically wide receiver three at this point and it will take a lot to move him off that...
By the way you can throw out that comp let's just even throw out jalen Tolbert's rookie year he didn't do anything he basically sat and waited..

just over the last two years here's the comparison .. Your statements wrong he does not have more catches he has more targets in less catches and that's not a good thing less touchdowns less yards a worse yards per reception, there is nothing even comparable here except that they're both developing but Tolbert is developing faster..


Tolbert-

73 catches

890yards

12.2ypr

9tds

Mingo

60 catches

585

yards 9.8

yPR zero Tds

 

[TwentyOne]

Yup mingo is a lock with the draft capital invested in him

Thats what i would say also.

 

[Pass2Run]

Seriously I dont even think Mingo gets signed to another team outside of dallas

Everyone is like no way an UDFA is beating out Mingo, etcetera. But that's exactly what happened to him in Carolina.

I just can't get excited about a player with that much athleticism getting punked by an unathletic UDFA.

There's a lot of wishful thinking surrounding Mingo.

 

[Stash]

The Cowboys traded for Mingo in week 10, His first active game with the team was week 11. Both Lamb and Cooks missed multiple games in the 8 weeks Mingo was with the team, and even when Cooks did come back he took a couple week to ramp back up to get to a typical 40+ snap role. It opened up passing snaps as follows:

Flournoy - 75 snaps
Brooks - 58 snaps
Mingo - 89 snaps (which is actually a few more than I thought it would be)

Mingo basically couldn't escape the bottom of the roster rotation with Flournoy and Brooks. At very least I would have expected him to be steal more snaps from those guys. Tolbert saw 260+ snaps during that time period as well which is one of the highest rates in the league. I don't think its crazy to think that Mingo could have cut into some of those snaps had the coaches had much confidence in him. In fact from his week to week usage it looks like he got 19 pass snaps his first week with the team against Houston, and then that went down significantly just a week later against Washington at just 8. Part of that could simply be adapting to a new team, but it also tells me the Houston tape wasnt very good.

Here’s another factor to consider.

Last year’s coaching staff knew they were on the hot seat. Most were in the final year of their contract and if not, they knew their head coach was.

In some instances, they played veterans over young players because they were trying to save their jobs. As was the case of keeping Chuma Edoga in the lineup when Guyton was healthy.

I don’t doubt that it played a factor at wide receiver as well.

Based on early OTA reports (values may vary), Mingo has repeatedly shown out. I’m certainly willing to give him a full season with the projected starting quarterback before I pass judgement.

 

[jazzcat22]

Exactly...bad players typically don't get a ton of opportunities. If anyone had an opportunity to carve out more playing time by switching teams it was Mingo. Just 89 passing snaps in 8 games when your top two WRs both missed multiple games? Coaching staff clearly didn't feel he offered anything of value last year.

MM screwed up, and also had Rush at QB.
I will wait and see how he looks in TC. and PS games. He should get a long of snaps.

 

[jazzcat22]

That's true but we also traded cooper for a 5th so don't read into that too much

That was more of a salary dump than anything else.

 

[jazzcat22]

Who was he suppose to see the field over? He was always about the next season which is why it was a silly move.

No it was not a silly move. They got a good value in the trade over a player they may have got with that pick. As the draft did turn out decent, plus Pickens.
It was alway about this year. Just like last off season of the ALL OUT theory, was about this year, and next.

 

[jazzcat22]

Seriously I dont even think Mingo gets signed to another team outside of dallas

Yes he would.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Here’s another factor to consider.

Last year’s coaching staff knew they were on the hot seat. Most were in the final year of their contract and if not, they knew their head coach was.

In some instances, they played veterans over young players because they were trying to save their jobs. As was the case of keeping Chuma Edoga in the lineup when Guyton was healthy.

I don’t doubt that it played a factor at wide receiver as well.

Based on early OTA reports (values may vary), Mingo has repeatedly shown out. I’m certainly willing to give him a full season with the projected starting quarterback before I pass judgement.

And that is a fair take. The coaching situation was horrible handled since the end of the 2023 season and they were absolutely more focused on short term success over player development in a lost season.

Lets see how Mingo does in camp this year, but I just cant give him benefit of the doubt until I see it. Other than the fact that his measurables are 90% in line with a dream WR (which isnt nothing) he is yet to show us anything in two years in the league. We need to see more on tape out him when full pads go on.

 

[Stash]

And that is a fair take. The coaching situation was horrible handled since the end of the 2023 season and they were absolutely more focused on short term success over player development in a lost season.

Lets see how Mingo does in camp this year, but I just cant give him benefit of the doubt until I see it. Other than the fact that his measurables are 90% in line with a dream WR (which isnt nothing) he is yet to show us anything in two years in the league. We need to see more on tape out him when full pads go on.

Yes. That’s what I’m saying. Let’s see what he does with an offseason and the starting quarterback.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Seriously I dont even think Mingo gets signed to another team outside of dallas

Oh brother.

 

[KJJ]

Seriously I dont even think Mingo gets signed to another team outside of dallas

Someone is bound to give him a look for no draft compensation if we release him. He was a second round pick and we traded for him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No it was not a silly move. They got a good value in the trade over a player they may have got with that pick. As the draft did turn out decent, plus Pickens.
It was alway about this year. Just like last off season of the ALL OUT theory, was about this year, and next.

It’s silly because if they waited Mingo was either getting cut or value or as going down. If Cowboys traded him now they would get a 7th.

 

[Pass2Run]

I say it only matters what's happened recently you can only use last year as recent Tolbert getting better and Mingo's not I mean you just made everyone's point tolbert is a better NFL player right now and he will make this roster at a higher on the depth chart right now and that's not changing unless Mingo just suddenly becomes Megatron overnight...

I think Mingo as much as some of our backup quarterbacks are just projects maybe he'll ease him into his role but it's only about what you have done recently that's why Tolbert was better than Brandon Cook's last year he's been progressing as slow as people might think that's bad but he is developing he's continuing to develop 610 yards 12.4 yards per catch and seven touchdowns is not chunk change and the man's only getting better if you think Mingo can improve so can Tolbert..

Is that what we're failing to recognize here is that this new offense the coaching staff it's also going to benefit Tolbert he's already ahead that means mingos got a larger job trying to overtake Tober from behind...

Not sure what Tobert did for people to feel like somehow he's not gonna make this roster he's gonna get beat out by Mingo but that is not the case he's a lock to make the top forward he's basically wide receiver three at this point and it will take a lot to move him off that...
By the way you can throw out that comp let's just even throw out jalen Tolbert's rookie year he didn't do anything he basically sat and waited..

just over the last two years here's the comparison .. Your statements wrong he does not have more catches he has more targets in less catches and that's not a good thing less touchdowns less yards a worse yards per reception, there is nothing even comparable here except that they're both developing but Tolbert is developing faster..


Tolbert-

73 catches

890yards

12.2ypr

9tds

Mingo

60 catches

585

yards 9.8

yPR zero Tds

Interesting. Not much talk about Harmon or Campbell. So many options and we are stuck on Mingo.

 

[Stash]

Interesting. Not much talk about Harmon or Campbell. So many options and we are stuck on Mingo.

Outside of this forum, I haven’t seen or heard any talk of Harmon whatsoever.