Which Would You Want

[dargonking999]

(from espn_

Which player would you want on your team (same contract) if both availbe in FA

Moss or TO

 

[Duane]

I'd take Moss, he's a better player and better teammate. He didn't slam Culpepper after they lost like TO did to McNabb.

 

[Qwickdraw]

I hate them both.
But I think BP could contain Moss for a while and he is the more dominant between the two, IMO.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I'll take C....neither

 

[Alexander]

If you put a gun to my head, Owens.

When he is healthy, he is more dangerous than Moss.

If he could be massively productive with less than accurate QBs like Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb, I would take him on my team.

Owens is a better route runner and will make the tough catch in traffic. Moss is a one trick pony and would need a mad bomber like Culpepper to be the best he can be and he will never sell out his body to make a catch.

Even though you hate what he says, he does work harder on the field. Moss takes plays off if the ball is not coming his way. And if you want to talk about "character" and who is a better teammate? Owens may have slammed people, but he never walked off the field on them as Moss did last year.

 

[Tio]

Moss, more dominant.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Owens may have slammed people, but he never walked off the field on them as Moss did last year.

Yea.
T.O. just doesn't show up to begin with.

Let's not debate which jackass is less of a jackass.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Let's not debate which jackass is less of a jackass.

 

[Alexander]

Yea.
T.O. just doesn't show up to begin with.

Let's not debate which jackass is less of a jackass.

This might not be a popular opinion, but Owens is more justified here in having a dispute with the organization and his contract.

He has missed a few workouts and has yet to miss a game.

Moss left his team on the field. There is a big difference.

I will also add that if Moss broke his ankle, he would not have worked like a demon to make it back for his teammates to play in the Super Bowl like Owens did.

 

[austintodallas]

I'll take Keyshawn.

 

[SuspectCorner]

michael irvin says take TO. and irvin knows a little bit about receivers and receiving.

 

[ThEpLyMaKeR88]

i'll take randy the cowboy killer moss as long as he doesn't throw a towel in bills face

 

[KDWilliams85]

This might not be a popular opinion, but Owens is more justified here in having a dispute with the organization and his contract.

For starters, if you think T.O. is justified in holding out for more money, you're sadly mistaken.

Moss has never held out for money. Moss plays for what he's making and he waits until his contract is up to nail his owners for money. T.O. makes enough money now to support any kind of lifestyle he and his family could want. His "motivation" is highly suspect. He's not doing it for his family. He's doing it because Rosenhaus told him too.

Moss. Hands down.

 

[ThEpLyMaKeR88]

not to mention moss is younger and has always been better then owens

 

[Fletch]

I'd definitely take Moss over the 30+ year old T.O. who seems to be much more controversial than Moss.

 

[DallasEast]

I'll take C....neither

D. Marvin Harrison

Championship teams don't require the 'best ever receiver' to win it all. With respect to all the posters here, Irvin wasn't the best receiver to grace the NFL. Neither was Pearson. Yet, Dallas was graced with two players who did whatever it took to win. And they did it well.

I would not want Moss because I believe that he would come at too high a price--which would offset the organization's long-term plans.

Owens?

In my book, no matter how talented you may be, some things are unforgivable. He disgraced the Star--not once, but twice--within Texas Stadium...

Owens can rot in the more colorful description of Hades for all I care.

 

[Alexander]

For starters, if you think T.O. is justified in holding out for more money, you're sadly mistaken.

In his mind, he is.

Moss has never held out for money.

Moss plays for what he's making and he waits until his contract is up to nail his owners for money. T.O. makes enough money now to support any kind of lifestyle he and his family could want. His "motivation" is highly suspect. He's not doing it for his family. He's doing it because Rosenhaus told him too.

Moss. Hands down.

Moss has walked off the field on his teammates. Owens came back off a broken ankle to help them to try to win a championship. Moss sat out three weeks on a sprained ankle during the year and loafed during several games after he returned.

You are splitting hairs concerning the character issue and how it applies to your teammates. I don't think as many Eagle players are bitter at him as Minnesota players are bitter with how Moss handled himself. You had Culpepper and Matt Birk speaking out about Moss showing his butt.

How many Eagles have come out and expressed how upset they are that he has held out of a few minicamps again?

If you want to debate their worth on the field, that is one thing. But this speculation about who is a better teammate is not nearly as "hands down" as you imply.

 

[royhitshard]

Moss anyday over TO

 

[KDWilliams85]

Moss has walked off the field on his teammates. Owens came back off a broken ankle to help them to try to win a championship. Moss sat out three weeks on a sprained ankle during the year and loafed during several games after he returned.

You are splitting hairs concerning the character issue and how it applies to your teammates. I don't think as many Eagle players are bitter at him as Minnesota players are bitter with how Moss handled himself. You had Culpepper and Matt Birk speaking out about Moss showing his butt.

How many Eagles have come out and expressed how upset they are that he has held out of a few minicamps again?

If you want to debate their worth on the field, that is one thing. But this speculation about who is a better teammate is not nearly as "hands down" as you imply.

Excuse me, but you are the one who is splitting hairs. You're comparing injury. If I recall correctly, T.O. didn't play in the Pro Bowl or any of the playoff games. If T.O. really wanted to play, he could have.

As for Moss walking out on his team, he left with less than :30 seconds to go and the Vikings losing all but a formality. While he shouldn't have done it, he left at a time when there was nothing he could have done.

Moss is a character but he doesn't cause trouble. T.O. causes trouble and dissent amongst any team he's played for. He bashed Garcia in San Francisco and he bashed McNabb in Philadelphia. Moss may have been obscene but he was never the type to bash on his team. He assumes responsibility for the consequences of his actions instead of blaming someone else who was just as responsible as he was.

Moss is indeed a better teammate than Owens. If you recall him going to Philadelphia, Owens had to file a grievance for free agency to get there. Moss didn't do such a thing to get to Oakland. Owens feels like the team revolves around him and could get anything he wanted by being non-cooperative with his team or his contract. Moss never felt that way. He's never had to. Moss plays while Owens doesn't. You can look to his whole contract situation right now for a better explanation.

Moss is a better teammate. Owens is not a teammate. Owens is a whole lot like Keyshawn before he came to Dallas.

 

[Alexander]

Excuse me, but you are the one who is splitting hairs. You're comparing injury. If I recall correctly, T.O. didn't play in the Pro Bowl or any of the playoff games. If T.O. really wanted to play, he could have.

Are you kidding?

The Pro Bowl?

And it was doubtful that he could play in the Super Bowl and yet he did. I would wager Moss would have sat that one out.

As for Moss walking out on his team, he left with less than :30 seconds to go and the Vikings losing all but a formality. While he shouldn't have done it, he left at a time when there was nothing he could have done.

So why did he even bother to leave if he was such a good teammate? If it served no purpose, why do it? He was disgusted by something, and that makes him a good teammate how?

Moss is a character but he doesn't cause trouble. T.O. causes trouble and dissent amongst any team he's played for. He bashed Garcia in San Francisco and he bashed McNabb in Philadelphia. Moss may have been obscene but he was never the type to bash on his team. He assumes responsibility for the consequences of his actions instead of blaming someone else who was just as responsible as he was.

How has Owens blamed anyone? He called out Garcia for being a system QB and a poor leader. Well, he is a backup in Detroit now. Like the fellow or not, he had a point. Garcia was not very good. He called out McNabb. From what I could see, McNabb choked in the Super Bowl, while Owens laid it out on the line.

You don't have to like him to acknowledge that on an elementary level, he is right.

Moss is indeed a better teammate than Owens. If you recall him going to Philadelphia, Owens had to file a grievance for free agency to get there. Moss didn't do such a thing to get to Oakland. Owens feels like the team revolves around him and could get anything he wanted by being non-cooperative with his team or his contract. Moss never felt that way. He's never had to. Moss plays while Owens doesn't. You can look to his whole contract situation right now for a better explanation.

Filing a grievance has nothing to do with being a teammate. He did not like the team he was traded for and wanted to be a free agent. He had no allegience to Baltimore.

Moss is a better teammate. Owens is not a teammate. Owens is a whole lot like Keyshawn before he came to Dallas.

And who was "right"? Keyshawn or Jon Gruden?

Keyshawn has been a great teammate in Dallas. That does not mean he was not in a bad situation under Gruden in Tampa any more than Glenn was in a bad situation in Green Bay and New England. We do not know what goes on behind the scenes. Perhaps Owens is a victim of circumstance and misunderstanding, as he and others have stated.

We get tidbits. And from the evidence that has been demonstrated by commentary from Viking teammates, Moss will not be missed. If your point is correct, you would see many more people upset. They aren't. In fact, most seem content. The only person who has a problem with Owens is McNabb and even he appears to be willing to put it aside.