Which WR would you rather have?

[DFWJC]

He's doing great, and making huge plays, but lets not get crazy. He's not top 5 at this point. Who would you put him over in the top five over the following guys?

Andre Johnson
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson


To me that's the top 5 WR's in the league. So which one of those guys are you getting rid of for Austin? I like Austin, and he's doing great, but you could give me any one of those folks for him any day of the week and I'd be pleased.

Clearly none of them.

 

[DFWJC]

OKAY IN ORDER

1. Miles Austin
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Andre Johnson
4. Rany Moss
5. Maquese Colston
6. Calvin Johnson
7. Steve Smith
8. Reggie Wayne
9. Chad Ochochinco
10. Hakeem Nicks

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Clearly none of them.

WOW! :bang2:

 

[DFWJC]

WOW! :bang2:

You mean right now..with what you know after a handful of games....you think Austin is better than those guys!? Come on! Please tell you are not serious.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

You mean right now..with what you know after a handful of games....you think Austin is better than those guys!? Come on! Please tell you you are not serious.

Im not saying he's better. Im just saying he's the guy I rather have on my team with his type of skills.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

3 starts.

Tied for the NFL lead in receiving touchdowns with 7, leading the NFL in yards per reception for all players with at least 20 catches, tied for the NFL lead in 20+ yard receptions and second in the NFL in 40+ yard receptions.

And a smile capable of blinding anyone not wearing sunglasses.

That's the biggest factor. Miles didn't even start the season as a starter. I take Austin over T.O. 8 days out of the week.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

That's the biggest factor. Miles didn't even start the season as a starter. I take Austin over T.O. 8 days out of the week.

He didn't start. But he did play in the season opener and score a touchdown when the opportunity presented itself.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Not I.

The Eagles focused on Miles Austin, so naturally his numbers weren't eye popping. But he was there when it counted.

What mattered was Tony Romo not forcing lots of passes to anyone and instead going where his reads indicated the best match-up was.

And Austin wasn't even starting in week two, so I'm not sure what you expected against the Giants when Romo (13-29 127yds 1td 3int 29.6 qb rating) didn't exactly bring his "A" game.

Tony Romo reads the field with the best of them. IMO, that's the crux of his success. His progressions are all-pro caliber and it shows.

 

[DFWJC]

That's the biggest factor. Miles didn't even start the season as a starter. I take Austin over T.O. 8 days out of the week.

Oh yeah, definitely Austin > TO for many reasons.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Oh yeah, definitely Austin > TO for many reasons.

Good Point :starspin

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Oh yeah, definitely Austin > TO for many reasons.

Ego being the first and foremost, with talent running a close second.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Ego being the first and foremost, with talent running a close second.

Austin reminds me of Romo when he broke into stardom with the winning smile on his face making plays.

 

[BHendri5]

I am a Miles Austin fan, but dude, come on, T.O. has been drawing double and triple teams for years. All these youngsters that are on the scene now need to put up the numbers like T.O. has done for 13yrs, and this season is not over, he still has a chance to clear 1000 yards, if his QB can have the time to get him and the other WRs the ball.

Miles can get there, but he is 4yrs behind the eight ball, T.O. only had one season under a 1000, that was his rookie season, if I am correct.

You are taking a jab at people on this board, as well as T.O.
Why else would you try and compare Miles to a future HOFer?

 

[jswalker1981]

Austin reminds me of Romo when he broke into stardom with the winning smile on his face making plays.

I think the same thing, and I think that Austin is bringing that smile back out of Romo. I wonder when I see Romo jumping around and pumping his fist this year, if last year he wasn't as excited because maybe he was like, "whew, maybe that will get him off my back for a little bit." It just seems that this year they are having more fun, and of course winning is fun. But everyone seems happy for everyone else if they score or have a big play because it is helping the team.

 

[BHendri5]

Oh yeah, definitely Austin > TO for many reasons.

I would not 8 days out of a week. Now ask your self this question, If you had a T.O. the same age as Austin, who would you take then, this question is for anyone to answer, not just you.

If you are honest, I already know the answer, if you are not honest you'll say Miles.

 

[jswalker1981]

I am a Miles Austin fan, but dude, come on, T.O. has been drawing double and triple teams for years. All these youngsters that are on the scene now need to put up the numbers like T.O. has done for 13yrs, and this season is not over, he still has a chance to clear 1000 yards, if his QB can have the time to get him and the other WRs the ball.

Miles can get there, but he is 4yrs behind the eight ball, T.O. only had one season under a 1000, that was his rookie season, if I am correct.

You are taking a jab at people on this board, as well as T.O.
Why else would you try and compare Miles to a future HOFer?

Umm, if T.O. comes onto this board and has a problem with what I'm saying, then he can PM me.

As for taking a jab at others on this board. What I am saying, and this may have been lost in translation, is that the media kept saying we can't replace T.O.'s production. And according to the stats, that production has been replaced. Based on careers, T.O. is a better WR than Austin is, hands down. But this isn't the past. I had a friend tell me the Cowboys were dumb for releasing Vanderjagt, "He's the most accurate kicker in NFL history." Yea, in HISTORY, not now.

I supported T.O. when he was here, but first and foremost, I'm a fan of the Star, not just the person wearing it. I'm not comparing total careers, just the first part of 2008 and 2009. I'm guessing you would probably want today's Emmitt Smith right now instead of Adrian Peterson. This isn't a hall-of-fame argument. It is a comparison of 8 or 9 games between a player that we released and a player that is replacing him.

But how about I take out the names. Let's forget about T.O. and Austin. Let's look at offensive production.

At this point in 2008 (9 games), we had 2065 passing yards, 1042 rushing yards, for a total of 3107 yards on offense.

At this point in 2009 (8 games), we have 2215 passing yards, 1109 rushing yards, for a total of 3324 yards on offense.

I know that Johnson was QB for three of those games, but they also played one extra game in 2008 (week 10 was the bye) then in 2009.

So the production we were suppose to lose because of the turnover of players on offense, hasn't happened.

There. Feel better?

 

[JonJon]

After 9 weeks, which WR would you rather have??

WR 1: 35 catches, 467 yards, 6 TDs

or

WR 2: 27 catches, 612 yards, 7 TDs



My pick is WR 2. And it's who Jerry picked in the offseason...Miles Austin.

WR 1 was T.O's #'s after the first nine weeks of last year. And if anyone remembers last year, we didn't have a bye till Week 10. That means compared to Austin's 2009 production, he had an extra week of production.

If you average Austin's season total numbers (total numbers divided by 8 games), and plugged it in for Week 6, he would have:

30 catches, 689 yards, 8 TDs

I guess we can consider that great T.O. production replaced.

(P.S. This isn't meant to be a shot at anyone on this board, more about the media's opinion that we couldn't replace Owens' production)

You did a good job and I'm gonna let you finish, but Terrell Owens is the greatest receiver of All Time!

I kid, I kid.

But seriously, it is hard to argue the numbers. Austin has far surpassed my expectations of him. It's almost unreal. It reminds me of the second half of JuJo's rookie season. I just hope Austin can keep up the heat.

 

[BHendri5]

Umm, if T.O. comes onto this board and has a problem with what I'm saying, then he can PM me.

As for taking a jab at others on this board. What I am saying, and this may have been lost in translation, is that the media kept saying we can't replace T.O.'s production. And according to the stats, that production has been replaced. Based on careers, T.O. is a better WR than Austin is, hands down. But this isn't the past. I had a friend tell me the Cowboys were dumb for releasing Vanderjagt, "He's the most accurate kicker in NFL history." Yea, in HISTORY, not now.

I supported T.O. when he was here, but first and foremost, I'm a fan of the Star, not just the person wearing it. I'm not comparing total careers, just the first part of 2008 and 2009. I'm guessing you would probably want today's Emmitt Smith right now instead of Adrian Peterson. This isn't a hall-of-fame argument. It is a comparison of 8 or 9 games between a player that we released and a player that is replacing him.

I am aware of what the media has said and are saying, they are a bunch of astronauts, I do not like the media in any form or fashion, you get more of their opinions than the real truth. Anyway all I'm saying is let the media do that crap, why bring it here? Just be happy that Miles has been able to get the chance to pick up the slack. I have been saying for 4yrs now let him and Hurd play, I am all for the young guys getting their chance to show if they have what it takes to help the team.
I am a Cowboys fan always have been and always will, 45yrs and counting, but I am a big T.O. as well, but he comes second to the Boys. I wanted to see him retire as a Cowboy, but Stephen Jones finally talked his dad into letting Owens go, and I was fine with that, because I could see the big picture, like what is happening now. If roy does not pan out then he can move on and we can let another Youngster shine in his spot.
I'm just saying you cannot compare the two, no matter how hard you want to try, or the media tries it cannot be done, just like you cannot compare A. Peterson and Emmitt, the latter lasted a long time, A.P. will not last as long.

But I will tell you who I would take over A.P., I would take Choice over A.P...
I love the way A.P. runs with abandon, aggression, but he will start winding down real soon, Choice will still be there producing. Yes, he is not a starter like A.P., if he was when A.P.'s body starts to slow down and injuries start dogging him due to his style, Choice will still be rolling strong, and for all the hard charging that A.P. will have done he does not guarantee you a ring, neither does Choice, but I believe he would if given the opportunity that A.P. has.

 

[Bluefin]

I would not 8 days out of a week. Now ask your self this question, If you had a T.O. the same age as Austin, who would you take then, this question is for anyone to answer, not just you.

If you are honest, I already know the answer, if you are not honest you'll say Miles.

You seem to be basing your beliefs on talent alone.

Terrell Owens was a phenomenal athlete at wide receiver, but all his skills were negated by his attitude.

If we had Owens at a younger age, we still would've eventually cut him because he still would've been Owens. Nothing would have ever been his fault and their would always be a coach or teammate to throw under the bus as the reason for bad play or poor stats.

Why would I want a player who would turn on the team in down times?

You don't have to worry about any of that with Miles Austin.

You get the talent on the field and a role model for what you want any player to be in the locker room and the public eye.

I'm being honest.

I would never want "me first" Owens over "team" Austin.

Not by a long shot.

 

[BHendri5]

You seem to be basing your beliefs on talent alone.

Terrell Owens was a phenomenal athlete at wide receiver, but all his skills were negated by his attitude.

If we had Owens at a younger age, we still would've eventually cut him because he still would've been Owens. Nothing would have ever been his fault and their would always be a coach or teammate to throw under the bus as the reason for bad play or poor stats.

Why would I want a player who would turn on the team in down times?

You don't have to worry about any of that with Miles Austin.

You get the talent on the field and a role model for what you want any player to be in the locker room and the public eye.

I'm being honest.

I would never want "me first" Owens over "team" Austin.

Not by a long shot.

Attitude smattitude, I'll take a talent like Owens and the supposedly me first attitude all day any day of the week. You drank all the koolaide the media has handed you about him, you dranked it about Moss, Keyshawn, Chad Johnson, probably even about Irvin, oh you probably dranked the koolaide about how Harrison and Rice were not attitude guys.

Role models are the parents, or at least should be. Not the athletes. My favorite athlete of all time Jordan was an attitude guy. Every guy that is in any HOF for any sport had an attitude and was a me first guy, as you put it.

I bet you any kind of money, that if you were to ask the people closest to them to tell you stories about them, those stories would blow you away. You have to be me firs, inorder to reach those lofty goals,or else you will not work as hard. You have to get yourself right inorder to help your team and teammates.