Whitlock: Call off the dogs on Vick

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Jason Whitlock
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I agree with the president of Atlanta's NAACP. The NFL should welcome Michael Vick back to its league once he has finished serving jail time for his involvement in dog fighting.

"As a society, we should aid in (Vick's) rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," R.L. White said on Wednesday. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country."

Again, I concur with Mr. White. Michael Vick and every other convicted felon deserve an opportunity to re-enter society and earn an honest living. Now that Vick has acknowledged his wrongdoing, offered an apology through his attorney and is prepared to accept his fate, we should treat him with compassion, and support his rehabilitation efforts.
I also hope that our modern-day civil-rights leaders stake out a consistent position on compassion. We can't demand it for Michael Vick and deny it to those we don't like, especially when it comes to high-profile public figures such as Don Imus.

You see, this is the problem when every misdeed or slip of the tongue by a broadcaster, celebrity, athlete is turned into a major political issue worthy of protest and calls for dismissal.
Vick and Imus are both flawed individuals. They made gigantic mistakes from which they should be allowed to rebound.
"Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being," White said.
He's right. Imus' defenders would probably say the same thing, and they would add that Imus didn't kill anything (human being or otherwise).
We have to put an end to the political game of "racial gotcha." It's backfiring on everybody. We no longer seek understanding. We seek vigilante justice. We want high-profile people to serve as examples of the kind of harsh punishment America is willing to dole out if you make a mistake. We think if Vick and Imus lose their jobs and are totally disgraced, their demise will make the world a more civil place.
I'm not so sure. I think we're becoming more bitter. We look for chances to screw the "other" guy.

Maybe I'm pro-second and third chances because I've had them throughout my life. I've been outspoken, flip and irreverent my entire life. I've crossed lines. A decade ago, I got in a taunting exchange with New England Patriots fans and cracked an inappropriate joke. People wanted me fired. They thought one public lapse in judgment said all there was to know about me.
I know there's more to Michael Vick than dogfighting. He can learn from this. He can evolve. We need to give him room to do it. When he is freed from incarceration, I hope PETA and other groups concerned about animal welfare reach out to Vick and make him part of a solution, not a target of harassment.
I have the same wish for Imus. He's going to return to radio. I hope he's learned a lesson and reserves his harshest barbs for legitimate public figures, not college girls. I hope people allow Imus to work in peace. He's been punished. He's been used as an example. Now we have to demonstrate that we will allow people to recover from their mistakes. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has been aggressively trying to police the behavior of his athletes. He wants to change the growing negative image of NFL players. There will be a lot of public pressure on Goodell to ban Vick for a year or more after he's been released. I think that's a mistake.

Vick is likely to receive 12 to 24 months of prison time. The Falcons are likely to demand the return of a large portion of his signing bonus and void the remaining years of his contract. Vick is going to receive a very stiff penalty.
If he hasn't been scared straight by now, he's unsalvageable. Having him sit out of the league once he's freed will not be a deterrent, aid his rehabilitation or do the NFL any good. Rather than slap Vick with a suspension, Goodell should slap him with a host of stipulations regarding his return to the league. Require Vick to work with animals, speak to kids about his troubles, etc. Treat Vick better than he treated his pit bulls.
 

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I think everyone is pro-second chances... at least when it's their butt on the line.
 

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I don't think the decision to let Vick back in the league needs to be made right now. He needs to serve his time first and then his case can be reviewed by the NFL once he is released. Things can change between now and then. There is hope that he straightens up and learns something from the ordeal he has put himself through. Then again he may not.
 

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Here is the question I would have. If Vick were a banker and he was convicted of embezzelment, would we cry for him to serve his time and then be given the opportunity to work in a bank upon his release?

If that is not the case, why then should we feel as if Goodell should be compleled to give him this chance? It's not my decision but I don't think the Commish should be forced into any certain way of thinking either.

There are other jobs in life. Vick will still be a relatively young man who has received a college degree from an acredited University. Are we saying that the only chance he has to lead a productive life in society is if he gets his job back with the bank?
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1601654 said:
Here is the question I would have. If Vick were a banker and he was convicted of embezzelment, would we cry for him to serve his time and then be given the opportunity to work in a bank upon his release?

If that is not the case, why then should we feel as if Goodell should be compleled to give him this chance? It's not my decision but I don't think the Commish should be forced into any certain way of thinking either.

There are other jobs in life. Vick will still be a relatively young man who has received a college degree from an acredited University. Are we saying that the only chance he has to lead a productive life in society is if he gets his job back with the bank?

I think there is an obvious difference between the relationship of stealing from your company (embezzlement) and playing football while dog fighting. Both hurt the company, but one is more direct than the other.

I agree with the other poster - I feel the league should be indefinite, to be reviewed at the time of Vick's release from prison.
 

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"Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being," White said.
He's right. Imus' defenders would probably say the same thing, and they would add that Imus didn't kill anything (human being or otherwise).

100% absolutely positively incorrect.

Could not possibly be more wrong.
 

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Crown Royal;1601682 said:
I think there is an obvious difference between the relationship of stealing from your company (embezzlement) and playing football while dog fighting. Both hurt the company, but one is more direct than the other.

I agree with the other poster - I feel the league should be indefinite, to be reviewed at the time of Vick's release from prison.


If it were just Dog Fighting, I might agree with you. However, gambling is a big no-no in pro sports. The question is, should Goodell be punished if he views this as reason enough to prevent Vick from playing?
 

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jackrussell;1601697 said:
100% absolutely positively incorrect.

Could not possibly be more wrong.

That's true. IMUS did much less and he paid for it with his job. That is a valid point.
 

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Crown Royal;1601682 said:
I think there is an obvious difference between the relationship of stealing from your company (embezzlement) and playing football while dog fighting. Both hurt the company, but one is more direct than the other.

I agree with the other poster - I feel the league should be indefinite, to be reviewed at the time of Vick's release from prison.


What? You're not going to tell everyone that you are a vegetarian...again! It seems like every post on this subject, you have to put in your opinion and then tell us you are a vegetarian! :confused:

Please edit your above post and say "but I'm a vegetarian"....
 

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5Stars;1601905 said:
What? You're not going to tell everyone that you are a vegetarian...again! It seems like every post on this subject, you have to put in your opinion and then tell us you are a vegetarian! :confused:

Please edit your above post and say "but I'm a vegetarian"....

:rolleyes:
 

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All indications are that Vick was involved for years, probably at least since he got into the league. How do you explain why someone should deserve a second chance when he spent YEARS doing all that? This was not a MISTAKE. It was a CONSCIOUS CHOICE he made and kept to it for at least 5-6 years. I see no reason to give him a second chance at all.
 

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burmafrd;1601937 said:
All indications are that Vick was involved for years, probably at least since he got into the league. How do you explain why someone should deserve a second chance when he spent YEARS doing all that? This was not a MISTAKE. It was a CONSCIOUS CHOICE he made and kept to it for at least 5-6 years. I see no reason to give him a second chance at all.

I see no reason to discuss it at all, not yet anyway. A second chance is earned, not given.
 

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burmafrd;1601937 said:
All indications are that Vick was involved for years, probably at least since he got into the league. How do you explain why someone should deserve a second chance when he spent YEARS doing all that? This was not a MISTAKE. It was a CONSCIOUS CHOICE he made and kept to it for at least 5-6 years. I see no reason to give him a second chance at all.


Things can change. Will it be for the better, or the worse? :confused:

But, if you learn a lesson, maybe, just maybe, you can redeem yourself...?

That's what humans do...
 

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I say ban him for 3 years from right now. At the end of those three years he will be evaluated. He must EARN his second chance- there are no gifts here.
 

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burmafrd;1601946 said:
I say ban him for 3 years from right now. At the end of those three years he will be evaluated. He must EARN his second chance- there are no gifts here.

I would do an indefinite ban, allowing him to file for reinstatement each year. Most definitely you deny it while he is in prison, and then just evaluate after that.
 

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Crown Royal;1601950 said:
I would do an indefinite ban, allowing him to file for reinstatement each year. Most definitely you deny it while he is in prison, and then just evaluate after that.


What is funny about this whole ordeal is...everyone is going to be better off than they were before (it has to be). Things do happen for a reason, and if this teaches a lesson to the whole world...what is wrong with that?

:confused:

It's all going to work out for the best...somehow, someway...it has to.
 

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5Stars;1601952 said:
What is funny about this whole ordeal is...everyone is going to be better off than they were before (it has to be). Things do happen for a reason, and if this teaches a lesson to the whole world...what is wrong with that?

:confused:

It's all going to work out for the best...somehow, someway...it has to.

I said it on another board, but got crucified for it.

The best thing that ever happened to dogfighting (and the eradication thereof) is Michael Vick. Seriously - who knew about or cared about dog fighting before hand? Now it has a public face, the public is knowledgeable about it, and the stigma against it is FAR harsher now than it was a year ago.

Hopefully it will bleed over into cockfighting, something that still isn't getting the attention it deserves.
 

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Crown Royal;1601956 said:
I said it on another board, but got crucified for it.

The best thing that ever happened to dogfighting (and the eradication thereof) is Michael Vick. Seriously - who knew about or cared about dog fighting before hand? Now it has a public face, the public is knowledgeable about it, and the stigma against it is FAR harsher now than it was a year ago.

Hopefully it will bleed over into cockfighting, something that still isn't getting the attention it deserves.


Exactely!


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I say with the service industry is booming, he'll always have carpet cleaning, or heck, even dog grooming.
 
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