Who are these guys?

[thunderpimp91]

I agree with you Rock. But my question is then, who do we have in place to be a “physical, win in the trenches” team? Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see the talent to be able to impose its will on opponents.

Maybe as some of the young guys develop like Booker and Bebee, or if Parsons can get signed and improve against stopping the run; or if we somehow get more talent to stop the run. Because right now, we don’t appear th have the horses to be what Schotty says he wants to be.

And you’re right that none of us know for sure about this team until well into the season.

Completely agree. Its great the vision that Schottenheimer has, but I don't know that we really went out and got the roster together to make the vision a reality which just sets your HC up to be the scapegoat once again. I think we are better than we were a season ago, but I really worry about this team in the trenches.

 

[Doomsday77]

Must be rhetorical I mean that's awful long to be A question that no one will have the answers to until the end of the season..

Have to take the roster you have and develop and tweak your system to make sure they're successful or at least have the ability to be the most successful...

I don't think they know that until they start playing When you're in real games in life situations against game plan defenses you'll find out what you do well and what you have to keep working on to do better.....

We don't even know who will be available week #1 so how would anyone including the coaches know what to expect. I think it's funny how the NFL eliminated a preseason game which the coaches always use to say they needed to see competition for roster spots. But as some poster mentioned recently, when you are not playing starters in these games is it really fair to judge the talent?

 

[DallasEast]

For their sakes, I hope Brian Schottenheimer can mold the team into his image and hope that image is much better than he has demonstrated in his coaching career before now. He can establish an atypical identify for the team IF he can transform it into a bona fide, championship contending version this franchise has not seen in decades.

This team can become Schotty's Guys if he can instill consistent proficiency and true grit into both his players and staff. That is an essential part for building any team into the best one in the league. Anything less will simply be another edition of Jerry's Guys a.k.a. sometimes good but not nearly good enough.

 

[sbark]

NY Giants said it 10 yrs ago.....we will force Dak to beat us. Top level teams still subscribe to this theory.

Teams will flash a safety up with 12 sec on snap clock, then drop hard or take away Ferg.

Dak will happily change play. Cd & Pickens will smile.

Our Def will give up early scores, then we have to pass into more garbage time stats.

 

[Rockport]

I agree with you Rock. But my question is then, who do we have in place to be a “physical, win in the trenches” team? Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see the talent to be able to impose its will on opponents.

Maybe as some of the young guys develop like Booker and Bebee, or if Parsons can get signed and improve against stopping the run; or if we somehow get more talent to stop the run. Because right now, we don’t appear th have the horses to be what Schotty says he wants to be.

And you’re right that none of us know for sure about this team until well into the season.

On offense they’ve got road graders:

Beebe 6’4” 335
Smith 6’6” 332
Booker 6’4” 321
Guyton 6’7” 322
Steele 6’6” 310

That’s not only some beef up front, but also some talent so I totally disagree on the offensive line side of the ball.

I’ll grant you the defensive line doesn’t look near as good on paper. We haven’t seen them on the field in a real game yet so the jury’s out. Maybe Toia 6’2” 342 will turn out to be a dude.

Not sure if you remember last year and how the defense struggled in the first have of the season stopping the run. As the season progressed past the half way point, the defense started playing much better against the run. Like something clicked as it was night and day better than the first half of the season. Turnovers seems to be a huge priority for this defense and if that plays out, it will help hide any DT weaknesses. No team is perfect and all of them have weaknesses they must deal with from game to game.

 

[DanTanna]

Who are we?

We are Jerry's Cowboys. The once proud Dallas Cowboys franchise died 30 years ago, when I was 31.

 

[5Stars]

My belief is always, the Dallas Cowboys are losers until further notice. I don't trust Dak, and Micah is nothing but a spoiled brat, and the coach looks funny.

 

[Blackrain]

Who are these guys it's easy to answer.
Their business men they are all businessmen and looking out for their best interest and how to make the most money out of the short window they have in their careers.
Who are these guys???
They are guys that are concerned about their contracts their social media being the highest paid at their position.
They are a group of guys that don't give a flying spit about winning a Super bowl.

You actually have to have strength of character to establish an identity.
This team has evolved into the Pillsbury doughboy of the NFL they are just plain soft exactly like their owner was when he started playing in Arkansas and needed Jimmy Johnson to toughen him up.
Well there's no Jimmy Johnson here to toughen up or organize this group.
But we got Shotty.

So we will just sit around the campfire sing kumbaya collect big paychecks and let the chips fall where they may

 

[blueblood70]

We don't even know who will be available week #1 so how would anyone including the coaches know what to expect. I think it's funny how the NFL eliminated a preseason game which the coaches always use to say they needed to see competition for roster spots. But as some poster mentioned recently, when you are not playing starters in these games is it really fair to judge the talent?

Exactly

so we are in agreement....

 

[dupree89]

and the coach looks funny.

 

[Redsfan_83]

We have no clue what this team is, same ole story for the last 10 years at minimum. We have 2 All-Pro WRs that will be counted upon to keep us in games, and after that? We have a bunch of question marks, injuries and hopes that throwing darts at a dart board will somehow hit the bullseye now and then.

I'm sure if we could backdate this Message Board to the same date over the last 5 or so years, threads would like identical to the ones we read daily on here

 

[OGSixshooter]

If you don’t know who you are as a team, if your leaders don’t have an identity that they stick with to draft and develop, how can you compete at a high level? The most successful teams in the NFL know exactly what they are trying to be and they acquire personnel to fit that philosophy.

So…Who are the 2025 Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? When we look at this team - especially on defense - I can’t for the life of me get a handle on what they are trying to be.

It’s no surprise. Third defensive coordinator in 3 years and fourth DC in 6 years. Mike Nolan in 2020 wanted position flex. Dan Quinn wanted big corners and a a monster pass rush. Mike Zimmer wanted…I don’t know. Matt Eberflus wants fundamentals; stopping the run and getting takeaways. Ok…how are we built to stop the run?

Offensively Schotty says he wants to run the ball. (Big Mac said that too) But who are we going to use to force the running game on anyone? Who have we acquired at RB to to be a great running team?

So who are these Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? And more importantly, do they have the players in place to be what they say they will be? Do we have a coaching staff in place that can get them there?

Who are these guys?

Welp...I broke my fast and I watched a bit of the documentary on Netflix. It takes 5 seconds to realize why that 90s team was great: They one and all reflected the hatred of losing that Jimmy had. I don't think he loved winning as much as he HATED losing. Jimmy's confession that it's not hard to cut a player - in his 80s - was enough for me.

Then you have Schotty. A guy who knows all the players names...probably their wives and kids too. He's got nicknames for all of them. But I don't see FEAR. I don't see a man instilling that hatred for losing on the team.

Who are they? Jerry's Kids.

 

[CowboyFrog]

NY Giants said it 10 yrs ago.....we will force Dak to beat us. Top level teams still subscribe to this theory.

Teams will flash a safety up with 12 sec on snap clock, then drop hard or take away Ferg.

Dak will happily change play. Cd & Pickens will smile.

Our Def will give up early scores, then we have to pass into more garbage time stats.

I have said everytime someone brings up "We will force them to pass" NO DC EVER SAID "We are gonna let them run the ball" not one.. every DC wonts to stop the run, some just cant see the Cowboys defense for the last how many ever years. When you can run the ball everything in the playbook opens up.

 

[Pipelayer72]

Unknown knowns or known unknowns?

 

[CowboyFrog]

If you don’t know who you are as a team, if your leaders don’t have an identity that they stick with to draft and develop, how can you compete at a high level? The most successful teams in the NFL know exactly what they are trying to be and they acquire personnel to fit that philosophy.

So…Who are the 2025 Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? When we look at this team - especially on defense - I can’t for the life of me get a handle on what they are trying to be.

It’s no surprise. Third defensive coordinator in 3 years and fourth DC in 6 years. Mike Nolan in 2020 wanted position flex. Dan Quinn wanted big corners and a a monster pass rush. Mike Zimmer wanted…I don’t know. Matt Eberflus wants fundamentals; stopping the run and getting takeaways. Ok…how are we built to stop the run?

Offensively Schotty says he wants to run the ball. (Big Mac said that too) But who are we going to use to force the running game on anyone? Who have we acquired at RB to to be a great running team?

So who are these Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? And more importantly, do they have the players in place to be what they say they will be? Do we have a coaching staff in place that can get them there?

Who are these guys?

Even if they can run the ball, if they can't play defense we are going to be in shout outs passing the ball....2014 and 2016 but this FO NEVER learns from their mistakes...

 

[cowboyec]

a LB driven defense that generates turn-overs.

offensively...hopefully balanced but its hard to tell this pre-season.

 

[NotForLong]

If you don’t know who you are as a team, if your leaders don’t have an identity that they stick with to draft and develop, how can you compete at a high level? The most successful teams in the NFL know exactly what they are trying to be and they acquire personnel to fit that philosophy.

So…Who are the 2025 Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? When we look at this team - especially on defense - I can’t for the life of me get a handle on what they are trying to be.

It’s no surprise. Third defensive coordinator in 3 years and fourth DC in 6 years. Mike Nolan in 2020 wanted position flex. Dan Quinn wanted big corners and a a monster pass rush. Mike Zimmer wanted…I don’t know. Matt Eberflus wants fundamentals; stopping the run and getting takeaways. Ok…how are we built to stop the run?

Offensively Schotty says he wants to run the ball. (Big Mac said that too) But who are we going to use to force the running game on anyone? Who have we acquired at RB to to be a great running team?

So who are these Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? And more importantly, do they have the players in place to be what they say they will be? Do we have a coaching staff in place that can get them there?

Who are these guys?

Les Misérables

 

[lukemartin79]

If you don’t know who you are as a team, if your leaders don’t have an identity that they stick with to draft and develop, how can you compete at a high level? The most successful teams in the NFL know exactly what they are trying to be and they acquire personnel to fit that philosophy.

So…Who are the 2025 Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? When we look at this team - especially on defense - I can’t for the life of me get a handle on what they are trying to be.

It’s no surprise. Third defensive coordinator in 3 years and fourth DC in 6 years. Mike Nolan in 2020 wanted position flex. Dan Quinn wanted big corners and a a monster pass rush. Mike Zimmer wanted…I don’t know. Matt Eberflus wants fundamentals; stopping the run and getting takeaways. Ok…how are we built to stop the run?

Offensively Schotty says he wants to run the ball. (Big Mac said that too) But who are we going to use to force the running game on anyone? Who have we acquired at RB to to be a great running team?

So who are these Dallas Cowboys? What are they trying to be? And more importantly, do they have the players in place to be what they say they will be? Do we have a coaching staff in place that can get them there?

Who are these guys?

I never have understood that either. Schotty says they are going to pound the football on the ground. Then they go dumpster diving to fill the RB position.
They make a trade for Pickens to give them a big upgrade at WR2. Thats great, but thats really a move you make if you are one or two players away from being a serious contender for the NFC crown. Delusional Jerry must think they are, lol - or else just figures Pickens will sell a lot of jerseys in his one season in Big D.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I never have understood that either. Schotty says they are going to pound the football on the ground. Then they go dumpster diving to fill the RB position.
They make a trade for Pickens to give them a big upgrade at WR2. Thats great, but thats really a move you make if you are one or two players away from being a serious contender for the NFC crown. Delusional Jerry must think they are, lol - or else just figures Pickens will sell a lot of jerseys in his one season in Big D.

Schotty doesn't determine what the team is that has been the problem for 30 years...the team isnt built to win its built to sell jerseys and media... the GM wants lightning rods not complete teams..

 

[Whyjerry]

On offense they’ve got road graders:

Beebe 6’4” 335
Smith 6’6” 332
Booker 6’4” 321
Guyton 6’7” 322
Steele 6’6” 310

That’s not only some beef up front, but also some talent so I totally disagree on the offensive line side of the ball.

I’ll grant you the defensive line doesn’t look near as good on paper. We haven’t seen them on the field in a real game yet so the jury’s out. Maybe Toia 6’2” 342 will turn out to be a dude.

Not sure if you remember last year and how the defense struggled in the first have of the season stopping the run. As the season progressed past the half way point, the defense started playing much better against the run. Like something clicked as it was night and day better than the first half of the season. Turnovers seems to be a huge priority for this defense and if that plays out, it will help hide any DT weaknesses. No team is perfect and all of them have weaknesses they must deal with from game to game.

Guyton's a road grader?