Who can we least afford to lose?

[AbeBeta]

We were running a 2 TE set with only 2 TEs on the roster.

And how many NTs did we have for running the 3-4?

 

[theogt]

And how many NTs did we have for running the 3-4?

2. Fergy and Ratliff.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm with abersonc on this. I think that if Stanley had shown a thing, we'd have kept him earlier.

The switch to a one-gap might help him since that's what he played in college, but still, he's shown absolutely nothing. I suspect the real reason we didn't make more of an effort to hold on to him before was a weak attitude or work ethic... Something along those lines. Parcells seemed to prefer his backup D-line to be almost like his backup OL -- a strong work ethic and lots of lunch pail weight room work was a must. I'm guessing Stanley didn't show that.

 

[Vintage]

I'm with abersonc on this. I think that if Stanley had shown a thing, we'd have kept him earlier.

The switch to a one-gap might help him since that's what he played in college, but still, he's shown absolutely nothing. I suspect the real reason we didn't make more of an effort to hold on to him before was a weak attitude or work ethic... Something along those lines. Parcells seemed to prefer his backup D-line to be almost like his backup OL -- a strong work ethic and lots of lunch pail weight room work was a must. I'm guessing Stanley didn't show that.

Its irrelevant what Parcells thought of him.

What Wade and Ireland have said is that with Ferguson, Ratliff, Stanley, Ola, and a couple of others, we have enough bodies in the middle for the one gap NT and that they like what they have, which is why they didn't address it or bring in someone like that huge guy that everyone was jerking off too.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Its irrelevant what Parcells thought of him.

What Wade and Ireland have said is that with Ferguson, Ratliff, Stanley, Ola, and a couple of others, we have enough bodies in the middle for the one gap NT and that they like what they have, which is why they didn't address it or bring in someone like that huge guy that everyone was jerking off too.

I didn't say that we should bring in more bodies. Where did you get that idea? I'm just talking about Stanley's chances.

And I wouldn't say Parcells' opinion of him is totally irrelevant. Parcells wanted his "potential"-type young backups to have a strong work ethic. That's not exactly a unique opinion among coaches.

 

[theogt]

I'm with abersonc on this. I think that if Stanley had shown a thing, we'd have kept him earlier.

The switch to a one-gap might help him since that's what he played in college, but still, he's shown absolutely nothing. I suspect the real reason we didn't make more of an effort to hold on to him before was a weak attitude or work ethic... Something along those lines. Parcells seemed to prefer his backup D-line to be almost like his backup OL -- a strong work ethic and lots of lunch pail weight room work was a must. I'm guessing Stanley didn't show that.

What about Parcell's mention that he showed improved over the 2006 season (when we re-signed him). Or the report that he's made "significant strides" in the off-season?

 

[AbeBeta]

Its irrelevant what Parcells thought of him.

Say what you want about Bill -- but for the most part when players left this team and everyone said "oh, it was a mistake to cut that guy," history showed Bill was right.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What about Parcell's mention that he showed improved over the 2006 season (when we re-signed him). Or the report that he's made "significant strides" in the off-season?

Wasn't the quote something like, "They must have done a better job with him than we did, because he looks better than he did when we had him."

I almost took that as a little jab at his own coaches more than a huge credit to Stanley.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just guessing along like everyone else. Obviously none of us knows too much about how he's coming along.

I will say this -- I bet Bowen is gone. Yes, kill me, but I think he was another New York/Hofstra Parcells project.

 

[Stautner]

My goodness, do you even know our players? Spencer isn't a "measurables" guy. There are certain guys that have amazing measurables but haven't produced on-field in college (see DeMarcus Ware, who produced but at a small level). Then there are guys who produce, but don't have the measurables. Spencer is the latter type. He didn't have amazing measurables. He wasn't amazingly fast for his body size. He didn't have the 11' broad jump, etc. But he produced on-field -- 90+ tackles, 26.5 TFL, etc.. That's why people liked him. He wasn't a "measurables" kind of guy.

Honestly, look into things before you start spouting **** out like you know something.

265 lbs, runs a 4.6 forty and bench presses 500 lbs ........ and you don't think he has outstanding measurables ........?

Seems like either YOU should get to know our guys or learn what levels are considered outstanding measurables.

And for the record - I never said his measurables were ALL that he had going for him, despite your feeble attempt to suggest it.

And nevertheless, you have picked out one shred of my words and COMPLETELY missed the actual point of my comment, which was that I have to see how a player performs on the field before being fully convinced of his abilities - THAT was the point, and it was obvious, but, again, you were so blinded by your need to try and discredit me that it flew right over your head.

And the first wave of bombs has been launched!!! :laugh2:

:starspin

Just remember who lobbed it first - although it was more like a watered down firecracker.

 

[arync]

Terry Glen or TO

 

[BouncingCheese]

My goodness, do you even know our players? Spencer isn't a "measurables" guy. There are certain guys that have amazing measurables but haven't produced on-field in college (see DeMarcus Ware, who produced but at a small level). Then there are guys who produce, but don't have the measurables. Spencer is the latter type. He didn't have amazing measurables. He wasn't amazingly fast for his body size. He didn't have the 11' broad jump, etc. But he produced on-field -- 90+ tackles, 26.5 TFL, etc.. That's why people liked him. He wasn't a "measurables" kind of guy.

Honestly, look into things before you start spouting **** out like you know something.

I think Spencer is a physical freak... Isn't he as fast as Jevon Kearse coming out of college, and stronger?

I think only that offensive lineman from texas tech (Manuel Ramirez I think) or someother had a larger benchpress, and that guy was 40-50 lbs more than Spencer. benching 500 lbs is not exactly something people see everyday is all I am saying.

Maybe I am confused there.

 

[Vintage]

Say what you want about Bill -- but for the most part when players left this team and everyone said "oh, it was a mistake to cut that guy," history showed Bill was right.

I wasn't criticising Parcells.

 

[jterrell]

I am glad there is some variety here.

I like that it is a toss up between a few folks after the QB who every team would cry to lose.
Put me down for Columbo.
I expect losing him would involve moving Davis to guard and plugging in a new guard.

 

[jterrell]

I think Spencer is a physical freak... Isn't he as fast as Jevon Kearse coming out of college, and stronger?

I think only that offensive lineman from texas tech (Manuel Ramirez I think) or someother had a larger benchpress, and that guy was 40-50 lbs more than Spencer. benching 500 lbs is not exactly something people see everyday is all I am saying.

Maybe I am confused there.

stronger but not as fast.

 

[theogt]

265 lbs, runs a 4.6 forty and bench presses 500 lbs ........ and you don't think he has outstanding measurables ........?

Seems like either YOU should get to know our guys or learn what levels are considered outstanding measurables.

And for the record - I never said his measurables were ALL that he had going for him, despite your feeble attempt to suggest it.

And nevertheless, you have picked out one shred of my words and COMPLETELY missed the actual point of my comment, which was that I have to see how a player performs on the field before being fully convinced of his abilities - THAT was the point, and it was obvious, but, again, you were so blinded by your need to try and discredit me that it flew right over your head.

Just remember who lobbed it first - although it was more like a watered down firecracker.

He didn't run a 4.6. He ran a 4.69 once but that is suspect. The majority of his other runs were in the 4.7s (and one was a 4.8).

Facts. They're good to have. Other than that his broad jump was mediocre. His vertical jump was poor. He's not a "measurables" type of guy. He's big and strong, that's for sure.

I think Spencer is a physical freak... Isn't he as fast as Jevon Kearse coming out of college, and stronger?

I think only that offensive lineman from texas tech (Manuel Ramirez I think) or someother had a larger benchpress, and that guy was 40-50 lbs more than Spencer. benching 500 lbs is not exactly something people see everyday is all I am saying.

Maybe I am confused there.

No, he's not. Not even close.

Look, I'm a huge Spencer fan. I was pimping the guy the entire off-season, wanting us to draft him. But he's not a "measurables" guy. In fact, there were about 10 or so DEs in this year's draft with better measurables.

 

[BouncingCheese]

I am glad there is some variety here.

I like that it is a toss up between a few folks after the QB who every team would cry to lose.
Put me down for Columbo.
I expect losing him would involve moving Davis to guard and plugging in a new guard.

Do you mean losing him would involve moving Davis to tackle and plugging in a new guard? If so you win the cake

Davis cannnot play tackle, and to be honest Davis possibly moving to tackle next offseason regardless really makes me nervous. The guy is simply too slow-footed to keep up with them. We overpaid for him as a guard, but he is too strong to handle inside.

Really, when it boils down to it, the offensive line is the most important "position" on the entire team. You simply can't win in this league IMHO on a consistent basis without a strong offensive line; and considering how important each lineman is, and how much they have to play and stay on the field, lineman really is the most important position.

 

[BouncingCheese]

He didn't run a 4.6. He ran in the 4.7s. Facts. They're good to have. Other than that his broad jump was mediocre. His broad jump was poor. He's not a "measurables" type of guy. He's big and strong, that's for sure.

No, he's not. Not even close.

Look, I'm a huge Spencer fan. I was pimping the guy the entire off-season, wanting us to draft him. But he's not a "measurables" guy. In fact, there were about 10 or so DEs in this year's draft with better measurables.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/spencer_anthony

Says here Spencer ran a 4.63 in the 40.

What was Kevon Kearse's 40 time?

Point taken about the broad jump; though I still think the guy is a beast physically.

 

[theogt]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/spencer_anthony

Says here Spencer ran a 4.63 in the 40.

What was Kevon Kearse's 40 time?

Point taken about the broad jump; though I still think the guy is a beast physically.

That is incorrect. At no time did he ever run a verified 4.63. Those numbers are from his pre-off-season school posted numbers, which never turn out to be correct.

Edit: By the way, that second "broad jump" was supposed to be "vertical jump was poor."

 

[Vintage]

Do you mean losing him would involve moving Davis to tackle and plugging in a new guard? If so you win the cake

Davis cannnot play tackle, and to be honest Davis possibly moving to tackle next offseason regardless really makes me nervous. The guy is simply too slow-footed to keep up with them. We overpaid for him as a guard, but he is too strong to handle inside.

Really, when it boils down to it, the offensive line is the most important "position" on the entire team. You simply can't win in this league IMHO on a consistent basis without a strong offensive line; and considering how important each lineman is, and how much they have to play and stay on the field, lineman really is the most important position.

Why would we ask Davis to move to RT?

We drafted Marten/Free, both whom are OT's. And we'd get to leave Davis at RG.

 

[Vintage]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/spencer_anthony

Says here Spencer ran a 4.63 in the 40.

What was Kevon Kearse's 40 time?

Point taken about the broad jump; though I still think the guy is a beast physically.

Which is irrelevant. Because I cannot think of a time when we'll ask Spencer to run 40 yards in a straight line in a t-shirt and mesh shorts.

I care about his 10 yard split, his strength measurables (which are impressive), agility tests, and broad jump for explosiveness.