Who else would just rather Ellis leave?

[Mr Cowboy]

Keep him. I just can't understand those of you who are so sure he will never be the same. If you so positive and knowledgeable, why haven't you made millions in the stock market?

Conversely, what makes you think he will come back and be the same average player he has always been? Factor age and the injury, and odds are he won't be near as good as he was before the injury.

Keeping Ellis most likely means having to keep another LB in case Ellis isn't ready. That could mean that we release a good DB, the third QB etc...........

If indeed this team is going to make a run we need all the horses we can ride.

If he was a horse, he would have been shot with this injury.

 

[CowboyJeff]

I'd place him on IR for the 2007 season. He should be recovered by the start of the 2008 season.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Keep him. I just can't understand those of you who are so sure he will never be the same. If you so positive and knowledgeable, why haven't you made millions in the stock market?

Ellis will cost us only $2.5M for this year. If he's able to come back, that's the best thing that could happen for us. Spencer isn't ready yet and Carpenter isn't Ellis. Ellis may only have played OLB position for half a year but he's spent almost 10 years in the NFL as a DE pass rusher & is smart enought to know/understand a lot. As media have frequently reported, he and LB coach have spent almost every day on the sidelines working/teaching Ware and Spencer about hand technique in pass rushing, etc. For all his whining Ellis continues to help our OLBers develop as much as he can.

Besides if Ellis is on the team when season opens, he is guaranteed his
$2.5M even if he's on IR. We certainly can't get any other OLB anywhere near as good as Ellis. Why don't you just keep your powder dry and exercise some patience? Believe it or not some of these old birds (over 30 types) actually are pretty good players.

Finally, I really hope Ellis realizes how much of a commitment the Cowboys are making to him. Many players at his age on other teams who suffer serious injuries and not healed when next season rolls around, often are simply cut and injury settlement given to them. He's darn lucky he plays for the Dallas Cowboys and I sure hope he realizes it soon. He may not get the big bucks he's after before his career is over, but he's also not going to be thrown out the door like a piece of garbage.

If ellis is good to go and can perform at a high level, I want him on this team. I don't care about his whining at all. I am worried about his ability to play the position at this point. If he doesn't get on the field soon and demonstrate that he can still play at a high level, I am not sure I would hold a roster spot for him. We are not talking a sprained ankle here. There has to be questions about his ability to cut, back peddle, and move in space with this injury. Those questions can only be answered by playing, something he has not done.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

only if he cannot return to form.....otherwise he will help this team!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Not me.

If he can still play we need all the help we can get rushing the QB.

 

[joseephuss]

Keeping Ellis does not keeping him as the starter. He could be a decent back up and insurance in case there are injuries to Spencer or Ware. I don't get why some hate Ellis. Sure he has whined, but he has also worked very hard at whatever the Cowboys have asked him to do. He has changed positions twice from 4-3 DE to 3-4 DE and then 3-4 OLB and rehabbed from a major injury. He has also stepped up to mentor a young man that is set to take his starting role. If people are going to change their opinion of Ellis due to some whining, then they aren't paying attention to everything else he has done for the franchise.

 

[kevwun]

I'm not expecting much out of him. Achilles injuries are bad. From what I've heard from people who had them, it never feels the same again. Remember Kevin Smith and Bryant Westbrook? They were cornerbacks, but a big part of Ellis' success was due to his agility.

 

[Wood]

I tuned Greg Ellis out weeks ago. He is coming back from one of the most serious injuries an athlete can have and he is no spring chicken. Even if he does come back....there is no way he will be the same (he can't even push off defender yet and start of season is 2 weeks away). My advice for everyone....is MOVE ON.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

I couldn't see us getting much for him. He's funny to listen to, might as well just keep him.

 

[AbeBeta]

Like it or not, Ellis is this teams 2nd best pass rusher. He's a guy who can really contribute. It may be a few weeks into the season before we can use him, but we will be better with him than without him.

And folks, spare me the "Spencer is the real deal" business. Expecting him to come in and dominate this year (or even next) is silly.

 

[aikemirv]

If he is not practicing by the last preseason game they should put him on PUP, save a roster space and have him come back near 100% in week 8 or 9 (whatever the PUP term is)

BY the way, a guy who is great against the run and a good pass rusher is better than average, but some seem to expect a guy taken in the 9th spot, when he was probably in essense a mid teen type talent, to perform like a top 5 pick. I guess I will never understand that thought process.

He gets blamed that he was: a position of need for the Cowboys, the best player left at that position, and his name is not Randy Moss.

By the way, look at the 1st round of the 1998 draft and name me 3 players that have had better careers than Ellis. I think you will find 3 and that is it. I contend that only Peyton Manning, Randy Moss and Fred Taylor would be the only ones that qualify (and Fred is very much a stretch with his injuries). He certainly has had as good of a career as Winstron who was picked 3 spots ahead.

 

[kevwun]

Greg Ellis was the 2nd best pass rusher on the team. He's not now and most likely will never be again. I think some of you are really under estimating how bad an achilles tear is.

 

[BARRYRAY]

I personally think he is dogging it like TO and will miraculously heal for the real season. People read too much into preeason, what does he have to prove, take his time, they aren't cutting him and he has no trade value, if he playes the second half/playoff run, sam as last year cept he played the first half..

 

[Doomsday101]

I personally think he is dogging it like TO and will miraculously heal for the real season. People read too much into preeason, what does he have to prove, take his time, they aren't cutting him and he has no trade value, if he playes the second half/playoff run, sam as last year cept he played the first half..

I don't know if he is dogging it or not I doubt it. I agree that Dallas does not intend on cutting him and he is not going to have much trade value at this stage. I think the only way we will know about what Ellis can or can't do any longer is once he is on the field engaged with a 300+ pound lineman and putting some real pressure on that achilles

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I don't know if he is dogging it or not I doubt it. I agree that Dallas does not intend on cutting him and he is not going to have much trade value at this stage. I think the only way we will know about what Ellis can or can't do any longer is once he is on the field engaged with a 300+ pound lineman and putting some real pressure on that achilles

How long do you think we wait to find out? If he isn't ready to go by the 2nd cut down, I think we should IR him or release him. I don't want to wait until 3-4 weeks into the season to find out if he can go or not.. if he can't then what? I think you have to put the good of the team before any personal feelings for the guy. If he can go.. great.. I think we are a better team with him. But I don't think we just can pin our hopes on a what if situation. He either gets out there and starts to show that he is ready or we need to move on.

 

[Doomsday101]

How long do you think we wait to find out? If he isn't ready to go by the 2nd cut down, I think we should IR him or release him. I don't want to wait until 3-4 weeks into the season to find out if he can go or not.. if he can't then what? I think you have to put the good of the team before any personal feelings for the guy. If he can go.. great.. I think we are a better team with him. But I don't think we just can pin our hopes on a what if situation. He either gets out there and starts to show that he is ready or we need to move on.

I agree he needs to get some time on the field to see how his injury responds. I think it is a fairly risky move waiting until the season to see if he can hold up.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I personally think he is dogging it like TO

:duck:

 

[joseephuss]

How long do you think we wait to find out? If he isn't ready to go by the 2nd cut down, I think we should IR him or release him. I don't want to wait until 3-4 weeks into the season to find out if he can go or not.. if he can't then what? I think you have to put the good of the team before any personal feelings for the guy. If he can go.. great.. I think we are a better team with him. But I don't think we just can pin our hopes on a what if situation. He either gets out there and starts to show that he is ready or we need to move on.

If Ellis was healthy he would be the starter. Then someone like Jr. Glymph would be the last LB on the roster. Probably not active on game day and probably not seeing much if any playing time. Now Ellis is not healthy, so why can't he be that last LB on the roster? He can sit inactive for game days while the Cowboys field healthy linebackers.

The Cowboys moving forward can still happen even with a less than 100% Ellis on the squad. His injury is not holding Dallas hostage. They can still make plans for the team if Ellis ends up not being available for the entire season. Whoever takes up his roster spot if he can't go at all will probably rarely see the field. The steps of replacing Ellis the starter are already in the works. Spencer and Carpenter will be called upon.

 

[Wood]

I second the notion that most fans do not understand the seriousness of an achillies injury. Even 110 year old Pat Summeral knew how devestating that injury is and stated such to Ellis. Again, Greg Ellis can't even push off a defender yet....and some still call him the teams 2nd best pass rusher. Yea ok....:abuseme:

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I say move on without him. With this injury he will never he his average self again.

:laugh2:
So true.

Why are we agonizing over some guy who is coming off a serious, long-term injury and isn't yet ready to practice?
Even Ellis says he's not there yet.
Let him coach. let him baby sit.
But, please, Jerra and Wade, let's move on.