Who from now - would fit in the '92 SB starting offense??

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bobtheflob;1768260 said:
I'd take Aikman for sure on that team, but that's more of a style thing. Aikman was good at making short, quick, accurate passes from the pocket to keep the defense honest. That wasn't a team built for a wild, improvising QB like Romo.

Conversely, Aikman wouldn't do as well with this offense as Romo.

Sometimes I honestly wonder how many people watched this team in the 90's. SHORT passes? Really? Man, the one thing that was amazing about Aikman is that he was so accurate in an offense that FEASTED on medium to medium deep range throws. They weren't running the WC offense.
 

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rcaldw;1768370 said:
Sometimes I honestly wonder how many people watched this team in the 90's. SHORT passes? Really? Man, the one thing that was amazing about Aikman is that he was so accurate in an offense that FEASTED on medium to medium deep range throws. They weren't running the WC offense.

I watched those teams and i will agree he was great on the short and intermediate game and pedestrian with the deep ball. That was the big discussion back then that Garrett threw a much nicer deep ball.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1768399 said:
I watched those teams and i will agree he was great on the short and intermediate game and pedestrian with the deep ball. That was the big discussion back then that Garrett threw a much nicer deep ball.

He did and so did Beurlein when he took over for Aikman in 1991. But Aikman was not bad at it.
 

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tyke1doe;1768424 said:
Romo over Aikman? :confused:

Guys, put away the anointing oil.

Granted Id rather see what he can do over the course of a season but Romo is on pace to annhilate Aikmans best year.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1768175 said:
Witten over Novacek, Davis over Gesek, James and Ware over Smith and Jones, Newman over Holt/Brown, Adams over Tuinei, TO over Harper.

I think that's a very good list, but I'd think twice about replacing Tuinei. I think Tuinei was and is underrated. If I remember right, he pretty much owned Bruce Smith when Bruce Smith was in his prime.

[and I don't recall Tuinei having many presnap penalties :) ]
 

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In my opinion, comparing the '92 starters against their '07 counterparts is the best method for answering this question. For instance, "would Owens make the team?" is not the most appropriate question. A better question is, "could Owens beat out his '92 counterpart, Michael Irvin?"

Using this logic, I answer thusly:

Jason Witten starts over Jay Novacek.

Terry Glenn starts over Alvin Harper.

Leonard Davis starts over Kevin Gogan.

Flozell Adams starts over Mark Tuinei.

Demarcus Ware starts over Vinson Smith.

Brady James starts over Robert Jones.

Terence Newman starts over Kevin Smith or Larry Brown.

Nick Folk starts over Lin Elliot.

Mat McBriar starts over Mike Saxon.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1768399 said:
I watched those teams and i will agree he was great on the short and intermediate game and pedestrian with the deep ball. That was the big discussion back then that Garrett threw a much nicer deep ball.

If Jason Garrett was ever put into the same breath with Troy Aikman, with any kind of seriousness, then it just demonstrates the expertise of those who were trying to evaluate Aikman's game. i.e., they were football dumb.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1768399 said:
I watched those teams and i will agree he was great on the short and intermediate game and pedestrian with the deep ball. That was the big discussion back then that Garrett threw a much nicer deep ball.

which is incredibly wrong

some of you people act like he didnt complete any of the long throws, when in actuality he hit alot of long ones to Irvin and Harper...the long pass downfield is the least accurate throw of any pass for ANY QB...nobody completes 65-70% of passes that go 30-40+ yds in the air

go back and look at Irvin and Harper's number of long plays, and there are tons of highlights of each of them catching bombs

David
 

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jchocolate82;1768340 said:
This comment should be sacrilage. I love me some Romo but come on show some respect to our greats that have made accomplishments in they're career. Not to say Romo wont get to that point in his career but no way Romo's name should be placed in these debates just yet.


Who
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rcaldw;1768615 said:
If Jason Garrett was ever put into the same breath with Troy Aikman, with any kind of seriousness, then it just demonstrates the expertise of those who were trying to evaluate Aikman's game. i.e., they were football dumb.

dbair1967;1768700 said:
which is incredibly wrong

some of you people act like he didnt complete any of the long throws, when in actuality he hit alot of long ones to Irvin and Harper...the long pass downfield is the least accurate throw of any pass for ANY QB...nobody completes 65-70% of passes that go 30-40+ yds in the air

go back and look at Irvin and Harper's number of long plays, and there are tons of highlights of each of them catching bombs

David

Its really quite simple guys. I know that you have a little shrine to Troy there in your house in all but if Aikmans pass was on a rope there is perhaps not a prettier ball in the history of the NFL.

If he had to loft it not so much. its my opinion and i remember him missing Irvin, Harper, Williams, KMart etc becasue of it. OMG hes not perfect. :tantrum:

And i beleive it was Laufenberg that said it but of course what does that guy know?
 

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ZeroClub;1768511 said:
I think that's a very good list, but I'd think twice about replacing Tuinei. I think Tuinei was and is underrated. If I remember right, he pretty much owned Bruce Smith when Bruce Smith was in his prime.

[and I don't recall Tuinei having many presnap penalties :) ]

And then there is the whole thing that Tui was a lynchpin to that oline for the better part of the 90s.

Oline continuity is huge. Smith was just the kind of player that Adams can handle but Tui played on every single SB team of the 90s.
 

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Aikman was definitely mediocre (actually below NFL average) at throwing the deep ball (high loft) early in his career. He improved througout his career but it was never a strength of his.
 

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Witten vs Novachek are like 1a verse 1b. You just can't go wrong. I'd go with Novachek. Same with Michael Irvin vs TO - I'd take Michael Irvin, but TO would make a fine #2. :)

But when you put things this way, I'd honestly have to say no one on the offensive side of the ball would replace anyone from the '92 team.
 

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Glenn over Harper is an easy one. So is Tnew. Mcbriar and folk. Bigg over Gogan. Tui and Adams- that is a tough one. On his best days Adams is better but tui was much more consistant. For one game I would take Adams- for a whole season tui. Ware and James are better then any of our LBs back then except Norton. Ware could also play DE. James, though, I do not think is good enough to play outside so Norton would stay in the middle.
 

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TheSkaven;1769001 said:
Witten vs Novachek are like 1a verse 1b. You just can't go wrong. I'd go with Novachek. Same with Michael Irvin vs TO - I'd take Michael Irvin, but TO would make a fine #2. :)

But when you put things this way, I'd honestly have to say no one on the offensive side of the ball would replace anyone from the '92 team.

Exactly.
 

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Looks like I need to upload some of my 90s Cowboys footage for some folks to watch.

He would START over Tony Romo.

For that to even be discussed is crazy.

- Mike G.
 

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TheSkaven;1769001 said:
Witten vs Novachek are like 1a verse 1b. You just can't go wrong. I'd go with Novacek. Same with Michael Irvin vs TO - I'd take Michael Irvin, but TO would make a fine #2. :)
Witten is flat out a better overall player than Novacek both receiving and blocking and it's not even close. Novacek had a single season with 700+ yards. His last and it was 705. Except for Witten's rookie year, he hasn't had one with less than 750+ yards. Michael Irvin would be demoted to #2 and TO would be your #1. He has better overall skills. He is a possession and a big play receiver. TO had the speed that Irvin lacked.
TheSkaven;1769001 said:
But when you put things this way, I'd honestly have to say no one on the offensive side of the ball would replace anyone from the '92 team.
I think I would take Gurode over Step, Crayton over Martin, and Glenn over Alvin Harper. The only reason I wouldn't take TO over Irvin is because when Irvin decided he wasn't going to be denied, he wasn't.
 
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