Who has a better backfield than the Cowboys?

[ravidubey]

Ladanian Tomlinson [BEST IN THE LEAGUE] and Darryl Sproles [GOOD ENOUGH TO SPELL LT]

Priest Holmes [INJURED, LOST EXTRA GEAR] and Larry Johnson [STIFF]

Ricky Williams [TICKING BOMB] and Ronnie Brown [THE BOMB]

Marshall Faulk [EXCELLENT BUT OLD] and Stephen Jackson [SOLID]

Edgerin James [GREAT] and Domonic Rhodes [ORDINARY] and James Mungro [AVERAGE] (Anthony Davis)

Duce Staley [FADING FAST] and Jerome Bettis [FADING FASTER] and Verron Hayes [WHO?]

Curtis Martin [AWESOME, BUT TICK TICK TICK] and Derrick Blaylock [OK]

Willis McGahee [FANTASTIC] and Travis Henry [BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT](for now)

Carnell Williams [ROOKIE OF THE YEAR] and Michael Pittman [SOLID] and Charlie Garner [EXCELLENT USED SPARINGLY]

Deshaun Foster [FIRST AID PLEASE] and Stephen Davis [PAST IT] and Nick Goings [ONE YEAR WONDER?]

Warrick Dunn [LIGHTNING, but LIGHT] and TJ Duckett [THUNDER but SLOW]

Michael Bennett [INJURY PRONE and TOO SKINNY] and Mewelde Moore [OK] and Moe Williams [DESIGNATED DIVER] and Onterrio Smith [PUFF](not this year)

Ahman Green [GREAT, BUT FUMBLES AND NO RIVERA OR WAHLE] and Najeh Davenport [FB]

Thomas Jones [BACKUP] and Cedric Benson [STUD]

Rudi Johnson [VERY GOOD] and Chris Perry [?]

Bryan Westbrook [REALLY A 3rd DOWN GUY] and Correl Buckhalter [INJURED TWICE AND HAS NEVER DONE A THING] and Ryan Moats[WILL BE #1 BEFORE LONG]

Julius Jones [ELECTRIFYING], Anthony Thomas [BETTER LEARN TO BLOCK], Marion Barber III [GOOD ENOUGH TO COMPETE FOR STARTING CARRIES]

 

[Tricky-22]

Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown

Marshall Faulk and Stephen Jackson

Edgerin James and Domonic Rhodes and James Mungro (Anthony Davis)

Duce Staley and Jerome Bettis and Verron Hayes

Curtis Martin and Derrick Blaylock

Willis McGahee and Travis Henry (for now)

Carnell Williams and Michael Pittman and Charlie Garner

Deshaun Foster and Stephen Davis and Nick Goings

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett

Michael Bennett and Mewelde Moore and Moe Williams and Onterrio Smith (not this year)

Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport

Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson

Rudi Johnson and Chris Perry

Bryan Westbrook and Correl Buckhalter and Ryan Moats

Touche'

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Since Tatum's original comment was about potential..my vote is actually for the Cleveland stable of Suggs, Green, and Droughn.

Really want to see what Mo Carthon can do with these guys.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

Agreed.

Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown

I'd take our backfield. Can you really rely on Williams? Is he even back, for sure?

Marshall Faulk and Stephen Jackson

Agreed.

Edgerin James and Domonic Rhodes and James Mungro (Anthony Davis)

I'd take our backfield. James gets carried by the O-Line and Manning. Can't break the big ones any more. Dominic Rhodes and Mungro aren't better than the A-Train and if Barber lives halfway to his hype he'd probably be as good and Rhodes and Mungro.

Duce Staley and Jerome Bettis and Verron Hayes

Honestly, I'd take our backfield. Staley is really a receiving back and once you start trying to pound the ball with him, he gets injured. Bettis may still retire and was carried by the O-Line last year. Hayes is solid, but I don't think he's much better than Barber sans experience.

Curtis Martin and Derrick Blaylock

I'll give you Martin, but Blaylock is an average third down back.

Willis McGahee and Travis Henry (for now)

Slight edge Buffalo. Have to see how McGahee pans out long term.

Carnell Williams and Michael Pittman and Charlie Garner

Slight edge Dallas. Have to see how Cadillac pans out.

Deshaun Foster and Stephen Davis and Nick Goings

No way. Davis and Foster's careers are just about done. Going still didn't average over 4.0 yards per carry.

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett

I'll give it to the Falcons based on last year. Back in 2003 I would've said no way.

Michael Bennett and Mewelde Moore and Moe Williams and Onterrio Smith (not this year)

Agreed.

Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport

No. Green may be better than Julius, but Davenport isn't better than the A-Train, plus they have nobody to compete with Barber.

Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson

See my Green Bay quote. Many considered the A-Train to be better than Jones last year. Benson may be a bust as the scouts ripped him come the combine.

Rudi Johnson and Chris Perry

I'm really not convinced that Johnson is better than Julius. They are already thinking Perry is a bust in Cincinnati.

Bryan Westbrook and Correl Buckhalter and Ryan Moats

Depends on Buckhalter and how he comes back from injury. I'll give the advantage of Westbrook for now and say Barber = Moats.


Rich.....

 

[dargonking999]

Actually, I like the way JJ has stepped up his game. Now that could be attributed 100% towadr JJ or somewhere around 50% JJ and 50% OL stepping Up their game. This year will answer a Lot of those questions about both.

more like 65-35 no RB can be great if he doesnt have a decent OL blocking for him, we were showed that last year, whne JJ was constantly juking players in the backfield, if JJ is to have a succesful season the OL needs to really "step up", not what they did last year.

 

[royhitshard]

Me too, and I can wear my Ron Mexico jersey with pride.

:laugh1:

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

more like 65-35 no RB can be great if he doesnt have a decent OL blocking for him, we were showed that last year, whne JJ was constantly juking players in the backfield, if JJ is to have a succesful season the OL needs to really "step up", not what they did last year.

Agree. I Just said 50-50 because I didn't want to draw implications either way. That's so easily done without effort because of my team affiliation. No doubt, the OL is the heart of the offense. So I think we may be saying the same thing, just at different percentage rates.

I said it before, I like how JJ runs the ball; I'm just not sure he's the answer to your offense.

Yeah, so we'll see this year.

 

[Tio]

What would make you think he isn't the answer. I trust him as much as any back that is not elite, including your "running"back westbrook.

 

[Fletch]

He could be the baddest RB in the land if he gave up QB.

Seriously doubt that. He is too injury prone. It's easier as a QB when the defense is spread out chasing WR's and TE's to scramble around and then take off for 15 to 20 yard gains. As a RB he would have to hit the hole between the tackles and would get broke in half. :anvil:

 

[dargonking999]

Agree. I Just said 50-50 because I didn't want to draw implications either way. That's so easily done without effort because of my team affiliation. No doubt, the OL is the heart of the offense. So I think we may be saying the same thing, just at different percentage rates.

I said it before, I like how JJ runs the ball; I'm just not sure he's the answer to your offense.

Yeah, so we'll see this year.

Not the answer look at the last half of the season, and wat JJ did to the team, OT win agianst the sehawks jsut to name one. JJ put a spark in this offense without him, we become one dimensional he IS the heart of our offense IMO.

 

[kartr]

Does Vick even have the frame to play running back?

I think scrambling is to his advantage, but I see him being broken up as a running back. He doesn't have a low center of gravity, which you need if you're a small back.

Besides, running backs generally have to burst through small holes to sprint to daylight, which means they have to break tackles or will be in violent collisions at the line. At QB, Vick has running lanes not available to running backs.

Just my take.

Vick wouldn't last a year as a running back, not tough enough,not big enough.

 

[kartr]

I'm sorry but I can't agree with a lot of those.

#1 Larry Johnson isn't nearly as accomplished as A-train.
#2 Ronnie Brown hasn't taken a single snap in the nfl, and Ricky has been out of the game for a year, and his final season wasn't nearly as impressive as his previous ones.
#3 Marshall Faulk is aging, and Stephen Jackson hasn't proven much yet.

I disagree with almost all of them, but im tired already.

Julius Jones ranked 28th overall playing less than half of a season... and coming off of an injury in his rookie year...

Ranked 5th in yards per games

What's a Galian Beast?

 

[kartr]

I'm a Vick fan, and like him a lot. And I have never played FF. But if I did, I would still take Manning over Vick. While I expect Vick to improve his passing quite a bit, Manning is already a HOF QB. He is a passing touchdown machine, which, if I remember correctly, is the best way for QBs to earn points.

If all you consider is td passes and you think Manning is a HOF, what does that make Brady.

 

[kartr]

As good as our runners appear on paper, they still have some questions to answer before becoming a top-tier unit.

Can Julius stay healthy and produce at that same level over a 16-game season? As good as Marion Barber seems, how many fourth rounders have we had work out the last few years? He still has to show he can play at this level. And Anthony Thomas just has to prove he can make the team and isn't this year's version of Eddie George (after all, Thomas averaged under 4.0 yards per carry last year).

Hey, there's a ton of upside with this group. But to be the best, you've got to have already proven it in my book. And since two of our three runners weren't even here last year, they've hardly proven they can play effectively together.

Our backs have much fewer questions than our Qb's do.

 

[Tio]

If all you consider is td passes and you think Manning is a HOF, what does that make Brady.

Uhh, he stated manning is a TD machine, and touchdowns are the best way to earn ponts in FF. THat is why he wanted manning.

 

[kartr]

Vick does get sacked alot. An awefull lot. Thus proving what myself and several others have known for years. When it comes to taking sacks mobility is VERY overated. Its not so much mobility when it comes to taking sacks but KNOWING when to get rid of the ball, finding the HOT reciever, being able to proccess all this info and get rid of the ball in under 2 secs, all while under duress. Its alot more to do with the head then the feet. Some of the least sacked dudes in the NFL are guys like Brad Johnson with virtually no mobility. I looked it up myself on a stat site and was somewhat shocked to say the least.

Is McNabbs mobility over-rated? Who got to the superbowl first,Manning or McNabb? Is Manning better able to process info against the Patriots than McNabb? If McNabb is all feet and no brain, then his feet must run faster than Manning thinks? But seriously dude, look at your comparisons. You're comparing Vick to Manning when Manning has played 3-4 more years than Vick. Why not compare Manning to McNabb;their playing time is more equal. It takes time to learn to play QB. Was Brad Johnson any better than Vick when he was Vick's age. No. Of course not, he was considered a journey-man until 5 year ago,just like Gannon. Give Vick and the other mobile qb's the same amount of time before judging them. McNabb is a much better qb now than he was 5 years ago, so we know there's no unwritten rule that mobile qbs can't think too. Elway,Young,Cunningham are mobile qbs who improved with time.

 

[Hostile]

Uhh, he stated manning is a TD machine, and touchdowns are the best way to earn ponts in FF. THat is why he wanted manning.

Does the word "fly by" mean anything to you? Well, that one will do a fly by.

 

[Crown Royal]

Uhh, he stated manning is a TD machine, and touchdowns are the best way to earn ponts in FF. THat is why he wanted manning.

That's what I meant. He is crossing his agenda with mine, thus confusing the issue.

 

[blindzebra]

Is McNabbs mobility over-rated? Who got to the superbowl first,Manning or McNabb? Is Manning better able to process info against the Patriots than McNabb? If McNabb is all feet and no brain, then his feet must run faster than Manning thinks? But seriously dude, look at your comparisons. You're comparing Vick to Manning when Manning has played 3-4 more years than Vick. Why not compare Manning to McNabb;their playing time is more equal. It takes time to learn to play QB. Was Brad Johnson any better than Vick when he was Vick's age. No. Of course not, he was considered a journey-man until 5 year ago,just like Gannon. Give Vick and the other mobile qb's the same amount of time before judging them. McNabb is a much better qb now than he was 5 years ago, so we know there's no unwritten rule that mobile qbs can't think too. Elway,Young,Cunningham are mobile qbs who improved with time.

Vick's first 43 games:

955 passing ATT, 6619 yards, 36 TDs

302 rushes, 2234, 13 TDs

3.2 to 1 pass to run ratio

Elway's first 42 games:

1244, 8152, 47 TDs

135, 636, 2 TDs

9.2 to 1 pass to run his career ratio is 9.4 to 1

Cunningham's first 49 games:

1256, 8533, 56 TDs

264, 1874, 14 TDs

4.8 to 1 pass to run his career ratio 5.5 to 1

Young's first 48:

763, 5468, 32 TDs

205, 1158, 10 TDs

3.7 to 1 his career ratio is 5.8 to 1

* Young's numbers are skewed because he was not a starter for much of those 48 games.