Who should be next?

[tyke1doe]

Jimmy WILL NOT get in. Only 2 rings and he had little success at Miami.

His Miami success really shouldn't be a factor. As I've said before, the question for induction into the Hall should be this: Can you talk about NFL history and NOT talk about this person (in a positive light, of course)?

You CANNOT talk about NFL history and omit what Jimmy Johnson (a college coach with NO NFL experience) did in building a DYNASTY.

That's Hall of Fame material, if you ask me. Longevity shouldn't be the only criterion. (See Gale Sayers, Vinny Testeverde, Drew Bledsoe and Joe Namath, for examples.)

 

[THUMPER]

Here is the list I made a few years ago:

Cowboys players that SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame (or at least considered)

Player Name - Years Played (with Dallas) – Pro Bowls Appeared In – All Pro

Don Perkins, RB: 8 Years - 6 Pro Bowls 61-63, 66-68 - All Pro (1) 62
1500 carries, 6217 yards, 4.1 avg., 42 TDs
Was 5th All-Time in rushing yards when he retired and is still 3rd for the Cowboys behind Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett.

Chuck Howley, LB: 13 Years - 6 Pro-Bowls 65-69, 71 - All Pro (5) 63, 67-70
25 INTs and 17 fumbles recovered.

John Niland, OG: 9 Years - 6 Pro-Bowls 68-73 - All Pro (3) 69, 71-72

Cliff Harris, DB: 10 Years - 6 Pro-Bowls 74-75, 77-79 – All Pro (4) 75-78
29 INTs and 15 fumbles recovered. HoF finalist in 2004.

Nate Newton, OG: 13 Years - 6 Pro Bowls 92-96, 98 – All Pro (2) 94-95

George Andrie, DE: 11 Years - 5 Pro Bowls 65-69 – All Pro (0)
Led the Cowboys in sacks 4 straight years from 64-67.
He totaled 57 sacks in those 4 years but I can find no career total for him.

Cornell Green, DB: 13 Years – 5 Pro Bowls 65-67, 71-72 – All Pro (3) 67-69
34 INTs

Lee Roy Jordan, LB: 14 Years – 5 Pro Bowls 67-69, 73-74 – All Pro (2) 67, 73
32 INTs and 16 fumbles recovered. Was the Cowboys all-time leading tackler until Darren Woodson passed him.

Jay Novacek, TE: 7 Years – 5 Pro Bowls 91-95 – All Pro (2) 91-92
339 receptions, 3576 yards, 10.5 avg., 22 TDs for the Cowboys.
Played 5 years with the Cardinals before coming to Dallas as part of the “Plan-B” free agency.
422 receptions, 4630 yards, 10.9 avg., 30 TDs career totals.

Darren Woodson, DB: 12 Years – 5 Pro Bowls 94-98 – All Pro (3) 94-96
23 INTs, 11 sacks, and is the Cowboys’ All-Time leading tackler.

Calvin Hill, RB: 6 Years – 4 Pro Bowls 69, 72-74 – All Pro (2) 69, 73
1166 carries, 5009 yards, 4.3 avg., 39 TDs.
Played another 6 years with other teams.

Harvey Martin, DE: 11 Years – 4 Pro Bowls 76-79 – All Pro (1) 77
Unofficially credited with 113 career sacks, a Cowboys record.

Pat Donovan, OT: 9 Years - 4 Pro Bowls 79-82 - All Pro (0)

Everson Walls, DB: 9 Years – 4 Pro Bowls 81-83, 85 – All Pro (3) 82-83, 85
44 INTs (as a Cowboy + another 13 with other teams).

Erik Williams, OT: 10 Years – 4 Pro Bowls 93, 96-97, 99 – All Pro (2) 93, 95
Was considered the best OL in the game until a car accident in 1994.

Ed Jones, DE: 15 Years – 3 Pro Bowls 81-83 – All Pro (2) 81-82
Unofficially credited with 106 career sacks.
Must hold the record for batted passes but they don’t keep track of them.

Drew Pearson, WR: 11 Years – 3 Pro Bowls 74, 76-77 – All Pro (3) 74, 76-77
489 receptions, 7822 yards, 16.0 avg., 48 TDs.
Famous for the 1975 “Hail Mary” catch that put us in the SB.

Charlie Waters, DB: 11 Years – 3 Pro Bowls 76-78 – All Pro (2) 77-78
41 INTs in the regular season plus 9 more in the playoffs.
Blocked 4 punts in 2 successive games.
Played in all 5 of the Cowboys SBs in the 70s.

Tony Hill, WR: 10 Years – 3 Pro Bowls 78-79, 85 - All Pro (0)
479 receptions, 7988 yards, 16.7 avg., 51 TDs

Herb Scott, OG: 10 Years – 3 Pro Bowls 79-81 – All Pro (2) 80-81

Ralph Neely, OT: 13 Years – 2 Pro Bowls 67, 69 – All Pro (3) 67-69

I realize that most of these guys will never even be mentioned by the HoF committee but the top-10 listed should be already in and the rest should at least be considered. The first 10 on my list compare very well with players from other teams (of their era) that are in.

How do these nitwits think we won all those games back then anyway? 20 consecutive winning seasons! 5 SB appearances! 8 NFL/NFC Championship games! Landry must have been the greatest coach of all-time by a wide margin I guess. :bang2:

 

[DallasEast]

Big E won't make it. He needed longevity, especially as an offensive lineman. His accident didn't help him and derailed his career and Hall of Fame chances.

Lee Roy Jordan should be in. I doubt Drew Pearson will get in. Too many wide receivers yet to go in and with Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, Jerry Rice and a host of others still waiting to get in, Pearson won't sniff a Hall of Fame induction.

I fear that's it for the "old school" Cowboys. With Emmitt, Allen, (Haley maybe), Deion Sanders (mercenary who will likely go in as a Cowboy) set for induction and T.O. and possibly Ware and Witten if they keep up with the Pro Bowls and numbers, I doubt we're going to see any more old time Cowboys in the Hall of Fame.

As much as I hate to admit it, you're mostly like more right than wrong. The more likely route for the 60's and 70's Cowboys for enshrinement will be through the Seniors Committee and Dallas is losing one of the main proponents for truly deserving players from that committee: Paul Zimmerman.

As Mrs. Hester mentioned during her acceptance speech during the Pro Football Hall of Fame announcement, Mr. Zimmerman is in poor health. He suffered yet another stroke and will give up his seat to Bob Glauber of Newsday. Zimmerman fought hard to get Hayes and other Cowboys greats into the Hall. Hopefully, Glauber will take up the same cause.
:crossed:

 

[DallasEast]

Here are a few comments which AdamJT13 and I made last May -

Chosen by the Hall of Fame selection members for the 1970's All-Decade Team:

Bobby Bell, Willie Brown, Terry Bradshaw, Dick Butkus, Earl Campbell, Dave Casper, Joe DeLamielleure, Dan Dierdorf, Carl Eller, Joe Greene, John Hannah, Jack Ham, Franco Harris, Ted Hendricks, Ken Houston, Jimmy Johnson, Jim Langer, Jack Lambert, Larry Little, Bob Lilly, Merlin Olsen, Walter Payton, Alan Page, Charlie Sanders, Art Shell, O.J. Simpson, Roger Staubach, Lynn Swann, Gene Upshaw, Paul Warfield, Mike Webster, Roger Wehrli, Larry Wilson, Rayfield Wright, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood, Dick Anderson, Jim Bakken, Robert Brazile, Harold Carmichael, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Cliff Harris, Harvey Martin, Drew Pearson, Ken Stabler, Louis Wright and Garo Yepremian.

Elected by the Hall of Fame selection members FOR the Hall:

Bobby Bell, Willie Brown, Terry Bradshaw, Dick Butkus, Earl Campbell, Dave Casper, Joe DeLamielleure, Dan Dierdorf, Carl Eller, Joe Greene, John Hannah, Jack Ham, Franco Harris, Ted Hendricks, Ken Houston, Jimmy Johnson, Jim Langer, Jack Lambert, Larry Little, Bob Lilly, Merlin Olsen, Walter Payton, Alan Page, Charlie Sanders, Art Shell, O.J. Simpson, Roger Staubach, Lynn Swann, Gene Upshaw, Paul Warfield, Mike Webster, Roger Wehrli, Larry Wilson, Rayfield Wright, Ron Yary and Jack Youngblood.

Excluded STILL by the Hall of Fame selection members FROM the Hall:

Dick Anderson, Jim Bakken, Robert Brazile, Harold Carmichael, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Cliff Harris (Cowboy), Harvey Martin (Cowboy), Drew Pearson (Cowboy), Ken Stabler, Louis Wright and Garo Yepremian.

'nuff said.

Other than the kickers, only two of those exclusions were named to the first-team All-Decade Team for the 1970s --

Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris.

Sure, there's no bias at all.

There are 22 position players who were named FIRST TEAM All-Decade for the 1970s. Twenty of them are in the Hall of Fame. The other two are Cliff Harris and Drew Pearson.

Meanwhile, SECOND-TEAMERS at their positions have been voted in before them.

 

[THUMPER]

The truly sad part is that the "1970s All Decade Team" was decided on by the very people who make up the selection committee! Yet they exclude two STARTERS from the team THEY made up!

They are either freakin morons or anti-Cowboys, there's no other alternative. (Actually, they are both.)

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

I'll hold off on my usual 7 head-bangs and just give 6 because they did finally select Bob Hayes for enshrinement.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Howley and Harris for sure, the rest were very good players but I don't know if they were HOF's. Drew Pearson should be in the Ring of Honor, hopefully he's next.

 

[ReturnToGlory]

Emmitt Smith, Larry Allen and Deion Sanders will definitely get in.

The questions are

The Moose, Woodson and Charles Haley. Maybe Newton, Novacek?

Charles Haley might be tough because he is the Barry Bonds of football. the media hates him. Haley though was the best big game rusher of the 90s. Out played Reggie White and Bruce Smith every time we played them.

Old School
Chuck Howley - As Dr. Z puts it, the best coverage LB of his time.
Cliff Harris
Lee Roy Jordan

Long shots
Drew Pearson
Harvey Martin

But more importantly - PUT THESE GUYS IN THE RING OF HONOR, DAMN IT!
Heck, put Bill Bates in.

 

[DallasEast]

The truly sad part is that the "1970s All Decade Team" was decided on by the very people who make up the selection committee! Yet they exclude two STARTERS from the team THEY made up!

They are either freakin morons or anti-Cowboys, there's no other alternative. (Actually, they are both.)

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

I'll hold off on my usual 7 head-bangs and just give 6 because they did finally select Bob Hayes for enshrinement.

:signmast: That's been my argument for years.

Howley and Harris for sure, the rest were very good players but I don't know if they were HOF's. Drew Pearson should be in the Ring of Honor, hopefully he's next.

Pearson has two obstacles:

1. Jerry Jones. In my (and other observers) opinion, Jones took great offense to Pearson trademarking the Ring Of Honor and attempting to dictate its use to him. I think that Jones seriously contemplates his every move (don't laugh Bach). Jones "admitted" that Bob Hayes was one of his favorite players. Yet, it took him 12 years to induct Hayes into the Ring Of Honor. Knowing that, how is he going to c-o-n-t-i-n-u-e treating Pearson?
2. Pearson's only chance (in my opinion) will be through the Seniors Committee. If Dr. Z was still sitting on it, I would say that his chances were still average. With Zimmerman gone, his chances do not look very good.

 

[AmishCowboy]

:signmast: That's been my argument for years.

Pearson has two obstacles:

1. Jerry Jones. In my (and other observers) opinion, Jones took great offense to Pearson trademarking the Ring Of Honor and attempting to dictate its use to him. I think that Jones seriously contemplates his every move (don't laugh Bach). Jones "admitted" that Bob Hayes was one of his favorite players. Yet, it took him 12 years to induct Hayes into the Ring Of Honor. Knowing that, how is he going to c-o-n-t-i-n-u-e treating Pearson?
2. Pearson's only chance (in my opinion) will be through the Seniors Committee. If Dr. Z was still sitting on it, I would say that his chances were still average. With Zimmerman gone, his chances do not look very good.

Yeah, I knew JJ has some issues with Drew, But I feel that no WR in Cowboys History made bigger catches then Pearson, so he should put him in the Ring of Honor at least.

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah, I knew JJ has some issues with Drew, But I feel that no WR in Cowboys History made bigger catches then Pearson, so he should put him in the Ring of Honor at least.

Of course, Pearson should be in the Ring of Honor. There should be zero debate about it. He should have been in the Ring of Honor YEARS ago. The question is why isn't he? Whenever the ONE person in the entire world who is responsible for inducting ex-players into the Ring Of Honor decides to answer that single question, perhaps Pearson will finally be exactly where he should have been a long, LONG time ago.

 

[THUMPER]

Of course, Pearson should be in the Ring of Honor. There should be zero debate about it. He should have been in the Ring of Honor YEARS ago. The question is why isn't he? Whenever the ONE person in the entire world who is responsible for inducting ex-players into the Ring Of Honor decides to answer that single question, perhaps Pearson will finally be exactly where he should have been a long, LONG time ago.

Actually, the list I posted was originally for the guys who should be in RoH but then I adjusted it for the HoF. Anyone on that list that isn't already in the RoH should be.

I'm liking Jerry less and less with each passing year.

 

[skinsscalper]

Actually, the list I posted was originally for the guys who should be in RoH but then I adjusted it for the HoF. Anyone on that list that isn't already in the RoH should be.

I'm liking Jerry less and less with each passing year.

To be somewhat fair, Pearson should have been in the ROH before Jones even owned the Cowboys.

 

[DallasEast]

To be somewhat fair, Pearson should have been in the ROH before Jones even owned the Cowboys.

Well, Pearson retired in 1983 which was both the last year that Murchinson owned the team and the last year that any player was inducted into the Ring (Staubach) before Jerry Jones bought the team in 1989. Bum Bright didn't enshrine ANY players during his ownership. So to be equally fair, every player who was worthy of enshrinement in the Ring got screwed by Bright.

However, Jones has owned the team for 20 years. He inducted Jordan, Landry, Randy White and Dorsett between '89 and '94. It was seven years before he decided to induct Hayes in 2001. He's honored Schramm, Harris, Wright and The Triplets between '01 and '05.

By his own admission, Pearson was one of his favorites. For twenty years, as far as the Ring is concerned, he hasn't treated him like one.

 

[Chief]

Chuck Howley

Yep.

Howley

then Harris

Drew can't even get into the Jerry Jones Ring of Honor, so there's no hope for him, unfortunately.

 

[adamknite]

Harvey Martin

4x Pro Bowl Selections
4x All Pro Selections
1977 NFL DPOY
Super Bowl XII Co-MVP
23 Sacks in a season (unofficial)
100+ Career Sacks (unofficial)
Named to the 1970's All Decade Team

 

[Chief]

Harvey Martin

4x Pro Bowl Selections
4x All Pro Selections
1977 NFL DPOY
Super Bowl XII Co-MVP
23 Sacks in a season (unofficial)
100+ Career Sacks (unofficial)
Named to the 1970's All Decade Team

Jerry: "Is Harvey Martin dead? Hmmm. Maybe it's time to consider him for my Ring of Honor."

 

[Alexander]

Rod Woodson's enshrinement brings up Cliff Harris again.

That's the one player who I feel deserves it the most based off a comparison to what they are electing right now.

People like Howley will never get their proper recognition.

 

[DallasEast]

Yep.

Howley

then Harris

Drew can't even get into the Jerry Jones Ring of Honor, so there's no hope for him, unfortunately.

Whether it's intentional or inadvertent, Jones' exclusion of Pearson from the Ring has far reaching consequences.

Just suppose for a moment... If Gosselin were to start a discussion with his Board of Selector peers to suggest the possibility of Pearson becoming a finalist for the Hall of Fame, anyone in the room can cut him short and ask him, "Why should we vote to put Pearson on the ballot when his own franchise won't honor him in similar fashion"?

Gosselin or anyone else may not even attempt arguing for Pearson because they may not see any viable way to overcome any counter-arguments made against selecting him. If true, that's just plain sad.

There's an easy way to nix that little problem in the butt. Put Pearson in the Ring. It's a slam dunk anyway. What's the hold up?

 

[GoCowboysGo]

What about Ed "Too Tall" Jones? I feel like I'm the only one who thinks he should definitely be in the hall.

Too Tall
Chuck Howley
Cliff Harris
Harvery Martin
Drew Pearson
Jimmy Johnson

 

[THUMPER]

What about Ed "Too Tall" Jones? I feel like I'm the only one who thinks he should definitely be in the hall.

Too Tall
Chuck Howley
Cliff Harris
Harvery Martin
Drew Pearson
Jimmy Johnson

Ed was on my list.