Who Should Start at RB?

[theogt]

That may be so but I'm pretty sure Barber has been in on more drives past two games.

They've both had carries or receptions in 10 drives each over the last 2 games.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Well since Eduncan22 chose JJ, I am now firmly on the MBIII bandwagon...

 

[Undisputed]

We need Barber, Barber, and some more Barber. Don't get me wrong. Julius has a place on this team IMO. He is still a valuable weapon.

But we aren't good enough to go along with this "If it ain't broke..." attitude. So if it isn't broken we shouldn't attempt to fine-tune it? Really, if teams truly carried that attitude throughout the season there would be about 10 times the parody/upsets. Quality teams have plenty of room for improvement, and most realize it. We should be no exception. Like I said, we aren't that good.

 

[Rack]

I'd like Julius Barber please, hes number 23.5

You need to work on your math.

(21 + 24)/2= 22.5

Julius has seen no holes on his runs and when they do give him one, its almost a homerun. Its part of the blocking schemes up the middles as well.

That is a load or large amounts of doodoo.

Just cuz he runs into the back of an offensive lineman doesn't mean there wasn't a hole there.

If what you're saying is true the the OL is (for some reason) blocking better for The Barbarian then they are for JuJo. Even more reason to start MB3 and play him more.

That said, they don't block any better for MB3 then they do for JuJo. MB3 just get to and through the holes better then JuJo.

 

[silverblue]

julius is much better starting games because he is a much more disciplined runner and will rarely lose you yards. Believe it or not, for all his fireworks, Barber has more runs for no or negative gain than Julius does. Just look at that one run in the end zone where he ran BACKWARDS in the ENDZONE.

 

[03EBZ06]

Believe it or not, for all his fireworks, Barber has more runs for no or negative gain than Julius does.

Can you back that up with comparible stat of negative gains by both players?

 

[Sarge]

If it aint broke.....dont fix it

Just my opinion

I consider these slow starts we continue to have, something that needs improvement. We can get better.

 

[superpunk]

Can you back that up with comparible stat of negative gains by both players?

No, he can't. It's a complete fabrication.

From the play-by-play charts on ESPN.com, Julius has 15 runs resulting in zero or negative yardage (19% of his carries) and Barber has 9 (11% of his carries).

Barber gets stuffed less, has a higher ypc, more big plays, more TDs - he's simply better, in every respect.

 

[Hoov]

I want to see MBIII start the first couple of series and then turn it over to JJ for most of the rest of the first half. Then split them about even in the third quarter and turn it over to MBIII again in the fourth quarter. I think this would help us get off to a quicker start while still using JJ and his speed to wear down the defenses. But I want MBIII running over people in the fourth quarter and gaining first downs. JJ is not and never has been consistent enough to get us off to a strong start nor to be a closer but he can do some good having the defense chase him through the middle part of the game.

So start and finish with MBIII with a strong dose of JJ in the middle.

I think it is broke...I think JJ is part of the problem that we have had with the slow starts.

I think this is a good idea

 

[Yeagermeister]

Barber gets stuffed on the same runs that JJ does. The holes just aren't there sometimes.

I voted for JJ but I'm almost to the point of saying go ahead and start Barber so we can see once and for all if it will make a difference. Then maybe we won't have the same thread every week.

 

[Doomsday101]

Same reason as always because Barber is the better running back. He proves that each week.

 

[silverblue]

Can you back that up with comparible stat of negative gains by both players?

I did a few games back in another barber vs jones thread but don't have time to do it again right now.

 

[zrinkill]

Wow ..... just look at the names on the Julius Jones side ..... makes me even more comfortable picking Barber.

 

[silverblue]

No, he can't. It's a complete fabrication.

From the play-by-play charts on ESPN.com, Julius has 15 runs resulting in zero or negative yardage (19% of his carries) and Barber has 9 (11% of his carries).

Barber gets stuffed less, has a higher ypc, more big plays, more TDs - he's simply better, in every respect.

I used the nfl.com play by play a few games ago and barber had more maybe it is different now I haven't tallied since then. Considering that Julius always comes out on the opening drive of a game and barber is the finisher when the d is tired you would expect these to be much more lopsided.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Barber gets stuffed on the same runs that JJ does. The holes just aren't there sometimes.

I agree. Barber's more exciting to watch. He runs hard and violent and alot of times makes something out of nothing. Barber seemingly does more with his touches than Julius. Fans and media love that. The problem I see with him is when there really is nothing and he tries to make something and he gets the same two yards had he just hit the hole.

I voted for JJ but I'm almost to the point of saying go ahead and start Barber so we can see once and for all if it will make a difference. Then maybe we won't have the same thread every week.

I see Julius as a rhythm back. I think he's one of those who would benefit in being in a system where he was the lead dog and he could count on playing in consecutive series and/or downs.

And if Barber becomes the featured back, I wonder if he'll be able to hold up. Emmitt's key to success and longevity was durability. I remember him saying alot of that has to do with knowing when to go down. Barber has no give up in him which could lead to a shortened career.

At this point, the notion of "starting" is stupid. Julius is not the reason that the 'boys got off to such slow starts. It seems like it's always one play here or there which would stunt a series, but I think it's ridiculous to pin it on Julius. And if Barber's coming on the very next series and the success is still little to none, then I don't see that making a change one way or the other as being a big deal.

 

[Doomsday]

JJ has had multiple shots to prove he is the man and hasnt, you can make all the excuses in the world why he hasnt been as productive as he needs to be but the bottom line is he isnt a feature back. In my opinion Barber deserves and has earned a chance to prove he is an every down back who can carry the load.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I guess no one else has seen the runs that I was talking about regarding Jones.

Has anyone else seen where he "almost" broke free and took it the house... I remember atleast 3 times this year...

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess no one else has seen the runs that I was talking about regarding Jones.

Has anyone else seen where he "almost" broke free and took it the house... I remember atleast 3 times this year...

If he was playing horse shoes or hand grenades almost would be good enough.

 

[03EBZ06]

Has anyone else seen where he "almost" broke free and took it the house

I almost won a lotto few times, but I was couple of numbers off...each time.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I guess no one else has seen the runs that I was talking about regarding Jones.

Has anyone else seen where he "almost" broke free and took it the house... I remember atleast 3 times this year...

Jones is no longer the flavor of the day. Anything he does well or solid will go unnoticed or poo-pooed for the most part.

I've actually been in chat on game days and people are upset when Julius is in the game. Some actually got P.O.d when he was in on some redzone plays. That's crazy to me. Julius is not a complete dud on the field.

Barber's a good player, and while he does some things well, he's also done some aggravating things too. He's not a perfect player, but he runs hard and that's all you can ask for.