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[Bach]

Three Super Bowls. More than you'll ever have. It must irk you to know that Jerry has forgotten more about football than you'll ever know.

Dave Campo has three Super Bowl rings too.

And the only thing I've been irked about is how a guy that doesn't know football put himself in control of the Cowboys and now we've gone 11 years without a playoff win.

 

[theogt]

No, it wasn't Jimmy alone. Jimmy had a great staff and we had a great scouting dept then. There were many involved in the process. But yeah, Jimmy took the info the scouts provided and made the key decisions, and then, Jerry "concurred" all but one or two times.

So yeah, Jerry's role was basically hiring Jimmy and allowing Jimmy and the staff do the work.

We can only hope Jerry has learned or he has someone really good to rely on.

Oh really? So why didn't that work out in Miami? Gosh, if Jimmy's some sort of genius, putting together an entire scouting staff and coaching staff and making all of the personnel decisions, shouldn't he be able to at least come close to replicating that success elsewhere?

I mean, it really makes sense that Jerry would risk his entire net worth and then just allow some stranger, who is completely unproven to just build an entire scouting/coaching staff and team on his own. Right?

No, actually, it doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Woods]

No, it wasn't Jimmy alone. Jimmy had a great staff and we had a great scouting dept then. There were many involved in the process. But yeah, Jimmy took the info the scouts provided and made the key decisions, and then, Jerry "concurred" all but one or two times.

So yeah, Jerry's role was basically hiring Jimmy and allowing Jimmy and the staff do the work.

We can only hope Jerry has learned or he has someone really good to rely on.

So, if all JJ had to do was hire Jimmy, why couldn't Jimmy even get the Dolphins to the Super Bowl (forget even winning the Super Bowl) when he was HC in Miami? You just make it sound way too easy.

 

[Bach]

Oh really? So why didn't that work out in Miami? Gosh, if Jimmy's some sort of genius, putting together an entire scouting staff and coaching staff and making all of the personnel decisions, shouldn't he be able to at least come close to replicating that success elsewhere?

I mean, it really makes sense that Jerry would risk his entire net worth and then just allow some stranger, who is completely unproven to just build an entire scouting/coaching staff and team on his own. Right?

No, actually, it doesn't make any sense at all.

Makes more sense than believing an oilman came in here and built a championship team with his great football decisions.

Jerry himself said Jimmy made the decisions and he "concurred" only disagreeing one or two times. But I guess now you don't want to believe him, Jimmy or any of the other people that were around in those years.

Carry on your foolishness, it fits you well.

 

[speedkilz88]

Is there some GM with the midas touch that just shoots lombardi trophys out of his butt from decade to decade?

 

[theogt]

Makes more sense than believing an oilman came in here and built a championship team with his great football decisions.

Jerry himself said Jimmy made the decisions and he "concurred" only disagreeing one or two times. But I guess now you don't want to believe him, Jimmy or any of the other people that were around in those years.

Carry on your foolishness, it fits you well.

Link?

 

[Bach]

So, if all JJ had to do was hire Jimmy, why couldn't Jimmy even get the Dolphins to the Super Bowl (forget even winning the Super Bowl) when he was HC in Miami? You just make it sound way too easy.

Like I've said time after time, Jimmy wasn't the only man who made it happen. He had a lot of help with the staff, scouts and good fortune.

The point isn't that is was Jimmy alone, because it wasn't.

The point is - it wasn't Jerry and his great personnel decisions, which apparently some of you laughably want us to believe.

 

[Bleu Star]

And?

Jimmy only go his 2 SB's due to Jerry.

 

[Bleu Star]

Bach's still living in 1994 I see.

Cue the Back To the Future soundtrack. I'm expecting Michael J. Fox to show up at any time. Fire up those flux capacitors!!!

 

[Bach]

Link?

http://espn.go.com/chrismortensen/s/2001/1010/1262025.html


""Technically, what it amounted to is that he would make recommendations, and I usually concurred. There were only one or two times when I did not concur, but we would discuss it and work it out."

 

[theogt]

http://espn.go.com/chrismortensen/s/2001/1010/1262025.html


""Technically, what it amounted to is that he would make recommendations, and I usually concurred. There were only one or two times when I did not concur, but we would discuss it and work it out."

So basically, Jimmy didn't have final say. He just made recommendations. And usually they agreed. And when they didn't agree, Jerry would trump him or Jimmy would try to convince Jimmy to go his way.

Gotcha.

 

[zrinkill]

Here is the entire quote relating to that.

"No one, not even Jimmy, ever had the authority to call the NFL and make cuts or trades, other than me," said Jones. "Technically, what it amounted to is that he would make recommendations, and I usually concurred. There were only one or two times when I did not concur, but we would discuss it and work it out."



Jones cited the acquisition of 49ers defensive end Charles Haley as an example of his contribution to the Super Bowl years.



"Jimmy didn't spend a lot of time on that," said Jones. "The real thrust is that 99 percent of my conversations about Charles Haley was with (defensive coordinator) Dave Wannstedt."



Same as its always been. Bach Bach just tries to interpret it to fit his agenda.

 

[superpunk]

Well, I thought you might ease up after you acknowledged that you got my point via pm, but I guess not.

This article seems like fiction and guesswork, rather than a documentary or interview. I don't understand the point.

 

[theogt]

Here's another quote:

"Having the ability to manage the team is why I bought the team," he said.

Perfectly consistent with the idea that Jerry bought the team and just let Jimmy run the show.

 

[zrinkill]

Paul Attner

This is Ron Wolfs good buddy who hates Jones with a passion.

Sad that you have to go to Cowboy haters to find someone who shares your opinion.

Here is his other articles

http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/paul-attner/archive.html

 

[Bach]

Johnson displays new skill at trade
His first draft nets Cowboys a bonus pick
4/24/1989
By BERNIE MIKLASZ / The Dallas Morning News

As an encore to his selection of quarterback Troy Aikman with the first pick in the NFL draft Sunday, first-year Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson locked himself into a tense trading duel with Raiders owner Al Davis, the Darth Vader of the NFL.

The Cowboys were sitting with the first pick in the second round when Davis called. Davis, drafting 11th in the second round, badly wanted Penn State guard Steve Wisniewski and feared another team would snatch him.
Davis, the man in black and winner of three Super Bowls, was eager to make a deal with the rookie NFL coach.

"He said, 'Jimmy, this is the first time we've dealt with one another, and it will be a good experience,'" Johnson said. "I said 'Al, this is my first time, so I need an extra pick.'"

The haggling went on for five minutes. Davis agreed to give the Cowboys his No. 2 and an additional third-rounder, but Johnson wanted more and asked for a No. 5. Davis had three selections in the fifth round and was trying to sell Johnson the worst one.

Johnson had four other interested teams hanging on the line and used them as leverage against Davis. "I kept telling Al he needed to help a rookie out," Johnson said. "We talked three different times and took it down to the final seconds."

Davis finally relented and gave Johnson the Raiders' first pick in the fifth round – the seventh.

Johnson had swung his first NFL trade. On his terms.
The Cowboys drafted Wisniewski for the Raiders and then swapped him and the Cowboys' sixth-round choice to Davis for picks in the second, third and fifth rounds.

For moving down 10 spots in the second round and tossing in an extra No. 6, Johnson wound up with two picks in the third instead of one and three in the fifth instead of two. And in the second round he got the player he wanted – Syracuse fullback Daryl Johnston, a strong inside runner who can serve as a punishing, 237-pound blocker for Herschel Walker.

With the first pick in the third round, Johnson drafted Pitt offensive lineman Mark Stepnoski, a 6-2, 269-pound right guard who may have a future at center with the Cowboys.

"This is an extremely tough individual," Cowboys line coach Tony Wise said. "This guy will hit you right in the mouth."

Finally, it was to the defense and some necessary patches for the Cowboys' front four. With the Raiders' third-round pick, Johnson went for 275-pound Florida defensive lineman Rhondy Weston. With the first choice in the fourth, Johnson recruited a lean pass-rusher from UT-El Paso – 6-6, 245-pound Tony Tolbert.

Weston appears to be a bargain. Some rated him a second-round talent, and he is capable of playing inside or at either end. "We were really surprised that he was there," Johnson said.

Tolbert, an outside linebacker who had 11 sacks last season, will be converted to defensive end. Johnson has 4.7-second speed in the 40-yard dash. "We were attracted to him for his pass-rush ability," Johnson said.
With the Cowboys' defense 25th in points allowed last season, it was surprising that their first three selections were on offense: a quarterback, a fullback and a guard.

"I told the offense they'd better score a lot of points," Cowboys defensive line coach Butch Davis said in jest.

Johnson said he resisted the temptation to reach for a lower-rated defensive prospect in the second round. The defensive ends he liked – Trace Armstrong and Bill Hawkins – had been drafted.

So Johnson went for the sure thing, a fullback who figures to start immediately. Veteran Timmy Newsome, 31, averaged only 2.3 yards per carry last season, suffered a calf injury and is considered a below-average blocker.
"We felt fullback was one of the major needs coming in," offensive coordinator Dave Shula said. "We have some age there, and we need to upgrade that position."

Johnston averaged five yards per carry as a senior. The Cowboys were concerned that Walker, with 361 carries, was overworked last season. "He'll take some of the pressure off Herschel," running backs coach Joe Brodsky said.

For the third round, the Cowboys again had their eye on a pass-rusher – Auburn's Brian Smith – who was drafted in the second round.

So Johnson turned to Stepnoski, who can start at a number of places. Center Tom Rafferty is 35, right guard Crawford Ker is unsigned, and left guard Nate Newton weighs 358 pounds. Overall, line depth is weak.

The Cowboys used the first of their three fifth-round picks on Clemson tight end Keith Jennings, a converted wide receiver.

The second selection of the fifth – the one that came in the Raiders' trade – brought Georgia Tech outside linebacker Willis Crockett.

The Cowboys took Florida defensive tackle Jeff Roth with the fifth-round choice they received from Denver last June in exchange for Tony Dorsett, their all-time leading rusher.

The draft resumes Monday morning with the sixth round. The Cowboys' first-day haul: three defensive linemen, a quarterback, a fullback, a guard, a tight end and a linebacker. And this clearly was Johnson's production. He and his staff personally scouted, coached in all-star games or coached against every player the Cowboys drafted.

After the fourth round, ESPN draft analyst Paul Zimmerman declared the Cowboys' draft the best in the NFL to that point.

But the trade really made Johnson's day. He took on Al Davis and held out for a good price.

"I feel very good about what we've done," Johnson said. "I don't know if I could be any happier with this draft."

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I guess this was just a bunch of misprints and they really meant to say Jerry Jones instead of Jimmy Johnson. :laugh2:

 

[tunahelper]

Lets all thank Herschel Walker and slew of picks he brought.

That is where the magic happened!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Johnson displays new skill at trade
His first draft nets Cowboys a bonus pick
4/24/1989
By BERNIE MIKLASZ / The Dallas Morning News

As an encore to his selection of quarterback Troy Aikman with the first pick in the NFL draft Sunday, first-year Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson locked himself into a tense trading duel with Raiders owner Al Davis, the Darth Vader of the NFL.

The Cowboys were sitting with the first pick in the second round when Davis called. Davis, drafting 11th in the second round, badly wanted Penn State guard Steve Wisniewski and feared another team would snatch him.
Davis, the man in black and winner of three Super Bowls, was eager to make a deal with the rookie NFL coach.

"He said, 'Jimmy, this is the first time we've dealt with one another, and it will be a good experience,'" Johnson said. "I said 'Al, this is my first time, so I need an extra pick.'"

The haggling went on for five minutes. Davis agreed to give the Cowboys his No. 2 and an additional third-rounder, but Johnson wanted more and asked for a No. 5. Davis had three selections in the fifth round and was trying to sell Johnson the worst one.

Johnson had four other interested teams hanging on the line and used them as leverage against Davis. "I kept telling Al he needed to help a rookie out," Johnson said. "We talked three different times and took it down to the final seconds."

Davis finally relented and gave Johnson the Raiders' first pick in the fifth round – the seventh.

Johnson had swung his first NFL trade. On his terms.
The Cowboys drafted Wisniewski for the Raiders and then swapped him and the Cowboys' sixth-round choice to Davis for picks in the second, third and fifth rounds.

For moving down 10 spots in the second round and tossing in an extra No. 6, Johnson wound up with two picks in the third instead of one and three in the fifth instead of two. And in the second round he got the player he wanted – Syracuse fullback Daryl Johnston, a strong inside runner who can serve as a punishing, 237-pound blocker for Herschel Walker.

With the first pick in the third round, Johnson drafted Pitt offensive lineman Mark Stepnoski, a 6-2, 269-pound right guard who may have a future at center with the Cowboys.

"This is an extremely tough individual," Cowboys line coach Tony Wise said. "This guy will hit you right in the mouth."

Finally, it was to the defense and some necessary patches for the Cowboys' front four. With the Raiders' third-round pick, Johnson went for 275-pound Florida defensive lineman Rhondy Weston. With the first choice in the fourth, Johnson recruited a lean pass-rusher from UT-El Paso – 6-6, 245-pound Tony Tolbert.

Weston appears to be a bargain. Some rated him a second-round talent, and he is capable of playing inside or at either end. "We were really surprised that he was there," Johnson said.

Tolbert, an outside linebacker who had 11 sacks last season, will be converted to defensive end. Johnson has 4.7-second speed in the 40-yard dash. "We were attracted to him for his pass-rush ability," Johnson said.
With the Cowboys' defense 25th in points allowed last season, it was surprising that their first three selections were on offense: a quarterback, a fullback and a guard.

"I told the offense they'd better score a lot of points," Cowboys defensive line coach Butch Davis said in jest.

Johnson said he resisted the temptation to reach for a lower-rated defensive prospect in the second round. The defensive ends he liked – Trace Armstrong and Bill Hawkins – had been drafted.

So Johnson went for the sure thing, a fullback who figures to start immediately. Veteran Timmy Newsome, 31, averaged only 2.3 yards per carry last season, suffered a calf injury and is considered a below-average blocker.
"We felt fullback was one of the major needs coming in," offensive coordinator Dave Shula said. "We have some age there, and we need to upgrade that position."

Johnston averaged five yards per carry as a senior. The Cowboys were concerned that Walker, with 361 carries, was overworked last season. "He'll take some of the pressure off Herschel," running backs coach Joe Brodsky said.

For the third round, the Cowboys again had their eye on a pass-rusher – Auburn's Brian Smith – who was drafted in the second round.

So Johnson turned to Stepnoski, who can start at a number of places. Center Tom Rafferty is 35, right guard Crawford Ker is unsigned, and left guard Nate Newton weighs 358 pounds. Overall, line depth is weak.

The Cowboys used the first of their three fifth-round picks on Clemson tight end Keith Jennings, a converted wide receiver.

The second selection of the fifth – the one that came in the Raiders' trade – brought Georgia Tech outside linebacker Willis Crockett.

The Cowboys took Florida defensive tackle Jeff Roth with the fifth-round choice they received from Denver last June in exchange for Tony Dorsett, their all-time leading rusher.

The draft resumes Monday morning with the sixth round. The Cowboys' first-day haul: three defensive linemen, a quarterback, a fullback, a guard, a tight end and a linebacker. And this clearly was Johnson's production. He and his staff personally scouted, coached in all-star games or coached against every player the Cowboys drafted.

After the fourth round, ESPN draft analyst Paul Zimmerman declared the Cowboys' draft the best in the NFL to that point.

But the trade really made Johnson's day. He took on Al Davis and held out for a good price.

"I feel very good about what we've done," Johnson said. "I don't know if I could be any happier with this draft."

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I guess this was just a bunch of misprints and they really meant to say Jerry Jones instead of Jimmy Johnson. :laugh2:

Dude all your proving is that Jones and Johnson did it together. Nice hack job on misquoting the previous article where it is blatantly spelled out that Johnson had little to nothing to do with the Haley trade. Jones also brokered the Walker trade.

Those tow trades were the two most critical for our success in the nineties.

You have officially reached eduncan status. actually are you edunce?

 

[zrinkill]

This is getting sadder and sadder. Poor guy is so desperate.

 

[BigDFan5]

How far into stupidity is Bach going to be allowed to go? I mean seriously bringing up 14 year old articles full of speculation to feed his insane need to hate on the man who helped bring us 3 superbowls?

Posting another very old article and using the quotes out of context to feed his need to bash Jerry?


I used to think you were an idiot Bach, that has changed now. I realize you arent stupid, you are just a pathetic and sad little person. I feel sorry for you man I really do.