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BigDFan5;1938176 said:
How far into stupidity is Bach going to be allowed to go? I mean seriously bringing up 14 year old articles full of speculation to feed his insane need to hate on the man who helped bring us 3 superbowls?

Posting another very old article and using the quotes out of context to feed his need to bash Jerry?


I used to think you were an idiot Bach, that has changed now. I realize you arent stupid, you are just a pathetic and sad little person. I feel sorry for you man I really do.

Who's speculating?

The writer had access to Jimmy at that time and wrote an article based on his interviews with Jimmy and the staff, to include quotes by the men themselves.

Now, we can speculate on a couple of things: A) Jimmy Johnson was lying and he never made the picks nor spoke to/traded with Al Davis B) Jimmy and his staff were misquoted C) The writer is lying and attributed quotes to the coaching staff that they never said, or D) The writer really interviewed Jerry but got him confused with Jimmy, thus the misprint.
 

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Dodger12;1938218 said:
Who's speculating?

The writer had access to Jimmy at that time and wrote an article based on his interviews with Jimmy and the staff, to include quotes by the men themselves.

Now, we can speculate on a couple of things: A) Jimmy Johnson was lying and he never made the picks nor spoke to/traded with Al Davis B) Jimmy and his staff were misquoted C) The writer is lying and attributed quotes to the coaching staff that they never said, or D) The writer really interviewed Jerry but got him confused with Jimmy, thus the misprint.

the original article in this thread was speculating, I am not talking about the one he later posted and used a cut job on quotes
 

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LatinMind;1936889 said:
i guss jimmy really showed jerry with ghat masterful job in miami.

i think miami still wants their money back

Ain't that the truth!

It is about the talent that developes the coach into HOF stuff:starspin
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1938129 said:
Dude all your proving is that Jones and Johnson did it together. Nice hack job on misquoting the previous article where it is blatantly spelled out that Johnson had little to nothing to do with the Haley trade. Jones also brokered the Walker trade.

Those tow trades were the two most critical for our success in the nineties.


Jimmy was clearly the man who made the decisions during the draft. I Walker trade turned out great, only because we made good decisions during the draft. If we hadn't done that, then the trade wouldn't have meant squat.

Jimmy was the instrumental person behind the drafting which led to the success of the 90's Cowboys. It wasn't Jerry. That's the whole point.

Your bias is totally blinding you to the truth.
 

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BigDFan5;1938243 said:
the original article in this thread was speculating, I am not talking about the one he later posted and used a cut job on quotes

:laugh2:
 

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I have said many times that since our last superbowl win the only constant has been Jerry Jones.

The coaches have changed, the players have changed, the offensive and defensive systems have changed...but Jerry has been the constant.

I have also said that It starts from the top.

However with all of that said.

Digging up an article from 1994 is really silly.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1938372 said:
I have said many times that since our last superbowl win the only constant has been Jerry Jones.

The coaches have changed, the players have changed, the offensive and defensive systems have changed...but Jerry has been the constant.

I have also said that It starts from the top.

I agree.

Digging up an article from 1994 is really silly.

What's silly is people's revisionist history to try and claim we're in good hands since our GM did it in the past, when clearly he didn't.

Posting information that's shows that truth is silly, but people's revisionist history and spin isn't?
 

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Bach;1938383 said:
I agree.



What's silly is people's revisionist history to try and claim we're in good hands since our GM did it in the past, when clearly he didn't.

Posting information that's shows that truth is silly, but people's revisionist history and spin isn't?

Oh..I'm sorry. I thought YOU started this thread. How silly of me.

I mean there is no way you could have used it in an existing thread to possibly back up your points of view.:rolleyes:
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1938384 said:
Oh..I'm sorry. I thought YOU started this thread. How silly of me.

I mean there is no way you could have used it in an existing thread to possibly back up your points of view.:rolleyes:

Well what the hell do you know - you have horns sticking out of your head.


:)
 

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Sarge;1938387 said:
Well what the hell do you know - you have horns sticking out of your head.


:)

Might explain the headaches.:laugh2:
 

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theogt;1936911 said:
Jerry - 3 Super Bowls, still in football.
Jimmy - 2 Super Bowls, out of football.

Interesting analogy. If Jerry wasn't the owner of the team, he's be on the farm in Arkansas milking cows for the past 10 years.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1938391 said:
Might explain the headaches.:laugh2:

No - that's too much Jack and Coke jammin to Sabbath.

;)
 

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Bach has never answered the question about Jimmy in Miami, has he? Where was all that GENIUS there? Jimmy had a chance to prove himself on his own and what happened?
 

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burmafrd;1938408 said:
Bach has never answered the question about Jimmy in Miami, has he? Where was all that GENIUS there? Jimmy had a chance to prove himself on his own and what happened?

Simple. I never said is was all Jimmy, or that Jimmy was a genius.

As for Miami, Jimmy took over a team in '96 that had just finished 9-7. The Cowboys in '96 were just coming off a Super Bowl championship. By 2000, the Dolphins were 11-5, Dallas ended up 5-11.

You want to talk about disaster, it's not what Jimmy did to the Dolphins while he was there, it's what Jerry did to the Cowboys shortly after Jimmy left.

Like I said, the Dallas success in the '90's wasn't all Jimmy. But is sure as H-E-double-hockey-sticks wasn't Jerry's doing.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1938384 said:
Oh..I'm sorry. I thought YOU started this thread. How silly of me.

I mean there is no way you could have used it in an existing thread to possibly back up your points of view.:rolleyes:

Sorry. If you look, I've only started about a dozen total threads in over 2 years. I'll see about cutting back.
 

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Bach;1939000 said:
Simple. I never said is was all Jimmy, or that Jimmy was a genius.

As for Miami, Jimmy took over a team in '96 that had just finished 9-7. The Cowboys in '96 were just coming off a Super Bowl championship. By 2000, the Dolphins were 11-5, Dallas ended up 5-11.

You want to talk about disaster, it's not what Jimmy did to the Dolphins while he was there, it's what Jerry did to the Cowboys shortly after Jimmy left.

Like I said, the Dallas success in the '90's wasn't all Jimmy. But is sure as H-E-double-hockey-sticks wasn't Jerry's doing.

I don't think anyone is stating that it was ALL JJ.

The combination of JJ and Jimmy was what won the Super Bowls.

If you're trying to assign percentages as to who was more responsible, that's just silly, IMO.

And pure speculation.
 

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Bach;1939000 said:
Simple. I never said is was all Jimmy, or that Jimmy was a genius.

Why is every argument always either or?

Has it every occurred to anyone that we had the best environment with all things considered?

It wasn't all Jerry Jones. It wasn't all Coach Johnson.

Look up the word synergy if you don't know what it means.

And Bach, you are elaborating on Coach Johnson's drafting prowess. It was a lot of luck coupled with the sheer windfall we had. It was embarassing. About as embarassing as the plethora of choices Gil Brandt had to work with.

That said, there is the attempt to paint Jones as the only orchestrator as well. We have already seen what he does on his own. We saw it for years.

Until he shows he can succeed without a strong personnel-minded head coach, he deserves the labels he gets.

But it is not either/or.

It wasn't either or on how the team was built, nor in the way it was deconstructed. Like any divorce, there was blame to go around.
 

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This is it! This is the answer. It says here... that a bolt of lightning is going to strike the clock tower at precisely 10:04pm, next Saturday night! If we can somehow... *harness* this lightning... *channel* it... into the flux capacitor... it just might work. Next Saturday night, we're sending you Bach To The Future!
 

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Woods;1939006 said:
I don't think anyone is stating that it was ALL JJ.

The combination of JJ and Jimmy was what won the Super Bowls.

If you're trying to assign percentages as to who was more responsible, that's just silly, IMO.

And pure speculation.


Exactly ...... Neither have got it done without the other. That will soon change.

Bach is the only one trying to give one all the credit and one zero.
 
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