Who would be on the Short List for Texas?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look, nobody knows what any of these coaches would or would not do. Arguing back and forth on what they will or will not do is kinda silly. There is no question that if Texas wanted to offer a coach more money then anybody else in the NCAA, they could do it. Texas IS the most profitable University in the country and they do have the most resources where that is concerned. What does that mean? Well, it means that they could outbid anybody if they wanted to but it doesn't mean that they could get whomever they wanted to, just on the basis of money.

Here is what I think.

I don't think Saban would come to Texas because he basically has it made. I also don't think Saban is going to the NFL because he doesn't fit there. Besides, Saban is 61. I don't really think that he is ideal for the NFL and I doubt he wants to start over in the NFL at that age. JMO but I think he's staying at Bama.

I think Chip Kelly is going to the NFL and I think that will happen this year. I don't think he will come to Texas if he can be a HC in the NFL.

Patterson just signed an extension with TCU so I don't see him leaving there but who knows?

Briles doesn't fit Texas and he is a terrible Defensive coach. I don't think that's a direction Texas would go.

Dantonio is a Big 10 guy. He has no connections to Texas recruiting and that is a big minus. I don't believe he would be a guy Texas would try to bring in for that reason alone. That only hurts you more against OU and TAMU in the recruiting wars.

Muschamp is a guy who I think is happy at Florida but, he could be a candidate because Texas can offer him much more money to come to Texas then can Florida. There is no question about that. He is a guy that Texas would like to have representing the University and he would bring money the way Mack does. Not as much but in time, perhaps.

Miles is another guy that would make a lot of sense at Texas IMO. I have already mentioned why in previous posts but would he leave LSU? I think he would for enough money. The opportunity at Texas is certainly better but would he leave the SEC? IDK.

Jerry Gray is an interesting candidate. I would love to see him come to Texas but I don't know that he is high profile enough. Texas may not view him as such. Gray has never been a HC and that does not bode well for him IMO. Gray may be better suited, in the eyes of Texas, as the replacement for Diaz (should he move on and Mack decides to stay on). This, IMO, would be ideal. If you could bring Gray over and work out the same kind of deal you had with Muschamp but this time, provide a timeframe in which Gray can become HC, that would be a great situation for Texas IMO. Harsin might be a problem there but honestly, he's already looking so I don't know what the big deal there might really be?

Brian Kelly would be a good get as well but again, you have the same problem there as you do with Dantonio. He's a Big 10 guy and that doesn't help with Texas recruiting.

That's my take on it anyway.

 

[rkell87]

Because he is starving for recruits in the SEC? You would think if it was only recruiting, Mack would be winning championships each and every year. Is Saban really not recruiting well? I can't tell.

More money than the 5.4mill / year he's already gettting? They would never pay him 6-7+, that has already been stated, so I don't think it is money at all.

hey I agree saban isn't leaving, all i'm pointing out is that there are advantages to the Texas job over bama, recruiting is the biggest advantage, it is just really easy to get top recruits to austin but mackhas always been a Texas kids first guy. saban wouldn't give a damn, he recruits nationally much better than mack and I think it would continue if he were at Texas.

if Texas really thought they could get saban and it came down to money Texas gets him, he is without question the best in the game and Texas would pay whatever to get the best, he would just be on a short leash to turn the program around because of it

 

[rkell87]

You texas fans crack me up ... Saban would never take your job no matter how much money you throw at him. Chip Kelly ... maybe ... but you would be in a bidding war with Phil Knight which im guessing you lose. Muschamp stays in the SEC East where he thinks he can dominate. Urban Meyer stays at OSU ... he was an assitant there years ago and knows he can win in columbus. Do you get "The man ... hes 40?" from Ok St? .... Your best option would probably be Patterson at TCU or Briles at Baylor ... but im sure the Texas alumni wont settle for those guys.

Im guessing they go into the NFL ranks to get their next coach. Probably John Harbaugh once Baltimore fires him. Or even better get the O Coordinator from New England

lol at anyone who thinks texas would lose a bidding war for anybody they really want.

harbaugh isn't getting fired and lol at McDaniels

 

[JackWagon]

lol at anyone who thinks texas would lose a bidding war for anybody they really want.

harbaugh isn't getting fired and lol at McDaniels

You realize Brady has had his 2 of his best statistical years with McDaniels as his Coordinator right?

 

[rkell87]

You realize Brady has had his 2 of his best statistical years with McDaniels as his Coordinator right?

did I say anything about his ability to run a pro offense?

 

[MC KAos]

I actually think mcdaniels would be a great college coach and wouldn't mind him replacing Mack as a plan C or D

 

[MC KAos]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=playbookdollars&id=2556

 

[jobberone]

I would guess that Texas might look for a big name coach.

Would Les Miles consider Texas?

Would Brian Kelly consider Texas?

Would Muschamp consider Texas?

??Saban although I think he could head back to the NFL. Not sure I buy it but there are rumors out there.

??Charlie Strong

 

[MC KAos]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-head-coaching-jobs-football-college-football

 

[Cythim]

Look, nobody knows what any of these coaches would or would not do. Arguing back and forth on what they will or will not do is kinda silly. There is no question that if Texas wanted to offer a coach more money then anybody else in the NCAA, they could do it. Texas IS the most profitable University in the country and they do have the most resources where that is concerned. What does that mean? Well, it means that they could outbid anybody if they wanted to but it doesn't mean that they could get whomever they wanted to, just on the basis of money.

Here is what I think.

I don't think Saban would come to Texas because he basically has it made. I also don't think Saban is going to the NFL because he doesn't fit there. Besides, Saban is 61. I don't really think that he is ideal for the NFL and I doubt he wants to start over in the NFL at that age. JMO but I think he's staying at Bama.

I think Chip Kelly is going to the NFL and I think that will happen this year. I don't think he will come to Texas if he can be a HC in the NFL.

Patterson just signed an extension with TCU so I don't see him leaving there but who knows?

Briles doesn't fit Texas and he is a terrible Defensive coach. I don't think that's a direction Texas would go.

Dantonio is a Big 10 guy. He has no connections to Texas recruiting and that is a big minus. I don't believe he would be a guy Texas would try to bring in for that reason alone. That only hurts you more against OU and TAMU in the recruiting wars.

Muschamp is a guy who I think is happy at Florida but, he could be a candidate because Texas can offer him much more money to come to Texas then can Florida. There is no question about that. He is a guy that Texas would like to have representing the University and he would bring money the way Mack does. Not as much but in time, perhaps.

Miles is another guy that would make a lot of sense at Texas IMO. I have already mentioned why in previous posts but would he leave LSU? I think he would for enough money. The opportunity at Texas is certainly better but would he leave the SEC? IDK.

Jerry Gray is an interesting candidate. I would love to see him come to Texas but I don't know that he is high profile enough. Texas may not view him as such. Gray has never been a HC and that does not bode well for him IMO. Gray may be better suited, in the eyes of Texas, as the replacement for Diaz (should he move on and Mack decides to stay on). This, IMO, would be ideal. If you could bring Gray over and work out the same kind of deal you had with Muschamp but this time, provide a timeframe in which Gray can become HC, that would be a great situation for Texas IMO. Harsin might be a problem there but honestly, he's already looking so I don't know what the big deal there might really be?

Brian Kelly would be a good get as well but again, you have the same problem there as you do with Dantonio. He's a Big 10 guy and that doesn't help with Texas recruiting.

That's my take on it anyway.

Did Mack Brown have ties in Texas before becoming the head coach? It looks like he spent most of his time in the ACC area before being hired at UT. I don't think a coach at UT needs ties in the state to recruit, kids want to go there because of the program. I don't think someone being a "Big 10 guy" means anything when looking for a HC for UT. Get back to playing good football any UT has the pick of the state. Taking a Big 10 guy actually might help in nabbing guys from the Ohio area as well.

 

[MC KAos]

Did Mack Brown have ties in Texas before becoming the head coach? It looks like he spent most of his time in the ACC area before being hired at UT. I don't think a coach at UT needs ties in the state to recruit, kids want to go there because of the program. I don't think someone being a "Big 10 guy" means anything when looking for a HC for UT. Get back to playing good football any UT has the pick of the state. Taking a Big 10 guy actually might help in nabbing guys from the Ohio area as well.

he was a TE coach under Barry Switzer at OU, i bet he recruited in Texas plenty in his days there

edit: he was the OC, not TE coach.

 

[MC KAos]

but to your point cythim, i dont think it ultimately matters if the next coach has experience recruiting this area or not

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Did Mack Brown have ties in Texas before becoming the head coach? It looks like he spent most of his time in the ACC area before being hired at UT. I don't think a coach at UT needs ties in the state to recruit, kids want to go there because of the program. I don't think someone being a "Big 10 guy" means anything when looking for a HC for UT. Get back to playing good football any UT has the pick of the state. Taking a Big 10 guy actually might help in nabbing guys from the Ohio area as well.

Yes, he had ties back to Texas with both LSU and OU from the old SW Conference but when he came over to Texas, the situation was much different. He replaced Fred Akers, Dave McWilliams and John Mackovic and the famous Route 66 game. This coach will be replacing, Mack Brown, a guy who will not be fired but instead, will step down if he does leave. That's a very different situation and I do not believe that you can bring in a Big 10 guy to Texas and see success immediately. The expectations are going to be vastly different for the replacement of Mack Brown.

We are already bleeding to ATM and OU. We can't, IMO, afford to allow a guy to come in and take two years to get the recruiting developed. I do not believe that anybody at Texas can just come in and get whomever they want. That, IMO, is what has gotten this program into trouble. That's an attitude of superiority and it's not that easy. HS coaches work with College Coaches they like. I would not expect a Coach who has never had any experience in Texas come in and have the kind of recruiting success Texas is accustomed to. That, IMO, is a disaster waiting to happen. The Fans will not be patient and that coach will fail because of it. It will mean another 2 or 3 years before a new coach is brought in and the program would have to start rebuilding then. The other side of that equation is that no Coach, IMO, who is a high profile guy would come in to Texas expecting to recruit well if they have no relationships here. If you can't recruit, you are not going to be interested in taking the job because if you fail, you then jeopardize your career and if you fail at Texas, where do you go from there and what kind of coaching job can you expect?

I don't agree with anybody who thinks that it would not make a difference. JMO

 

[MC KAos]

i kind of think mack brown will eventually replace deloss dodds as AD, maybe thats why mack has his full support, he doesnt want to give up that position yet. i wish HE would retire and mack got that job, mack is a super solid human being so i think he would be great running our athletic department, and recruits would know he is still around. as ive said before, id love a super high profile guy, but if not, id be happy with someone like josh mcdaniels.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

ABQ, why in the world do you keep saying Briles doesn't fit Texas? He couldn't be more Texan.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ABQ, why in the world do you keep saying Briles doesn't fit Texas? He couldn't be more Texan.

From a coaching standpoint, his teams are not great defensively. Excellent offensively but not so much defensively. Texas doesn't want that.

From the standpoint of what Texas wants the face of the University to be that representing them, they want a polished guy who appeals to academia and who can continue to show up at sponsored events and draw huge donations. I don't see Briles as that guy or should I say, I don't believe that in the eyes of UT, they see that guy in Briles. Texas is in the business of making money, and Texas Football is at the very top of the revenue stream for Texas. The guy who replaces Mack is going to have to be able to keep the machine going. He's going to have to be able to excite the fan base and Art Briles, while a very good coach, does not strike me as that guy. I don't believe Texas would see him in that light either. Nothing against Briles. Probably more to say about the attitudes of Texas to be perfectly frank.

This is all opinion of course.

 

[Cythim]

One year at OU and LSU don't give a guy ties to the state. Mack Brown was much more of an SEC/ACC guy.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

From a coaching standpoint, his teams are not great defensively. Excellent offensively but not so much defensively. Texas doesn't want that.

From the standpoint of what Texas wants the face of the University to be that representing them, they want a polished guy who appeals to academia and who can continue to show up at sponsored events and draw huge donations. I don't see Briles as that guy or should I say, I don't believe that in the eyes of UT, they see that guy in Briles. Texas is in the business of making money, and Texas Football is at the very top of the revenue stream for Texas. The guy who replaces Mack is going to have to be able to keep the machine going. He's going to have to be able to excite the fan base and Art Briles, while a very good coach, does not strike me as that guy. I don't believe Texas would see him in that light either. Nothing against Briles. Probably more to say about the attitudes of Texas to be perfectly frank.

This is all opinion of course.

Hmm, okay... Well, I've never head Briles was abrasive or wasn't big on doing the fundraising thing, like say a Mike Leach or a Gary Patterson. But maybe you're right.

As far as defense goes, it's hard to have great defenses as Houston or Baylor. He'd have a lot better talent at Texas. And as good an offensive coach as he is, I'd think you could get by with scoring 50 a week and letting other teams try to match you for a couple years until the D got up to speed.

I just think he's one heck of a coach, and I know Galloway has said that UT is one of the few places he'd move to from Baylor. (Texas Tech was the other, but the timing was never right on that.)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

One year at OU and LSU don't give a guy ties to the state. Mack Brown was much more of an SEC/ACC guy.

Gives you a heck of a lot more then none at all. He was the OC under Barry Switzer, probably the best recruiter in the history of the game. You don't think that Mack Brown didn't have an edge over a guy who has never worked the SW in recruiting?

Your kidding yourself if you don't think that Mack Brown didn't have serious in roads into recruiting Texas when he first came to UT.

Fact is, this whole statement from you, a ATM guy rings pretty hollow. As I recall, when ATM was looking for a HC, one of the big things about Sumlin I heard from all of you Aggie fans was the fact that he was the best young recruiter in the College Ranks. Now, "It's no big deal if he's a Big 10 guy and has no history recruiting Texas!"

You will forgive me if I don't pay much attention to this line of thinking.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hmm, okay... Well, I've never head Briles was abrasive or wasn't big on doing the fundraising thing, like say a Mike Leach or a Gary Patterson. But maybe you're right.

As far as defense goes, it's hard to have great defenses as Houston or Baylor. He'd have a lot better talent at Texas. And as good an offensive coach as he is, I'd think you could get by with scoring 50 a week and letting other teams try to match you for a couple years until the D got up to speed.

I just think he's one heck of a coach, and I know Galloway has said that UT is one of the few places he'd move to from Baylor. (Texas Tech was the other, but the timing was never right on that.)

I don't think he's abrasive, per say. I just don't think that this is the side of the job that appeals to him. I believe that what Texas would want is a CEO type, for lack of a better description. Now, you have to also consider the fact that this may be part of the problem at Texas. The HC job is becoming less and less about football and more and more about running a successful business. I don't really think that's a good thing but it is how it is right now at Texas.

I do agree with you that Briles is a heck of a good coach. However, you gotta be able to do more then just score because the expectation at Texas is to win NCs and that means beat the SEC and OU on a consistent basis. I believe that scoring 50 on most teams in the country is enough to win but, I don't believe that if you are a team that can score 50 but can't stop anybody, you can beat OU or SEC teams consistently. You gotta be able to do both IMO or you won't be successful at Texas long term.


If it were just a matter of the Defense, then I'd say that he could be a guy but I think it's more then that. I just think that both combined would be reasons Texas would not be interested. JMO