Who would be on the Short List for Texas?

[jterrell]

Jerry Gray would be a guy that I would love to see Texas consider but I am not sure that they would. I really like Gray.

Gray can't even seem to get the Tech DC job brother. He has zero shot at UT Head Coach.

UT will hire whoever the big money guys want. And those same big money guys will pay for it. BIG. They can land just about any coach in the country because you can guarantee they'll make whomever they hire the highest paid guy in the country. Their boosters would consider it kmart shopping not to.

Les Miles would be my 1st guess. All that Hebert hate is a good excuse to take an even better job. They'll call Saban though that is for sure. They'll either get him or get him a raise.

Might be an outside shot they'd pursue Art Briles or Gary Patterson. Both guys they can simply money whip and weaken conf opponents with.

 

[jterrell]

I don't think he's abrasive, per say. I just don't think that this is the side of the job that appeals to him. I believe that what Texas would want is a CEO type, for lack of a better description. Now, you have to also consider the fact that this may be part of the problem at Texas. The HC job is becoming less and less about football and more and more about running a successful business. I don't really think that's a good thing but it is how it is right now at Texas.

I do agree with you that Briles is a heck of a good coach. However, you gotta be able to do more then just score because the expectation at Texas is to win NCs and that means beat the SEC and OU on a consistent basis. I believe that scoring 50 on most teams in the country is enough to win but, I don't believe that if you are a team that can score 50 but can't stop anybody, you can beat OU or SEC teams consistently. You gotta be able to do both IMO or you won't be successful at Texas long term.


If it were just a matter of the Defense, then I'd say that he could be a guy but I think it's more then that. I just think that both combined would be reasons Texas would not be interested. JMO

Art Briles would win about 2 games a year more than Mack Brown.

I could coach UT to 8 wins a year. You get all that talent and it isn't really complicated.

Whoever comes in has to win and in order ot do that they'll need to focus on playing actual football. The boosters will buy that for a while at least.

 

[jterrell]

Hmm, okay... Well, I've never head Briles was abrasive or wasn't big on doing the fundraising thing, like say a Mike Leach or a Gary Patterson. But maybe you're right.

As far as defense goes, it's hard to have great defenses as Houston or Baylor. He'd have a lot better talent at Texas. And as good an offensive coach as he is, I'd think you could get by with scoring 50 a week and letting other teams try to match you for a couple years until the D got up to speed.

I just think he's one heck of a coach, and I know Galloway has said that UT is one of the few places he'd move to from Baylor. (Texas Tech was the other, but the timing was never right on that.)

Tech boosters raised the 4m for Briles buyout but it was going to be a tough sell for Briles to leave the kids he has recruited to re-build... and KK was too good a get to pass up.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gray can't even seem to get the Tech DC job brother. He has zero shot at UT Head Coach.

UT will hire whoever the big money guys want. And those same big money guys will pay for it. BIG. They can land just about any coach in the country because you can guarantee they'll make whomever they hire the highest paid guy in the country. Their boosters would consider it kmart shopping not to.

Les Miles would be my 1st guess. All that Hebert hate is a good excuse to take an even better job. They'll call Saban though that is for sure. They'll either get him or get him a raise.

Might be an outside shot they'd pursue Art Briles or Gary Patterson. Both guys they can simply money whip and weaken conf opponents with.

Hey, I agree with you on Gray. I like the guy but I doubt he's in the running. As I said earlier, I think Texas would be better served to hire Gray, if they could, as the DC and just keep Mack on for a few more years. When the time comes, then Gray would be in a much better position to become HC. That, to me, would be the best solution all around but nobody pays me squat to make football decisions so, you know, I got that going for me.

The rest I agree with you on except Briles and Patterson. Weakening Conference opponents is not a bad idea but the problem is that Texas wants the Big 12 to be strong because that helps their case where money is concerned. Texas wants the Big 12 to rival the SEC so while I do agree with you that it would help weaken the opposition, I'm not entirely sure that Texas would value that. If they were to hire either one of those guys, I have to believe that it would be because they seriously wanted them and felt like they were the best candidate they could get. Not sure this is what Texas thinks thou.

 

[Cythim]

Gives you a heck of a lot more then none at all. He was the OC under Barry Switzer, probably the best recruiter in the history of the game. You don't think that Mack Brown didn't have an edge over a guy who has never worked the SW in recruiting?

Your kidding yourself if you don't think that Mack Brown didn't have serious in roads into recruiting Texas when he first came to UT.

Fact is, this whole statement from you, a ATM guy rings pretty hollow. As I recall, when ATM was looking for a HC, one of the big things about Sumlin I heard from all of you Aggie fans was the fact that he was the best young recruiter in the College Ranks. Now, "It's no big deal if he's a Big 10 guy and has no history recruiting Texas!"

You will forgive me if I don't pay much attention to this line of thinking.

Mack Brown has an edge because he is a great recruiter, not because of some misconception that he had ties in Texas. His ability as a recruiter and the fact that he was recruiting for Texas were far more important than two years as a coordinator at nearby schools.

Your statement about A&M makes absolutely no sense. What does Sumlin being "the best young recruiter int he College Ranks" have to do with conference ties and recruiting in Texas? Sumlin isn't Art Briles with tons of Texas high school connections, he is a guy who knows how to get high school kids excited about his program. Sumlin could be the same outstanding recruiter in Oregon or Michigan. The need for a strong recruiter is also highly important to A&M because they needed to pull kids away from Texas and OU. Texas will always have their recruits, so long as the program stays relevant. Bring in a guy like Dantonio or Kelly who can win with 3-star talent and recruiting for Texas will be just fine.

You dismissed a great recruiter because he cannot coach defense and you dismissed great defensive coaches because they have no recruitment ties. At some point Texas will have to make a decision and they likely won't be able to get everything they want in one guy.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Yep Mack really is a great recruiter...he dominates in the living room and wins over parents. Excerpts from the chronicle of DGB's recruitment process last year:

They met Texas coach Mack Brown, who they thought was the most personable of all the head coaches. Tracy Beckham described him as “Mr. Picture Guy.”
“The other head coaches might be like, ‘OK, let’s get a picture,’ ” she said. “He’s like, ‘OK, now the moms!’ He’s like the wedding planner. He’s like, ‘OK everybody, Hook ‘em ‘Horns, here we go!’ He’s just hilarious. ‘OK, hold up this Heisman Trophy!’ It’s just like one thing after another.”


Dorial also told his parents he was dropping Texas but wasn’t able to follow through on doing so, Tracy Beckham said. If Dorial struggled on the field or in the classroom, John Beckham thought, Texas coach Mack Brown could be trusted the most.
“That’s kept Texas in it as long as they have,” John Beckham said.


The day before Dorial’s announcement, John and Tracy Beckham sat in a barbecue restaurant in Springfield and discussed their fondness for Texas’ Brown. John Beckham had sent him a text message earlier in the day that in part said that Dorial was staying “close to home.”
John Beckham said he did not inform Arkansas’ Petrino or Oklahoma’s Stoops.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Mack Brown has an edge because he is a great recruiter, not because of some misconception that he had ties in Texas. His ability as a recruiter and the fact that he was recruiting for Texas were far more important than two years as a coordinator at nearby schools.

How old are you? Do you not recall why he was hired by UNC? UNC hired him because he was a great young recruiter at OU and because he had success there, he recruited Troy Aikman to OU, hello!

Your statement about A&M makes absolutely no sense. What does Sumlin being "the best young recruiter int he College Ranks" have to do with conference ties and recruiting in Texas? Sumlin isn't Art Briles with tons of Texas high school connections, he is a guy who knows how to get high school kids excited about his program. Sumlin could be the same outstanding recruiter in Oregon or Michigan. The need for a strong recruiter is also highly important to A&M because they needed to pull kids away from Texas and OU. Texas will always have their recruits, so long as the program stays relevant. Bring in a guy like Dantonio or Kelly who can win with 3-star talent and recruiting for Texas will be just fine.

Has nothing to do with Art Briles. That's your pile of you know what. What it has to do with is getting the top talent in Texas. Here's a news flash, while I know you love the idea of Texas trying to bring in somebody with no recruiting ties and somehow making the case that they can win with 3 stars (whatever), it doesn't help. Not only do you need to be a great coach but, you need to be able to recruit talent for your team and you need to be able to prevent others from recruiting that same talent.

You dismissed a great recruiter because he cannot coach defense and you dismissed great defensive coaches because they have no recruitment ties. At some point Texas will have to make a decision and they likely won't be able to get everything they want in one guy.

I would miss nothing because it is not I who would be doing the hiring. I am simply giving my opinion as to who Texas might consider and why or why not. As far as Texas getting everything they want, I think that's incorrect. Texas, IMO, will get what they want. Is what they want what I think? I don't know. Is what they want what they actually need? Again, I don't know but I do believe Texas will be able to get who they want if the HC job comes open.

 

[Cythim]

How old are you? Do you not recall why he was hired by UNC? UNC hired him because he was a great young recruiter at OU and because he had success there, he recruited Troy Aikman to OU, hello!

What part of my comment did you not understand? I said he was a great recruiter and didn't need ties in Texas to make it so. Great job trying to deflect by attacking me.

Has nothing to do with Art Briles. That's your pile of you know what. What it has to do with is getting the top talent in Texas. Here's a news flash, while I know you love the idea of Texas trying to bring in somebody with no recruiting ties and somehow making the case that they can win with 3 stars (whatever), it doesn't help. Not only do you need to be a great coach but, you need to be able to recruit talent for your team and you need to be able to prevent others from recruiting that same talent.

More attacking me because you don't have a leg to stand on. Being a great recruiter doesn't mean you need ties in Texas to do the recruiting. Frankly, I have no idea how good of a recruiter any of these guys are, but that will be more important than having ties to the state.

 

[jterrell]

You texas fans crack me up ... Saban would never take your job no matter how much money you throw at him. Chip Kelly ... maybe ... but you would be in a bidding war with Phil Knight which im guessing you lose. Muschamp stays in the SEC East where he thinks he can dominate. Urban Meyer stays at OSU ... he was an assitant there years ago and knows he can win in columbus. Do you get "The man ... hes 40?" from Ok St? .... Your best option would probably be Patterson at TCU or Briles at Baylor ... but im sure the Texas alumni wont settle for those guys.

Im guessing they go into the NFL ranks to get their next coach. Probably John Harbaugh once Baltimore fires him. Or even better get the O Coordinator from New England

I am hardly a Longhorn but I do live in this state and understand football.

UT has the largest athletics budget in the country by about 20 million dollars per year. They WILL without a doubt offer someone a paycheck that is the largest in college football. They'd be offended by offering anything less.

There is no greater recruiting situation anywhere than at UT. Yes, Saban has recruited just as well but that is because he is a GREAT coach. Before Saban Bama went about 10 years without even winning the SEC West.

Mack Brown has underachieved which is why he is on a hot seat. There will be very few coaches who won't hear a UT pitch.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What part of my comment did you not understand? I said he was a great recruiter and didn't need ties in Texas to make it so. Great job trying to deflect by attacking me.

What you said was that you could bring a Big 10 guy with no ties to Texas recruiting, recruit 3 Star talent and win with it if it was a good coach. You implied that you could do fine because that's what Mack was. I called BS and said your wrong. That's what was said and as you can see, I'm not deflecting anything.

More attacking me because you don't have a leg to stand on. Being a great recruiter doesn't mean you need ties in Texas to do the recruiting. Frankly, I have no idea how good of a recruiter any of these guys are, but that will be more important than having ties to the state.

If your definition of the truth is "Attack", then yeah, I guess your right.

 

[respectdatstar]

Alabama doesn't need to recruit. The recruits are coming to them just based on winning reputation. SEC is king. I love money, but if I were in Saban's situation, I would not want to walk away from a program that is as dominant as it is.

 

[jterrell]

Alabama doesn't need to recruit. The recruits are coming to them just based on winning reputation. SEC is king. I love money, but if I were in Saban's situation, I would not want to walk away from a program that is as dominant as it is.

saban would recruit just as well if not better at UT.
anyone not understanding that simply doesnt want to.

but for saban there is really very little motivation.
he can be richly rewarded at either school and he is going to win wherever he goes.

the SEC is vastly overrated while also being the best conference.
don't understand what i mean? check the bowl records last year.
check ut vs ole miss this year.
check arkansas this year.
they had a lot of very mediocre teams that people ignore because they have 5 or 6 on tv every week playing great football.