Who would u take?Ben or Eli?Im just curious.

[Hostile]

Agreed. It's a very weak argument. Of course winning the Superbowl is a tangible factor to be taken into serious consideration, but anyone who'd take Dilfer over Manning or believe that Manning wouldn't have been a winner on that Ravens team is an idiot. Also, why not expand the argument to other positions. Given his dominant Super Bowl display, Timmy Smith must be considered as a better running back than Ladainian Tomlinson. I mean the Skins wouldn't have won without Smith's record breaking performance, right? What's Tomlinson ever won?

I used that same argument with different players.

 

[jem88]

I used that same argument with different players.

We could even extend it to coaches. Brian Billick is obviously an all-time great, better than Cowher, Schottenheimer and Coughlin, seeing as how he won that SuperBowl in 2000.

 

[Derinyar]

We could even extend it to coaches. Brian Billick is obviously an all-time great, better than Cowher, Schottenheimer and Coughlin, seeing as how he won that SuperBowl in 2000.

Shush, your using logic. Its not allowed in this thread any more.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What more important?

Having a better QB?

Winning a SB?

Winning a SB with a QB that gets the job done?

 

[Hostile]

What more important?

Having a better QB?

Winning a SB?

Winning a SB with a QB that gets the job done?

Let me answer that with a couple of questions of my own.

Does having an elite QB give you a better chance to win it all?


How many "journeyman" QBs have won more than 1 Super Bowl?

I'm not really interested in just one. I want to contend every year.

 

[BlueStar22]

I'm jealous of all the teams like NY, Pitt, Cincy, etc. All have a young QB where the development process is going well. We have Drew Bledsoe, Tony Romo, and a former baseball player.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I'll tell you the same thing I've told CC for 2 years. If you find me one, just ONE, NFL GM or Head Coach who would take Trent Dilfer over Peyton Manning I'll agree you have a point. It is and always will be a ridiculous stance.

I'll concede that Peyton Manning is in his prime and Dilfer is not. However, there is more to consider than that. Manning has only played for Indianapolis, a system that features him and Harrison. It's kinda like Clinton Portis going into Washington, nobody knew how he'd pan out in a different system. Not to mention in a different environment. Manning doesn't do well whenever weather becomes a factor. The great ones like Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb can play very well in both while Manning struggles. He may win games but his performance becomes precarious.

The QB's that play well in any environment, not just a dome, will always have the edge. Environments change the perception of the game and how well you perform.

If Manning and Dilfer were both at their prime, I'd probably take Dilfer over Manning just because he has the edge in playoff and weather experience.

 

[Wolverine]

Just cuz a QB wins a Super Bowl does not mean he is better then a QB who did not. Really who do you want Trent Dilfer or Peyton Manning. I will take Manning any time.

Now as for other QBs like -

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady
Favre
Elway

well Manning is not even worthy of being mentioned with great names like that.

But Manning is a great QB. I do not like how he has to put on a 15 minute act to get everyone in the world looking at him before each snap but....the man is a great QB. It is just there are other QBs in the past that are way better and some QBs today that are better.


QBs today I would take over Peyton Manning - not many.

Tom Brady
Donovan McNabb


That is it. Both Brady and McNabb have done alot more with less talent to work with then what Manning has.

 

[Hostile]

Just cuz a QB wins a Super Bowl does not mean he is better then a QB who did not. Really who do you want Trent Dilfer or Peyton Manning. I will take Manning any time.

Now as for other QBs like -

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady
Favre
Elway

well Manning is not even worthy of being mentioned with great names like that.

But Manning is a great QB. I do not like how he has to put on a 15 minute act to get everyone in the world looking at him before each snap but....the man is a great QB. It is just there are other QBs in the past that are way better and some QBs today that are better.


QBs today I would take over Peyton Manning - not many.

Tom Brady
Donovan McNabb


That is it. Both Brady and McNabb have done alot more with less talent to work with then what Manning has.

I bet you money that if you asked...

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady
Favre
Elway


...they'd tell you they'd be honored to be on a list with Marino and Manning.

Michael Irvin himself calls Marino the greatest QB ever and said today that if Manning takes them undefeated all the way that he will be called the greatest ever.

Funny how the actual players never buy these agendas.

 

[Hostile]

I'll concede that Peyton Manning is in his prime and Dilfer is not. However, there is more to consider than that. Manning has only played for Indianapolis, a system that features him and Harrison. It's kinda like Clinton Portis going into Washington, nobody knew how he'd pan out in a different system. Not to mention in a different environment. Manning doesn't do well whenever weather becomes a factor. The great ones like Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb can play very well in both while Manning struggles. He may win games but his performance becomes precarious.

The QB's that play well in any environment, not just a dome, will always have the edge. Environments change the perception of the game and how well you perform.

If Manning and Dilfer were both at their prime, I'd probably take Dilfer over Manning just because he has the edge in playoff and weather experience.

Utterly ridiculous.

Like I said, find me an NFL GM or Head Coach that agrees.

 

[Derinyar]

I'll concede that Peyton Manning is in his prime and Dilfer is not. However, there is more to consider than that. Manning has only played for Indianapolis, a system that features him and Harrison. It's kinda like Clinton Portis going into Washington, nobody knew how he'd pan out in a different system. Not to mention in a different environment. Manning doesn't do well whenever weather becomes a factor. The great ones like Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb can play very well in both while Manning struggles. He may win games but his performance becomes precarious.

The QB's that play well in any environment, not just a dome, will always have the edge. Environments change the perception of the game and how well you perform.

If Manning and Dilfer were both at their prime, I'd probably take Dilfer over Manning just because he has the edge in playoff and weather experience.

Dilfer had a "prime"? When did that happen? Must be tampa in 1997 and 1998. How was tampa right in there? Looks like they made 1 playoff, and won 1 game in the playoffs. Dilfer was a medicore QB, who managed to get a superbowl win by not making mistakes for half of a year.
G Comp Att % Yards YPA TD INT
9 133 225 59.1 1502 6.7 12 11

Didn't we run Quincy out of town for a year not much worse than that?

16 292 505 57.8 3302 6.5 17 21

So Quincy can win a superbowl.... WITH A HISTORIC LEVEL DEFENSE. Yes winning the superbowl is the ultimate goal, but pretending that Dilfer is more likely to get someone to a Super Bowl than Peyton Manning is a joke.

 

[Sarge]

If Manning and Dilfer were both at their prime, I'd probably take Dilfer over Manning.....

...and you'd be the only one.

 

[Derinyar]

...and you'd be the only one.

Maybe we should stop, you do realize we are interfering with someones agenda.

 

[Wolverine]

Utterly ridiculous.

Like I said, find me an NFL GM or Head Coach that agrees.

It is absurd to put Manning down to a QB like Dilfer. One thing that I do wonder is how would Manning have done in PHilly before they got T.O. I do not think he would have gotten them as far as McNabb did. I also do not think Manning coulda won a Super Bowl with the same team Brady won 3 with.

McNabb and Brady are just better QBs then Manning. Those are the only 2 I can think of.

Putting Manning down to the level of a Dilfer is just wack.

 

[Hostile]

It is absurd to put Manning down to a QB like Dilfer. One thing that I do wonder is how would Manning have done in PHilly before they got T.O. I do not think he would have gotten them as far as McNabb did. I also do not think Manning coulda won a Super Bowl with the same team Brady won 3 with.

McNabb and Brady are just better QBs then Manning. Those are the only 2 I can think of.

Putting Manning down to the level of a Dilfer is just wack.

Wow. Nothing else to say. Just wow.

 

[Wolverine]

Wow. Nothing else to say. Just wow.

Brady is just a better QB. He can do more with less. You do not have to like it but it is true. I do not even know the names of the Pats RBs or WRs.

But I know the names of the RBs and WRs and TE for the Colts.


Brady is a proven BIG GAME QB. Manning is not....not even with one of the best WRs and best RBs in the game. What makes you think he would do what Brady did when Brady had LESS talent to work with.

 

[Hostile]

Brady is just a better QB. He can do more with less. You do not have to like it but it is true. I do not even know the names of the Pats RBs or WRs.

But I know the names of the RBs and WRs and TE for the Colts.


Brady is a proven BIG GAME QB. Manning is not....not even with one of the best WRs and best RBs in the game. What makes you think he would do what Brady did when Brady had LESS talent to work with.

Are you serious? Before this year has Manning ever had a defense to take pressure off of him? Has Brady? If you don't see the correlation open your friggin eyes.

Look what he's doing with a defense on the other side. If you aren't impressed then you're too biased to ever learn.

There are 2 sides of the football and the New England defense was a machine. Not recognizing that is beyond foolish.

 

[KDWilliams85]

Utterly ridiculous.

Like I said, find me an NFL GM or Head Coach that agrees.

You may think so but look how he performed in New England last year and the year before that. You can't tell me that I don't have a damn point.

 

[Hostile]

You may think so but look how he performed in New England last year and the year before that. You can't tell me that I don't have a damn point.

Yes, I can because you don't.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Brady is just a better QB. He can do more with less. You do not have to like it but it is true. I do not even know the names of the Pats RBs or WRs.

But I know the names of the RBs and WRs and TE for the Colts.


Brady is a proven BIG GAME QB. Manning is not....not even with one of the best WRs and best RBs in the game. What makes you think he would do what Brady did when Brady had LESS talent to work with.

Brady doesnt have a tenth of the talent Peyton Manning does. Is he clutch? Yes. Is he a better QB? No, and its not even close.

And it really doesnt surprise me that you dont know the names of the RBs and WRs for the Pats, even though one is a top 5 RB and another is the SB MVP