Who would u take?Ben or Eli?Im just curious.

[KDWilliams85]

What in the name of God and all things holy are you talking about? They wouldnt trade Manning for anyone even if they could because he is the best player in the NFL.

He's not the best. Just because he looks at Harrison all the time doesn't make him the best. He'll be the best when he wins the Lombardi and I'll say that he is. IF, and only IF, they win.

Edit - And don't even say that he doesn't look at Harrison first. Furthermore, don't make a case about Edge. Manning has to give him the ball for him to be effective. Edge is a damn good RB because he takes what he gets and doesn't look back. Manning lobs the ball down the field and hopes to God that someone is there.

 

[KDWilliams85]

Well, I guess Brady sucks then, considering his average margin of victory as the starting QB for NE is less than a TD

Brady doesn't suck just because he wins by less than 6 a game. His defense contributes to that. However, he's just as liable for not generating offense or having personel that can.

 

[The30YardSlant]

He's not the best. Just because he looks at Harrison all the time doesn't make him the best. He'll be the best when he wins the Lombardi and I'll say that he is. IF, and only IF, they win.

He is the best player in football. By the end of his career, he will be regarded as the greatest QB ever to play the game.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Brady doesn't suck just because he wins by less than 6 a game. His defense contributes to that. However, he's just as liable for not generating offense or having personel that can.

***??? So Manning is no good because he can barely beat a few teams, but Brady is the greatest because he can barely beat every team in the NFL?

Stop talking. Now.

 

[Sarge]

He's not the best. Just because he looks at Harrison all the time doesn't make him the best. He'll be the best when he wins the Lombardi and I'll say that he is. IF, and only IF, they win.

Get ready then, because irrespective of today's outcome, the Colts will win the Superbowl.

 

[KDWilliams85]

***??? So Manning is no good because he can barely beat a few teams, but Brady is the greatest because he can barely beat every team in the NFL?

Stop talking. Now.

I'm not saying Manning isn't good. I'm saying that he isn't the best. I'm not saying Brady is the greatest. I'm saying Brady is better than Manning because he makes big plays in big games while Manning chokes.

Bottom line: Manning chokes. Brady shines through. The numbers don't lie.

Manning - 0 Super Bowl appearances
Brady - 3 Super Bowl appearances and 3 wins

 

[KDWilliams85]

Get ready then, because irrespective of today's outcome, the Colts will win the Superbowl.

That's assuming Manning makes it to the Super Bowl.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm not saying Manning isn't good. I'm saying that he isn't the best. I'm not saying Brady is the greatest. I'm saying Brady is better than Manning because he makes big plays in big games while Manning chokes.

Bottom line: Manning chokes. Brady shines through. The numbers don't lie.

Manning - 0 Super Bowl appearances
Brady - 3 Super Bowl appearances and 3 wins

Brady had a better team than Manning all 3 seasons

You have no argument

 

[wsmith_1972]

ben, not even close.

ben plays a lot smarter. If Eli had the injury that ben has, he would be out for the season.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

Brady had a better team than Manning all 3 seasons

You have no argument

Good Lord don't bring the rest of the team into the argument. The defenses each team campaigns obviously are not relevant.

Anyone stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, NE defense matched up very well against that high powered Colts offense? Blame the weather all you want and Peyton's inability to perform in it, but at some point you have to tip your hat to NE's defensive dominance.

The ignorance of a few people on this board astounds me at times. Anyone that can't recognize Peyton's greatness should find a new sport to follow. The intricacies of football are simply beyond your comprehension. Try hopscotch.

Jon

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Big Ben is for me

 

[Wolverine]

He is the best player in football. By the end of his career, he will be regarded as the greatest QB ever to play the game.

He will go into the HOF but he is not even worthy of being mentioned with guys like -

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Elway
Brady


Some say Manning would not hold back the Pats if he was there QB. I am not sure. The big thing between Brady and Manning is that Brady has proven he does not choke in the big game. Manning is a choker in the big game.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I'll take Eli....not even close IMO.

With regards to Dilfer, if he was such a stud QB how long did he stay in Baltimore after the Superbowl win?

 

[The30YardSlant]

He will go into the HOF but he is not even worthy of being mentioned with guys like -

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Elway
Brady


Some say Manning would not hold back the Pats if he was there QB. I am not sure. The big thing between Brady and Manning is that Brady has proven he does not choke in the big game. Manning is a choker in the big game.

Bradshaw: Shows your true lack of knowledge about the game of football. Bradshaw was a VERY average QB on maybe the greatest dynasty in NFL history. When I say average, I mean the only reason he's in the HOF is because of his team.

Aikman: A good QB on a great team. Nowhere near Manning in terms of skill or ability.

Brady:

Elway: Only guy you can make al egit argument for, but still behind Manning in ability.

Montana: A great QB on a Great team. However, Jerry Rice and that defense made him look REALLY good.

Manning is better than all of them

 

[Wolverine]

Bradshaw: Shows your true lack of knowledge about the game of football. Bradshaw was a VERY average QB on maybe the greatest dynasty in NFL history. When I say average, I mean the only reason he's in the HOF is because of his team.

Aikman: A good QB on a great team. Nowhere near Manning in terms of skill or ability.

Brady:

Elway: Only guy you can make al egit argument for, but still behind Manning in ability.

Montana: A great QB on a Great team. However, Jerry Rice and that defense made him look REALLY good.

Manning is better than all of them

Whatever.

The only reason Manning is so great is cuz he has great talent around him and one of the best OL in the NFL and almost never gets pressured or sacked.

You say those other QBs had great talent around them but at least they won Super Bowls with that great talent around them. Manning has not.

Manning is a choker in the big game nothing more.


I would like to see how he would do here in Dallas with a that is one of the worse 5 OLs in the NFL instead of having one of the best OL in the NFL like he has in Indy. I am not sure if he would do any better then Bledsoe.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I'll take Eli....not even close IMO.

With regards to Dilfer, if he was such a stud QB how long did he stay in Baltimore after the Superbowl win?

He was by no means a stud but in all the games I've seen, he's the one that doesn't lose games. In Cleveland... c'mon... Cleveland...; in Seattle... he had the tools. Baltimore didn't really have a good offense with the exception of Jamal Lewis/Priest Holmes.

 

[Derinyar]

He was by no means a stud but in all the games I've seen, he's the one that doesn't lose games. In Cleveland... c'mon... Cleveland...; in Seattle... he had the tools. Baltimore didn't really have a good offense with the exception of Jamal Lewis/Priest Holmes.

So the fact that hes having just about his best statistical season in Cleveland this year doesn't matter?

Dilfer was a medicore QB that played just well enough to not LOSE games for Baltimore in 2000. a 76.8 QB rating shouldn't be acceptable for a starting QB in this NFL, or any NFL. A QB with a career QB rating of 71 is at best average.

So the GREATNESS of Dilfer has just been hidden because hes be a bad QB on bad teams.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

You say those other QBs had great talent around them but at least they won Super Bowls with that great talent around them. Manning has not.

Manning is a choker in the big game nothing more.

How long did it take Elway to get his ring? Your argument has no merit. All of the teams you mentioned above had good and or great defenses as well. Indy has not had a good defense until this year.

If we are talking about Dilfer why aren't we talking about Jim McMahon as well. Really, a SB win does not in any stretch make you a great QB. Marino is probably the best ever, and he has no jewelry.

Jon

 

[Future]

I'd say neither

Eli completes about 53% of his passes and a bunch of his yards come on dumpoffs to tiki

Ben throws like 20 times a game and only went 15-1 b/c of his defense and running game

I'll take leftwhich thank you very much

 

[C-BoysFaninMIA]

i wuold take Big Ben, he knows winning, and how to win