Wholesale change needed on the defensive line

Galian Beast

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A lot of people have mention that are defensive line is getting old, and that we need to fix it for the future.

I think there are a few things you have to look at especially as it pertains to this year

a) If all 4 starters on the line are healthy, we have one of the best defensive lines in football.
b) This is Marinelli's first year with our defensive line.
i) Most coaches will like to see what they are working with first before making wholesale changes.

Ex] Bill Callahan came to coach the cowboys offensive line in 2012.

Our 2011 starters:
Free - Holland - Costa - Kosier - Smith

2012 starters
Smith - Livings - Costa - Bernadeau - Free

3/5 of the starters were the same

2013 starters
Smith - Leary- Frederick - Free - Parnell

So only Smith remains a starter at the same position he was (even if Bernadeau starts at guard and free at tackle, you still see significant change).

I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 new starters on the defensive line next year. Though some of those players might already be on the team (like Bernadeau and Leary).

Crawford and Bass I think are somewhat likely candidates to start next year.

One thing we haven't really been doing under Garrett, is poaching veteran talent who played under previous coaches. We did that some with Rob Ryan, but not so much anywhere else.

We didn't bring in any of Callahan's guys (except when we tried to bring in Moore as a last ditch move) even to be stopgaps. And we haven't brought in any of Marinelli's guys, even though many of them were available. This tells me that the coaches think those players are JAGs and they can find suitable alternatives elsewhere.

In conclusion, I would say that while defensive line is certainly a worry this year as far as whether or not they can stay healthy, I think it's fairly obvious that we will focus on improving the defensive line in next years draft (even if we select a guard/tackle early).

I would actually give up the entire draft just to get Clowney. I think matching him up with Ware would be excellent. Worst case scenario, we could sign a guy like Hatcher to a couple more years. But if Bass is truly able to replace him, that's fine.

Ware - Bass - Crawford - Clowney. That works for me.
 

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We get Clowney your way, it's franchise suicide. Clowney isn't the missing piece to a Super Bowl. I'll pass on Clowney for more draft picks that focus on EVERY position across the board in the trenches!
 

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We get Clowney your way, it's franchise suicide. Clowney isn't the missing piece to a Super Bowl. I'll pass on Clowney for more draft picks that focus on EVERY position across the board in the trenches!

What pieces do you think are missing?
 

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What pieces do you think are missing?

OG, DE (with Spencer up in the air), DT (Ratliff and Hatcher contract situations). Crawford can only replace one of the fore mentioned in Spencer, Ratliff or Hatch. Bass isn't someone I want to rely on down after down and if Free is our best option at G, that's says everything. Clowney would be nice though, just not for a Ricky Williams type deal.
 

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Corner is somewhat of a concern, and I'm not sure it should be given what we had on the roster a few days ago. But, I also agree the DL is getting old and hearing about anything that has to do with the Cowboys OL is getting old, so I'd like to see those position's addressed, as well.
 

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We can have a deadly DL if/when Spencer and Ratliff come back healthy. We still don't have much depth. When those 4 guys aren't on the field, I'm not too sure what kind of production we'll get out of our rotation guys.
 

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Can Clowney play OL, DL and Safety? Doing that plan is the exact thing that got this franchise in trouble; going for a big splash, instead of balancing our entire roster
 

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I can't think of one team in the league who feels they are just one player away.
 

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I can't think of one team in the league who feels they are just one player away.

IT never works. I remember when the Falcons gave up everything for Julio Jones. Which you know if you feel like you're getting a stud then go for it. It didn't hurt them but me personally I feel like they could've used those picks on the defensive side of the ball.
 

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DT, G, OT, CB, S, LB, QB, RB.... you always need to be looking for quality players you just never know when someone will have an injury, lose a step, or become too expensive.

lmao...

The reality is that you barely get 2 starting players from a draft, and when you have the ability to get a catalytic player, you do it,

It's funny the people on this board will overvalue a player once they are already on the team, but if they aren't on the team yet, they terribly undervalue them.

Ask Washington if their move to get RG3 didn't turn their franchise around..
 

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I think they'll pick up a FA o-lineman next year and add to both lines in the draft but using Washington as an example of how good a huge trade can be is weak. They made one playoff game barely and did that against a defense missing 6 starters, at the halfway point of the season people were sticking a fork in Shanahan. Those kind of trades are bad.
 

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lmao...

The reality is that you barely get 2 starting players from a draft, and when you have the ability to get a catalytic player, you do it,

It's funny the people on this board will overvalue a player once they are already on the team, but if they aren't on the team yet, they terribly undervalue them.

Ask Washington if their move to get RG3 didn't turn their franchise around..

Ask the Saints if Ricky Williams turned their franchise around or for that matter what about what Herschel Walker did for the Vikings?
 

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Ask the Saints if Ricky Williams turned their franchise around or for that matter what about what Herschel Walker did for the Vikings?

The obvious difference there is that those two were RBs. Or, as Jerry taught us, you also don't sell your team down the river for a veteran WR. QB, on the other hand, you better get the right guy, but it's worth it if he's a difference maker like RGIII.
 

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The obvious difference there is that those two were RBs. Or, as Jerry taught us, you also don't sell your team down the river for a veteran WR. QB, on the other hand, you better get the right guy, but it's worth it if he's a difference maker like RGIII.

You mean you don't trade away a 1st for a WR playing on a winless team? :p I still don't believe in mortgaging your draft for anybody of course hindsight is 20/20 but at the time, in the moment it's too much of gamble.
 

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Trading away all of the Cowboys picks in 2014 would only be worth the difference between about the #10 overall pick and the #1 overall pick.
 

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OG, DE (with Spencer up in the air), DT (Ratliff and Hatcher contract situations). Crawford can only replace one of the fore mentioned in Spencer, Ratliff or Hatch. Bass isn't someone I want to rely on down after down and if Free is our best option at G, that's says everything. Clowney would be nice though, just not for a Ricky Williams type deal.

This.

D-line (end or tackle) should be the 1st round priority next year with OG as a second round priority. The d-line needs an influx of blue-chip youth to compliment Ware.
 

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No, no, no.... You don't understand football. I have it on good authority from many experts here that OGs are what is needed to win. Pass rushers are sexy picks and therefore, not needed. You and I do not understand football. We want pass rushers, but that is a sign of football ignorance. We need to become smarter... and value the OG.
 

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Rat and Spencer won't be back so there are going to be big changes on the DL next year.
 

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No, no, no.... You don't understand football. I have it on good authority from many experts here that OGs are what is needed to win. Pass rushers are sexy picks and therefore, not needed. You and I do not understand football. We want pass rushers, but that is a sign of football ignorance. We need to become smarter... and value the OG.


not sure who you are talking about here but i am pretty sure that most who wanted (and still want) us to focus on OL, have consistently said that DL is right behind that as our second biggest need, followed by safety

our FO seems to think that we need more CBs, WRs, and TEs
 
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