Whos Ready 2 see some ballhawking plays being made?

[Idgit]

First off, I was addressing the poster who said Henry and Newman would be great this year. Unfortunely, this place is full of optimism and little realism, so it's hard to deal with everyone at once.

Just an aside to say that it cracks me up to see how beat-down the Commander psyche is that notions of optimism and realism start to become mutually exclusive.

Just look at the line in Vegas to see where people who put skin in the game think the reasons for optimism are for the coming year. Then look at the top of your innernets page and realize you're posting on CowboysZone and not Extremelythin-Skins.

 

[superpunk]

Okay, that's fine. I thought you were just throwing an idea out there. As you said something to the effect of like a signature or avatar bet. Indicating a choice between the two... Indicating a non-conclusive decision.

Also, we got to put in a caveat for injury.

He's got to play at least 13 games. DEal?

Firehawk judges corners by the number of INTs they get?

That's clue #857 about his football I.Q.

Oh, and hawk -- Don't count on Bradie James being on the field nearly as much as he was last year.


We couldn't tell.

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?

SMACK!

 

[DallasEast]

Okay, let me break this down real simple-like for you. You said that consistent pressure will make Newman and Henry superstars under the assumptive inversive logic. Oh wait, let me back that up.
It is well-known that a non-existent pass rush turns a good secondary into swiss cheese. You assume that a great pass rush turns your decent but unspectacular secondary into a great one because if A=B then the opposite of A must also equal the opposite of B. That just isn't true... A better pass rush will help without a doubt. But you break down the weaknesses in Newman and Henry and just because of more errant throws doesn't mean these guys will pick up a whole crapload of INTs... Why???
Newman is a guy who will play not to get beat, so instead of going for INTs and chance giving up the big play, he'll knock the ball down instead. He could foreseeably increase his INT #s, but not up to superstar range (IMO 7-10).
Henry's problem is awareness, he has a problem getting his head around to spot the ball, and that won't change no matter how much pressure there is.

Merciful Mary of God.

Chocolate Lab beat me to it. Slapping an INT total on a cornerback is really glamourous, but unnecessary. Any pressure, which results in a quarterback hurries, produces less accurate passes (i.e. incompletions, intentional groundings, etc.), interceptions (your only criteria), fumbles or passes not being thrown at all.

In pass coverage (emphasis on the word c-o-v-e-r-a-g-e, a cornerback is the last line of defense between the quarterback and his receiver. A strong pass rush fortifies that last line--making any cornerback's job that much easier. That's Football 101. At this point, please, PRETTY PLEASE tell me you have to "make it simplier" for me to comprehend.

 

[firehawk350]

Merciful Mary of God.

Chocolate Lab beat me to it. Slapping an INT total on a cornerback is really glamourous, but unnecessary. Any pressure, which results in a quarterback hurries, produces less accurate passes (i.e. incompletions, intentional groundings, etc.), interceptions (your only criteria), fumbles or passes not being thrown at all.

In pass coverage (emphasis on the word c-o-v-e-r-a-g-e, a cornerback is the last line of defense between the quarterback and his receiver. A strong pass rush fortifies that last line--making any cornerback's job that much easier. That's Football 101. At this point, please, PRETTY PLEASE tell me you have to "make it simplier" for me to comprehend.

Ugh, sorry I wasn't able to respond, baby was throwing up everywhere. I know what coverage is. But I'm dwelling on the superstar aspect. You don't become a superstar without forcing turnovers (at least at corner). The logic behind that is only INTs, forced fumbles, big hits, loud mouths, TDs (off of fumble recoveries) and sacks make it into the collective conscious of sports America (for defenders). Knocking down a lot of passes will never make a person well-known. Being well-known is the prerequisite to being a superstar. So again, unless he increases his INTs, TDs or starts talking a lot, then he's not going to be a superstar. And BTW, glamor is a part of being a superstar.
In case there is serious miscommunication (say it aint so), I don't doubt they will be more effective with a better pass rush, I doubt that it will turn them into superstars.

 

[firehawk350]

Also, we got to put in a caveat for injury.

He's got to play at least 13 games. DEal?


What did the 5 fingers say to the face?

SMACK!

Okay, deal...

 

[firehawk350]

Firehawk judges corners by the number of INTs they get?

That's clue #857 about his football I.Q.

Oh, and hawk -- Don't count on Bradie James being on the field nearly as much as he was last year.


We couldn't tell.

No, I don't judge corners based on INT totals, I judge them based on yards/YPC given up, TDs given up, INTs, TDs, and run support. Give me a Newman type over a DeAngelo Hall type any day of the week.

 

[DallasEast]

Ugh, sorry I wasn't able to respond, baby was throwing up everywhere.

I replied 21 hours ago and the baby's still vomiting? What's left to upchuck? Toenails???

I know what coverage is.

Well, I'm convinced you know what an interception is, but not so much about coverage.

But I'm dwelling on the superstar aspect.

Oh, you mean the superstar cornerbacks who stab 7-10 INTs yearly when the quarterback has zero pressure applied on him by the pass rush during those 7-10 pass attempts, right? Gotcha.

You don't become a superstar without forcing turnovers (at least at corner).

And a superstar cornerback forces 7-10 interceptions (e.g. turnovers) per year without any pressure applied on the quarterback by his teammates. It's all on him. The superstar who, left on an island, with his defensive line taking a knee and zero blitzing, prevented 7-10 completions on his own. Yep. Still gotcha.

The logic behind that is only INTs, forced fumbles, big hits, loud mouths, TDs (off of fumble recoveries) and sacks make it into the collective conscious of sports America (for defenders).

I would ask that you would re-read my first comment of how I believe Henry and Newman could become superstars, but I've got the feeling that its meaning would be lost once again.

Knocking down a lot of passes will never make a person well-known.

Really? Hmm...

So, for example, a Champ Bailey, who didn't enjoy a 7-10 INT season in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2005, but did knock down 12, 10, 14, 19, 7 and 15 passes those seasons isn't well-known for doing just that. He's only well-known for intercepting 13 passes in '04 and 12 passes last season. Gotcha.

Being well-known is the prerequisite to being a superstar.

Thank goodness Champ's only been well-known for two of his nine seasons as a pro!

So again, unless he increases his INTs, TDs or starts talking a lot, then he's not going to be a superstar.

Poor Champ. I always thought he was a superstar.

You know what? I'm gonna be %@&# if Henry knocks down 20 passes like he did last season; or how Newman knocked down 17 and 14 passes in '03 and '05. That would certainly be a bad year for them. I mean, where's the superstar value in doing the dirty work?

And BTW, glamor is a part of being a superstar.

And all the superstars get to wear custom grills a la Chad Johnson too!

In case there is serious miscommunication (say it aint so), I don't doubt they will be more effective with a better pass rush, I doubt that it will turn them into superstars.

Okey-dokey. Waitasec, I hear the baby crying.

OMG!

THERE'S PEA SOUP ALL OVER THE WALLS! Someone call 911! Someone call the doctor! And for heavens' sake, someone call CBZ!!!

 

[5Stars]

IOkey-dokey. Waitasec, I hear the baby crying.

OMG!

THERE'S PEA SOUP ALL OVER THE WALLS! Someone call 911! Someone call the doctor! And for heavens' sake, someone call CBZ!!!

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Sounds like someone needs an Exorcist...

 

[TDH]

I cant wait to see Pat Watkins doing the "ball-hawking"

Yeah...I cant either, but i wont be holding my breath. (HE IS AWFUL!)

 

[DallasEast]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Sounds like someone needs an Exorcist...

The Exorcist is my all-time favorite horror flick. Now that I think about it... Cbz's probably as old as Max Von Sydow looked in that film...



j/k Cbz

 

[5Stars]

Yeah...I cant either, but i wont be holding my breath. (HE IS AWFUL!)

I'm 100% positive that you knew everything that was going on in your first job, huh?

 

[superpunk]

Yeah...I cant either, but i wont be holding my breath. (HE IS AWFUL!)

well....he WAS awful. Then he WAS average - at least we werent hearing his name in a BAD way. Certainly he's done nothing yet to earn him the adoration he receives on this forum, while ACTUAL playmakers like Roy Williams are undeservedly trashed.

 

[superpunk]

You guarantee me that huh? What's that worth? And define in the running? Mentioned in the top 3 candidates consistently?

We'll just have a sig bet, or avatar bet. Whoever loses has to wear the other's avatar/sig of choice for 3 months.

In the running would be getting mentioned at the end of the year. In a similar vein to Champ Bailey and merriman last year. They didn't win, but they were definitely considered. You can tell the difference, and so can I.

Okay, agreed, how about this... If Ware is mentioned, I'll finish every prediction I make next year here with "if Romo/Roy wills it" depending if it's defense or offense. And I'll wear a signature of your choice. Name your stakes...

I already did.

I'll come up with something when you lose.

Okay, that's fine. I thought you were just throwing an idea out there. As you said something to the effect of like a signature or avatar bet. Indicating a choice between the two... Indicating a non-conclusive decision.

Also, we got to put in a caveat for injury.

He's got to play at least 13 games. DEal?


What did the 5 fingers say to the face?

SMACK!

Okay, deal...

So, I think it's pretty clear that Ware is being mentioned as a front-runner for DPOY. Do I win, Cowboyszone? Where's firehawk?

 

[AsthmaField]

Yes! You win!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

:laugh2:

Gotta love getting out the shovels and pickaxes to dig up these old threads.

I want to say how wrong I was, though. I thought we'd give up more long passes in a more aggressive scheme... Instead, we improved both our sacks and INTs *and* gave up fewer bombs.

 

[firehawk350]

Sorry, holidays and a move, not on very much. But I'm here now. I agree, you win. What's the deal?

 

[Hostile]

Sorry, holidays and a move, not on very much. But I'm here now. I agree, you win. What's the deal?

Where'd you move to? Still in Sierra Vista, or a new assignment?

 

[firehawk350]

Moved to VA. Working in Ft Belvior now. But I'm not Army, I'm just a contractor. The move was my call.