ScipioCowboy;2844433 said:And the story over the past decade has been negative for the most part. Do you not agree?
Yakuza Rich;2844852 said:Mostly negative? I'm not so sure.
'98-'99 there's no reason to be 'mostly negative.'
'00 - '02 - agreed, negative indeed.
'03 - nope, 10-6 season.
I completely agree with you concerning the juvenile and sophomoric name calling and insults, such as Mr. Fix It and Coach Cupcake.'04 - negative
'05-'08 = exactly what we want? No. But mostly negative? I don't think so either. Especially '07, where in the MIDST OF A 10 GAME WINNING STREAK THEY WERE MOSTLY NEGATIVE.
I'd say that's a 7-4 difference between a 'not deservedly negative season' and a 'deservedly negative season.'
And it still doesn't stop the fact that they act downright unprofessional with childish insults. Guys like Damon Runyan, Shirley Povich and Grantland Rice would be rolling over in their graves.
And then when it's put into question, they'll say 'it's not our job to root for the Cowboys!' It's also not their job to make irrational statements, resort to childish insults and to try and start up controversy just for the sake of it.
ScipioCowboy;2844415 said:Journalists have a responsibility to be critical of the team they cover.
The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 12 years. Where is the reason for positivity?
Given that the past decade has featured far more downs than ups in Dallas, how can a critical journalist be anything but negative?
ScipioCowboy;2844916 said:As I recall, following the 10-6 season, JFE predicted that the Cowboys would make it to the Super Bowl. Other pundits expressed trepidation about the lack of talent at certain key positions (such as quarterback) and the late season defensive swoon. Unfortunately, their concerns and criticisms would be validated by a 6-10 finish the very next season.
I completely agree with you concerning the juvenile and sophomoric name calling and insults, such as Mr. Fix It and Coach Cupcake.
However, after 12 consecutive seasons without playoff win, don't you expect to find an abundance of negativity?
TwoDeep3;2844939 said:Every year someone somewhere asks this question.
Did once you guys who ask this ever go back and see that the negativity was accurate?
Therein lies your answer. They don't see what's to be excited about. And when they say what they think, fans blast them for their opinion.
Now let's count down to the post where someone says, "but what happens when they're wrong? They don't admit it."
But in the last dozen years, they have pretty much said this team ain't all that except last year when the SB was predicted.
Maybe it's not the mediots, but the fans who are wrong?
I bet this goes over like a rash in a nudist colony.
Jay;2844943 said:It's not all about their predictions, its about their general blog entries, topics, and actual content. If it were simply predictions, that would be one thing.. but its not, not at all.
odog422;2844932 said:As Yakuza mentioned above as a topic, the issues in punt coverage. Something like this...or why with our OL being the size it is, we have problems running the ball consistently. That's what I want to see. I understand your point about the success of the team. But why? Why are they unsuccessful?
Unfortunately for most of us, that type of writing requires real work, i.e., interviews with coaches, interviews with perhaps other teams players or coaches, maybe some good old fashioned tape review. Almost all of these guys simply aren't willing to put that kind of effort in. Or are willing to try to come up with original ideas.
That, in a nutshell, is the problem.
TwoDeep3;2844939 said:Every year someone somewhere asks this question.
Did once you guys who ask this ever go back and see that the negativity was accurate?
Therein lies your answer. They don't see what's to be excited about. And when they say what they think, fans blast them for their opinion.
Now let's count down to the post where someone says, "but what happens when they're wrong? They don't admit it."
But in the last dozen years, they have pretty much said this team ain't all that except last year when the SB was predicted.
Maybe it's not the mediots, but the fans who are wrong?
I bet this goes over like a rash in a nudist colony.
TwoDeep3;2844939 said:Every year someone somewhere asks this question.
Did once you guys who ask this ever go back and see that the negativity was accurate?
Therein lies your answer. They don't see what's to be excited about. And when they say what they think, fans blast them for their opinion.
Now let's count down to the post where someone says, "but what happens when they're wrong? They don't admit it."
But in the last dozen years, they have pretty much said this team ain't all that except last year when the SB was predicted.
Maybe it's not the mediots, but the fans who are wrong?
I bet this goes over like a rash in a nudist colony.
Idgit;2844962 said:Rashes in a nudist colony spread for a good reason. Unlike this opinion.
The problem with the Dallas media isn't that it's negative. It's that it's bad. The write repetitive stories based on undocumented support and draw negative conclusions based off of their collective misunderstanding of the game. They pick sides with their favorite players and break 'stories' that will get coverage but which they know they cannot substantiate. They pick fights with the head coach in press conferences. They give insulting nicknames. They repeatedly make factual errors in their reports. They're comfortable and they're arrogant. I'm not a Dallas area local, but I can't stand to read most of them, and I don't know that I've ever lived in a place with such poor coverage, honestly.
There have been reporters who've covered the Cowboys who were very good but were never particularly complimentary. Albert Breer is the most obvious example. Mosely, before he became a full time blogger was good, though he was pretty complimentary (he should have been, since we had such a good team). But those guys are the exceptions to the rules. Colinshaw, JJT, Watkins, and Macmahon are a step above professional clowns. Watkins not even a step up since he's wearing the big shoes and it's apparently hard for him to walk in them.
Idgit;2844962 said:Rashes in a nudist colony spread for a good reason. Unlike this opinion.
The problem with the Dallas media isn't that it's negative. It's that it's bad. The write repetitive stories based on undocumented support and draw negative conclusions based off of their collective misunderstanding of the game. They pick sides with their favorite players and break 'stories' that will get coverage but which they know they cannot substantiate. They pick fights with the head coach in press conferences. They give insulting nicknames. They repeatedly make factual errors in their reports. They're comfortable and they're arrogant. I'm not a Dallas area local, but I can't stand to read most of them, and I don't know that I've ever lived in a place with such poor coverage, honestly.
There have been reporters who've covered the Cowboys who were very good but were never particularly complimentary. Albert Breer is the most obvious example. Mosely, before he became a full time blogger was good, though he was pretty complimentary (he should have been, since we had such a good team). But those guys are the exceptions to the rules. Colinshaw, JJT, Watkins, and Macmahon are a step above professional clowns. Watkins not even a step up since he's wearing the big shoes and it's apparently hard for him to walk in them.
TwoDeep3;2844986 said:I always find the positon that they know nothing, are hacks, and have an agenda to be a blanket indictment with little substance.
I don't know a great deal about football. I have watched this team for every season they have been in existence. Being a Dallas native I have also read the writers throughout the years.
Back in the day the poison pen writers who always looked down at the team and nothing ever was ever right were around. There were a few that lambasted the team and found a perverse pleasure in ridiculing the team.
But I also remember Galloway when he was a baseball writer hungry to break off the beat and become a featured writer. He stood behind Blackie Sherrod for so many years.
I think it is a difficult job to write about a team. Then marry in the editor who assigns the angle and changes your words. The tedium of writing several articles a week and being out at Valley Ranch or wherever all the time.
But I also see fans who disregard some very sage words about the team stating they are crap.
Very seldom do I see fans come back and say, "Remember that article back in November when writer XYZ brought up that player ABC was having trouble with a certain type of blitz pick-up. I said the writer was a moron, but it sure looks like he nailed it now."
Breer brought Xs and Os. The rest find a niche and try to use it as a point to start a view of something interesting.
Time of season or off-season has a great deal to do with this.
I don't like JJT. But he was the first person to say Jerry would sign Galloway. So he must know something.
I like Fisher. I think he has about the most even keeled approach to this tea.
Bob Sturm is one of the best. But if you are looking for sugar-coating, then pass him by.
That is the way I see the fan. They want sugar-coating and not much reality. Nothing that suiggests their dreams will be dashed on the rocks.
When they get this, they name call.
I do find that amusing.
Idgit;2844989 said:There's a tendency for hard core fans to support their teams, that's normal. But that's not the problem with the Dallas media. My problem with them isn't necessarily that they aren't all x's and o's guys. Though a bit of football knowledge would be nice. I don't get giving them credit for knowing about things like the Galloway signing before fans do, because they have access fans don't, and that access is the same for every major sports market. I don't see any evidence that JJT has better inside info than his counterparts here in the Bay Area do, for instance.
There are dozen topics they could cover in between the is-Tony-Romo-a-leader nonsense that directly bear on the team's performance. Why do Wade and Garrett get a pass for an offense that led the league in penalties last year? Why didn't the defense get as many takeaways as expected when we led the league in sacks? What does the team really feel its got for the future at left tackle? Instead they use blog entries to test the waters for sensational stories. Roy Williams doesn't lift weights. Really? Oh, wait: it was Coachable Roy Williams doesn't lift weights. What did TO twitter about Tony Romo again? Give me a break.
It's not that this stuff is negative. It's insipid. And I understand posting this crap 70% of the time--after all, the point is to have people read it and most casual sports fans are stupid--but does it really hurt readership to sneak in the occasional interesting story? Even a tidbit like what a Philly player thought about blocking Spencer instead of Ellis is relevant and interesting now and then. It can be directly attributed and it bore directly on a sensational story that was also circulating during the same news cycle. Breer, getting a comment from Mike Martz on the record about Roy Williams' prospects for the upcoming season is another example. There's meat out there to be had. I don't know why we settle for a steady diet of Fruit Loops.
Chocolate Lab;2844426 said:Well for one, I'd hope they'd be more thoughtful than that. The Raiders have won a playoff game since we have... Are they better off than we are?
For me, forget the positive/negative slant. No one is asking them to be cheerleaders. I'd just like some reasonably intelligent writing. The Washington Post has some very good writing, whether they're enthusiastic about the team or not. Meanwhile we get garbage like JJT and JFE put out that isn't fit for the bird cage.