Why aren't we talking more about lack of preseason play for starters?

[Jipper]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

 

[Jarntt]

I don't think a few series in the preseason would have mattered. Some other teams didn't seem to have problems and the joint practices seem to provide any needed preparation for the season. These guys ran hundreds of plays together in the offseason. We sucked and our players performed poorly but I didn't get the feeling a couple more reps in meaningless preseason games would have mattered. Our timing didn't look off last year in week 1 against this Tampa D and how much more did our guys play last year?

 

[Awakened]

I agree it was part of the problem. Someone posted a stat on Twitter that teams whose starters didn’t play in preseason were 3-8 Week 1.

 

[Jipper]

I don't think a few series in the preseason would have mattered. Some other teams didn't seem to have problems and the joint practices seem to provide any needed preparation for the season. These guys ran hundreds of plays together in the offseason. We sucked and our players performed poorly but I didn't get the feeling a couple more reps in meaningless preseason games would have mattered. Our timing didn't look off last year in week 1 against this Tampa D and how much more did our guys play last year?

last year we had a lot of cohesion from the year prior (maintaining the same skill players) - i agree that i don't think its the fix but hard to imagine that it wouldnt have helped with so many new skill players out there

 

[Jarntt]

last year we had a lot of cohesion from the year prior (maintaining the same skill players) - i agree that i don't think its the fix but hard to imagine that it wouldnt have helped with so many new skill players out there

Even teams that play their starters in the preseason don't generally open up their play book and more just play a vanilla offense. I just think it's a trendy criticism because things didn't go well, but who knows. I would buy it more if our OL was horrible week 1 because there were a lot of moving parts there and I think that is where you need your cohesion more, but the OL was actually better than I feared

Personally I would have done it because I think it is worth the injury risk but I just can't blame how we played on not doing it.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It wouldn't have mattered.

This isn't a good group of players. At least on the offensive side.

I think not playing players in preseason is weak though, because you should take any chance to get better as you can, but our guys just will take the easy road whenever offered it.

 

[kskboys]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

I think it would fix a lot. And it was obvious all over the NFL that the starters needed to play a bit in preseason.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I’m just not a big believer that it really matters. The 1000+ snaps these guys had in camp make more of a difference than the series or two they would have gotten in preseason.

I’m more worried about the predictability of the offense.

 

[blueblood70]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

because last season we started 7-2 with the same offseason programs. like 15 snaps would have helped with non-schemed vanilla play calls..they practiced and scrimmaged all offseason..

I'm getting dumber by the day reading a lot of these posts,, mind numbing. common sense it didn't matter last year how does it this year?

 

[kskboys]

I don't think a few series in the preseason would have mattered. Some other teams didn't seem to have problems and the joint practices seem to provide any needed preparation for the season. These guys ran hundreds of plays together in the offseason. We sucked and our players performed poorly but I didn't get the feeling a couple more reps in meaningless preseason games would have mattered. Our timing didn't look off last year in week 1 against this Tampa D and how much more did our guys play last year?

Well, you seem to have it in your head that the preseason is meaningless, so you prolly wouldn't be convinced no matter what.

This BSPN driven idea that the preseason is meaningless is almost as bad as the flat earth theory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jarntt]

Well, you seem to have it in your head that the preseason is meaningless, so you prolly wouldn't be convinced no matter what.

This BSPN driven idea that the preseason is meaningless is almost as bad as the flat earth theory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That doesn't even border on being a rational comment...

 

[Jipper]

because last season we started 7-2 with the same offseason programs. like 15 snaps would have helped with non-schemed vanilla play calls..they practiced and scrimmaged all offseason..

I'm getting dumber by the day reading a lot of these posts,, mind numbing. common sense it didn't matter last year how does it this year?

honestly, you might not have read it then...last years team maintained the skill positions of the year prior, this years team didnt....big difference and the missing cohesion showed. If you are unable to understand that additional real time experience would have helped somewhat then you might want to rethink what you deem "common sense"...bc common sense shows that when you have a very different wr core you need more work on timing.

 

[blueblood70]

I’m just not a big believer that it really matters. The 1000+ snaps these guys had in camp make more of a difference than the series or two they would have gotten in preseason.

I’m more worried about the predictability of the offense.

100

 

[john van brocklin]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

Agree with you 1000%
The execution was overall sloppy.
Playing the Starters a few series is with the risk.

 

[nightrain]

The Bucs play starters in preseason?

 

[blueblood70]

honestly, you might not have read it then...last years team maintained the skill positions of the year prior, this years team didnt....big difference and the missing cohesion showed. If you are unable to understand that additional real time experience would have helped somewhat then you might want to rethink what you deem "common sense"...bc common sense shows that when you have a very different wr core you need more work on timing.

IDC what you think..next read that .. carefully.

 

[Captain-Crash]

probably because if jerry plays them and they get hurt the criers would be crying, "why did jerry make _____ play? He shouldn't have been playing he should have been practicing his celebration dance and hand gestures instead of playing!!!! this team sucks" then the tears started.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

Dak would have gotten killed. When the oline is as bad as ours you almost cant play your QB.

 

[charron]

I agree the pre-season would have helped expose this trash receiver core. But would it have mattered? Doubt it. Do you really think these offensive coaches are capable of making adjustments? I dont.

 

[RS12]

More grasping at straws. TB stomped the Cowboys (not nearly as close as the score indicated) because talent and coaching wins in this league.