Why aren't we talking more about lack of preseason play for starters?

[TequilaCowboy]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

Most teams nowadays do not play their regulars much, if any, during PS games. But it does make practice and TC even much more important and this is where the offensive coaches failed.

 

[kskboys]

I’m just not a big believer that it really matters. The 1000+ snaps these guys had in camp make more of a difference than the series or two they would have gotten in preseason.

I’m more worried about the predictability of the offense.

You think practice snaps are more important than game snaps? Ouch.

Man, there's some talking heads that simply have you guys snowed. Quit falling for it.

 

[Captain-Crash]

If the starters are not playing in the preseason, I just wish they wouldn't have any training camp either. just start the season, let the crap fall where it falls.
they don't need any stupid preseason it's just for the owners to make money off the stupid people who go to those games. shrugs, all true.

 

[kskboys]

That doesn't even border on being a rational comment...

If you have comprehension problems, nope.

 

[kskboys]

I just wish they wouldn't have any training camp either. just start the season, let the crap fall where it falls.
they don't need any stupid preseason it's just for the owners to make money off the stupid people who go to those games. shrugs, all true.

Charging full price for preseason games is simple theft. Annnnndddd, whose idea was it?

 

[Jarntt]

honestly, you might not have read it then...last years team maintained the skill positions of the year prior, this years team didnt....big difference and the missing cohesion showed. If you are unable to understand that additional real time experience would have helped somewhat then you might want to rethink what you deem "common sense"...bc common sense shows that when you have a very different wr core you need more work on timing.

But they get all of that in practice every day and they held joint practices against 3 (or maybe it was 2) different teams where they did all of this. Those practices are so much more important than preseason games where you run a vanilla offense. It just seems like an overreaction to playing poorly. In these practice situations if something doesn't work right you can run it over and over again until it does and you can stop and teach. You just don't get that level of cohesion in preseason games. I'm not pointing this at you, I just read it all over social media. The problem was we sucked and I don't think anything was going to change that.

So if you play your starters, what are you going to run, 20 preseason plays? So let's say 10 passes? Half with just 2 receivers and CeeDee and Brown were both here last year and they were in for 97% and 88% of our offensive plays week 1. So that goes against the new players idea. Houston was in for 57% of plays and Fehoko only 23%. So those guys would get what, 5 snaps with Dak in the preseason? And would they even get any balls thrown their way? Maybe 1 each? What is that really gong to do? It just seems like a huge overreaction to me, but like I said, who knows. Last year Dak didn't have a full offseason and had a crazy good first half of the year. I don't think the problem was 20 preseason snaps

 

[Captain-Crash]

Charging full price for preseason games is simple theft. Annnnndddd, whose idea was it?

well, the owner needs more money to pay these dancers and sign language guys. You know, they're stars and stars need the money.

and stupid fans say, pay them, they are worth it, then cry about ticket prices and crap at the stadium. you can't make this crap up.

"they will only play for so many years, who cares if they make the cost of everything go up" lmao the stupidest crap I've ever heard.


you got to love hero worshipping stupid people

 

[kskboys]

But they get all of that in practice every day and they held joint practices against 3 (or maybe it was 2) different teams where they did all of this. Those practices are so much more importatn than preseason games where you run a vanilla offense. It just seems like an overreaction to playing poorly. In these situations if something doesn't work right you can run it over and over again until it does. You just don't get that level of cohesion in preseason games. I'm not pointing this at you, I just read it all over social media. The problem was we sucked and I don't think anything was going to change that.

So if you p[lay your starters, what are you going to run, 20 preseason plays? So let's say 10 passes? Half with just 2 receivers and CeeDee and Brown were both here last year and they were in for 97% and 88% of our offensive plays week 1. So that goes against the new players idea. Houston was in for 57% of plays and Fehoko only 23%. So those guys would get what, 5 snaps with Dak in the preseason? And would they even get any balls thrown their way? Maybe 1 each? What is that really gong to do? It just seems like a huge overreaction to me, but like I said, who knows. Last year Dak didn't have a full offseason and had a crazy good first half of the year. I don't think the problem was 20 preseason snaps

Our problem, prolly not. Aaron Rodgers' problem? Absolutely.

It's even possible that Dak doesn't get hurt if he plays a bit in preseason.

 

[Jarntt]

Our problem, prolly not. Aaron Rodgers' problem? Absolutely.

It's even possible that Dak doesn't get hurt if he plays a bit in preseason.

It's more likely he gets hurt in the preseason than the idea that him playing in the preseason prevents that week 1 injury

 

[Coogiguy03]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET ANYONE HURT, I understand but our starters didn't have to play the whole game!!! Get them in for a series or two and take them out!!!

Hell they should play the starters like they do in the pro bowl, two hand touch

 

[thunderpimp91]

You think practice snaps are more important than game snaps? Ouch.

Man, there's some talking heads that simply have you guys snowed. Quit falling for it.

If you consider preseason actual games then fine. It’s heavily depth players running 80% base offense/defense with referees experimenting with rule changes. There is a reason why preseason is filled with pet cats who play lights out but can’t find a job a couple weeks later.

so overall yes I’ll take the practice reps, especially the joint practice reps over the preseason reps. The quality of the rep is the same but you get so many more without the bs and pageantry around it.

My bigger concern is how teams have dumbed down the offseason schedules. Guys are getting less and less practice time and the time they have is becoming increasingly less physical.

 

[Coogiguy03]

If you consider preseason actual games then fine. It’s heavily depth players running 80% base offense/defense with referees experimenting with rule changes. There is a reason why preseason is filled with pet cats who play lights out but can’t find a job a couple weeks later.

so overall yes I’ll take the practice reps, especially the joint practice reps over the preseason reps. The quality of the rep is the same but you get so many more without the bs and pageantry around it.

My bigger concern is how teams have dumbed down the offseason schedules. Guys are getting less and less practice time and the time they have is becoming increasingly less physical.

I'm sorry my friend the vanilla offense bothers me it always has. This team doesn't have many plays, same that we see ran in the pre season, are the same I've seen in in the season

 

[tyke1doe]

Cause preseason is over?

 

[Pass2Run]

Yes I know its not the primary reason we had such a poor showing on Sunday, but why aren't we talking more about the impact that not having more playing time together in the preseason had on the offense specifically?

The timing was very much off in many situations (see pollard running into a block on a bubble screen, wr timing on routes, dak accuracy, etc.) and they team really had no rhythm.

I get we want to make sure that everyone is healthy to start the season, but there is something to be said about a few good series in the preseason to get the 1's into a rhythm and to see the game at full speed.

Again, not the "fix" for the situation as there are clearly many other issues, but curious as to why this element isn't getting more attention?

Yep.

I was saying the same thing. Game 1 was like a preseason game. At least there's one more game in a year. But they all looked like they were still in preseason, on offense at least.

 

[JayFord]

I agree the pre-season would have helped expose this trash receiver core. But would it have mattered? Doubt it. Do you really think these offensive coaches are capable of making adjustments? I dont.

they do make adjustments

they just dont make good ones

 

[ChuckA1]

I'm not certain what the cause, but the Cowboys players and coaches were terrible week 1. I'm not convinced playing in preseason games doesn't help players get ready for the season.

 

[links18]

Because it wouldn't haveadr much difference.

 

[blueblood70]

Agree with you 1000%
The execution was overall sloppy.
Playing the Starters a few series is with the risk.

disagree

1 series maybe 2 14-20 snaps was what most team player some of their starter MAX would not have helped game 1 they got plenty of work in joint practices and scrimmages, tat vanilla P:S snap nonsense doesn't help anyone but players Trying to make rosters or move up depth charts,

 

[Jarv]

The Bucs play starters in preseason?

Does Tom Brady play preseason games 2022?

Tampa Bay coach Todd Bowles revealed Thursday that he plans to play all his healthy starters, including Brady, when the Buccaneers travel to Indianapolis on Saturday for their third and final preseason game of 2022.Aug 25, 2022

 

[MyFairLady]

You don't play 40 million dollar superstars in preseason they are too valuable and their shoes might not fit well. Just because Brady would insist on playing some pre season snaps to be ready to go Week 1 is no reason for us not to coddle out studs.