Why Barron ?

[theogt]

This just in - Gerald Sensabaugh excels playing in the box.

What a physical presence he is. We're lucky to have him.

I'm not sure he's good at anything, really.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm not sure he's good at anything, really.

Just a guy.

Barron walks in as the best safety on the roster by a lot. I don't know where he got this in the box label.

 

[tm1119]

Exactly....but they are in the box safeties, where Sensy excels, who was just resigned...we need a safety who can cover a slot receiver from time to time and play the deep patrol. Who is going to play deep center field, Sensy or Barron?

If Barron, you take him away from what he does best, IMO.

I believe signing Poole tells you the type of safety we're looking for, a guy who excels in coverage.

Gerald Sensabaugh should have absolutely 0 affect on how any franchise bases their future. He's marginal at best and could easily be cut at any point.

 

[jnday]

Show us where he got burned many of those times you speak of so badly.

If anything it's Dre Kirkpatrick who was helped by the pass rush you talk about and I see many plays where Barron comes out of know where to snag a pick on a jump ball Kirkpatrick may have lost 1 on 1 with the WR.

He's a safety, not a corner. Remember that.

He has to be able to support the run, blitz the QB from time to time, break up passes and cover the back end of the LB's and DB's.

Barron does it all and I don't get what people are expecting from safeties now adays.

If we're looking for 4th, 5th and 6th corners put them out there and watch the oppositions o-line, TE's, FB's and running backs punish them in the run game.

Barron's the type of player that does not have to come off the field, is always where the ball is and impacts each play.

I'm not going back and picking out two years worth of coverage lapses for you . The rest of your post clearly excuses his coverage ability so you must think he comes up lacking in that area . I expect a safety taken with the 14th pick to have above average coverage ability . Barron is an above average safety in all areas except coverage . In the pass-happy NFL , I don't want a safety that is a coverage liability . Dallas has had those before .

 

[JBS]

I'm not sure he's good at anything, really.

he can cover TEs..might be it

 

[Bizwah]

I don't know that there were many that didn't have Barron as a first round pick when the season started.

Everything I had read had him as a first round pick. Plus, we have no idea what actual scouts were rating him early in the process. I think, now, with different "sources" and "leaks" folks are now seeing what real "professionals" think of the guy.

Barron didn't have the opportunity to work in the all-star games, the combine, or the first Bama pro-day. So, there will naturally be a little bit of anxiety from scouts until they have a chance at seeing him in person.

So, in a nutshell, I don't think scouts are seeing anything NEW with Barron. What they've seen lately, during his pro-day, verified what they were seeing on film.

That, to me, is the best explanation as to why he's rising.

 

[Risen Star]

he can cover TEs..might be it

I wish he was more physical.

Do you think WRs are intimidated in the slightest working the middle of our defense? I don't.

 

[JBS]

I wish he was more physical.

Do you think WRs are intimidated in the slightest working the middle of our defense? I don't.

i dont think there is anything physically intimidating about anything on our defense

 

[jnday]

Just a guy.

Barron walks in as the best safety on the roster by a lot. I don't know where he got this in the box label.

I've always told you that I agree with about 95% of your viewpoints . Change that to to 94.2% . I think Barron is better than the Cowboys' current safeties , but that is not saying alot . I just don't think he offers any value with the 14th pick . He will be a good player in the NFL . I want more than good with the 14th pick .

 

[NeonNinja]

I'm not going back and picking out two years worth of coverage lapses for you . The rest of your post clearly excuses his coverage ability so you must think he comes up lacking in that area . I expect a safety taken with the 14th pick to have above average coverage ability . Barron is an above average safety in all areas except coverage . In the pass-happy NFL , I don't want a safety that is a coverage liability . Dallas has had those before .

You can't go back and pick out the two years of lapses when you don't have them...

If you saw all his games and have come to this conclusion on him than I recommend seeing an optometrist ASAP.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I have no problem taking Barron, but I do have a HUGE problem taking him at 14. He's not worth it.

 

[jnday]

You can't go back and pick out the two years of lapses when you don't have them...

If you saw all his games and have come to this conclusion on him than I recommend seeing an optometrist ASAP.

I have missed watching two games in two years . I started keying on Barron due to the Cowboys' needs at the position . If my evaluation is wrong , so are countless scouting reports . How many of his games did you watch , or did you gather your opinion from the recent feel-good articles that named him as a potential draft prospect ?

 

[AKATheRake]

1) I'm not going back and picking out two years worth of coverage lapses for you . 2) The rest of your post clearly excuses his coverage ability so you must think he comes up lacking in that area . I expect a safety taken with the 14th pick to have above average coverage ability . Barron is an above average safety in all areas except coverage . In the pass-happy NFL , I don't want a safety that is a coverage liability . Dallas has had those before .

1. But you'll just say he can't cover and have seen him blow so many coverages that he's not capable enough in coverage for the 14th pick. Nothing but verbage and a statement saying you haven't been around the zone reading or discussing football much.

2. 2 forms of coverage were brought up in my previous post in which I said I have seen him do very well in. In fact said he's the type of player you do not take off the field because he doe's it all and impacts every play. Please try and make statements with substance/factual proof to back them up. The words you put in my mouth are the exact opposite of what I truly said.

Barron is a fantastic safety and there are a lot of teams actually slated to take him. A lot of football analysts and draft experts like Mike Mayock have said he will not be around past the Jets or Chargers at worst. Barron is not a coverage liability whatsoever and in fact is a playmaker in the backfield. Probably one of the most pro ready players in this draft and very heady during games. He has not even hit his ceiling and has played through lingering injuries at a dominating level. We have not had a safety of Barron's overall talent and leadership since Woody.

 

[Risen Star]

I've always told you that I agree with about 95% of your viewpoints . Change that to to 94.2% . I think Barron is better than the Cowboys' current safeties , but that is not saying alot . I just don't think he offers any value with the 14th pick . He will be a good player in the NFL . I want more than good with the 14th pick .

For the record, he's not my top target at 14 either but I do think he's a legitimate top 15 player.

 

[btcutter]

I am neutral here.

Every DB gets burned. I find people here with unrealistic expectations. Ed Reed gets burned too. He wasn't picked till end of 1st for a reason.

Good DB needs to make far more positive impact plays then negative impact plays.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

I agree. There are always unrealistic expectations. I don't think there is an elite Safety in this draft, but there are many decent ones who with the right coaching will become impact players. That includes Taylor from LSU.

The problem is we are not shopping for decent at 14. It isn't logical to reach on a player if you have questions about covering receivers. Yes he can hit and is very instinctive but can you live with another Williams as your safety net?

And I think we all forget the coaches we just brought in. Let us give Callahan and Henderson a chance to coach up the current OL players and see if Henderson can further develop church.

 

[InmanRoshi]

People underrate his athletic ability. The last season he was fully healthy he had 7 INTs for the year. That's as many as Eric Berry ever had in a season. That's just one less than Earl Thomas had in his best season, and Barron is a heck of a lot better all around safety than Thomas is. Barron ran a 4.53 coming off a surgery that takes 10-12 weeks to get back to performing football activities. He described himself as 80%. If he had spent the last 3 months attending speed camps/draft workouts 24/7 like all the other prospects instead of being on the shelf, no doubt in my mind he's running 4.4s at 215 lbs.

Further these amateur draft sites who say he's just an in the box safety frankly don't know what the heck they're talking about. Most the time he played "in the box" was as a dime linebacker when Alabama wanted to get an extra defensive back on the field, and many times he was covering the slot WRs. That's a really rare quality in a safety, and huge plus on Barron's resume. It's quite frightening that these internet draft sites that people treat as gospel can't decipher that.

 

[jnday]

1. But you'll just say he can't cover and have seen him blow so many coverages that he's not capable enough in coverage for the 14th pick. Nothing but verbage and a statement saying you haven't been around the zone reading or discussing football much.

2. 2 forms of coverage were brought up in my previous post in which I said I have seen him do very well in. In fact said he's the type of player you do not take off the field because he doe's it all and impacts every play. Please try and make statements with substance/factual proof to back them up. The words you put in my mouth are the exact opposite of what I truly said.

Barron is a fantastic safety and there are a lot of teams actually slated to take him. A lot of football analysts and draft experts like Mike Mayock have said he will not be around past the Jets or Chargers at worst. Barron is not a coverage liability whatsoever and in fact is a playmaker in the backfield. Probably one of the most pro ready players in this draft and very heady during games. He has not even hit his ceiling and has played through lingering injuries at a dominating level. We have not had a safety of Barron's overall talent and leadership since Woody.

Quit being lazy and rewatch the games yourself . I am not the only one that has seen that Barron has trouble in coverage . Countless scouting reports backs my claims as one of Barron's faults . I didn't need scouting reports to form my opinion , but they do support my claims . No , I don't see a dominating player . I see a slightly above average player that has a low ceiling .

 

[JBS]

People underrate his athletic ability. The last season he was fully healthy he had 7 INTs for the year. That's as many as Eric Berry ever had in a season. That's just one less than Earl Thomas had in his best season, and Barron is a heck of a lot better all around safety than Thomas is. Barron ran a 4.53 coming off a surgery that takes 10-12 weeks to get back to performing football activities. He described himself as 80%. If he had spent the last 3 months attending speed camps/draft workouts 24/7 like all the other prospects instead of being on the shelf, no doubt in my mind he's running 4.4s at 215 lbs.

Further these amateur draft sites who say he's just an in the box safety frankly don't know what the heck they're talking about. Most the time he played "in the box" was as a dime linebacker when Alabama wanted to get an extra defensive back on the field. It's quite frightening that these internet draft sites that people treat as gospel can't decipher that.

any highlight reels out on barron from this season?

 

[cowboysooner]

I thought Robert Lester looked pretty good in coverage. Barron seems like a guy that catches the ball when a desperate qb heaves a pass deep middle. It is pretty hard to tell because Alabama played so few good passing teams. I do remember Alshon Jeffrey abusing the Bama secondary a year ago, but some of that is going to happen.

The Nick Saban seal of approval does not mean much to me. He approved Kareem Jackson and Rolando McClain too and they are not good.