Why Barron ?

[Frosty]

My biggest question about Barron is when was he last healthy? Not as an indication of him being injury prone but to see what his play was like when he was a 100%.

He wasnt at the combine because he was recovering from a double sports hernia. The same injury that plagued TNEW for the last few years. The Boys dont need to gamble a 1st rounbd pick on Safety that might not be able to stay healthy. Dont need a safety with TNEW syndrome. Not worth the risk at 14. Maybe in mid 20's but not at 14.

Trade back to the mid 20's pickup Barron /Kirkpatrick/ Gilmore
Trade back up to in the 2nd or late 1st to get Hightower

 

[InmanRoshi]

The notion that teams will overdraft players simply because there are no viable options at that position is pretty ludicrous. In 2008, there were zero 1st round WR's taken in the 1st round (Donnie Avery at 33rd overall was the first).

Just last year, the first safety off the board was Rahim Moore at 45th overall. Based on this "Barron is a 1st round pick because no one else is any good" business sure didn't apply last April did it?

Yeah, I don't get it either.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I am unsure if he will be our pick at 14 but this guy is not simply an in the box saftey with no cover skills.

Barron has the leadership and skills to immediately upgrade our questionable secondary from day one.

So my question is not if Barron could be a nice addition but instead will there be someone better available at 14 that provides a better value.

If Barron is the BPA at 14 draft him and do not look back!

 

[Gaede]

I've definitely come around on Barron. Would be a good pick for us. We've long needed a guy back there who can change the game. It would be a nice change to have a ballhawking S who can actually, you know, touch the ball and also do some things sometimes.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Was going through the list of safeties Dallas had started in the last 8-9 years...

Tony Dixon
Keith Davis
Willie Pile
Marcus Coleman
Pat Watkins
Ken Hamlin
Gerald Sensabaugh
Abe Elam

That's not even getting into the shell of Roy Williams that he became the final years of his career.

People are ready to riot in the streets because Phil Costa started at center one year. We've had 8 years of Phil Costa caliber players starting at safety, and no one seems to care. Cowboy fans have gotten so used to pathetic safeties they hardly even notice anymore.

 

[texbumthelife]

Any of the 'Bama boys would do but only in a trade back. Any more word on Rambo going to the supplemental draft? Because if he is I wouldn't touch a safety and use my second rounder in the supplemental on him.

 

[jswalker1981]

I've definitely come around on Barron. Would be a good pick for us. We've long needed a guy back there who can change the game. It would be a nice change to have a ballhawking S who can actually, you know, touch the ball and also do some things sometimes.

 

[AKATheRake]

You state that Barron isn't worth the 14th pick because of "rankings" from some unspecificied crap internet sites from 3 months ago, and then tell people to go "think for themselves" in the next sentence?

That's some black belt caliber Troll-**.

Always a good man who embraces integrity.

Thank you kind friend.

 

[AKATheRake]

Nah -- jnday's posts have weird spacing. Maybe it's a minor case of OCD, but I can't make it through them because of it.

:laugh2: Thanks for the clarification. I'm not anything special when it comes to grammar but I do take pride in it.

Barron would not be a selection we would rue if we make it.

Like his physical and heady play. Carr's a physical guy too and it would be nice to see these guys creating some catalytic change in the secondary together.

Would be a big and fast secondary to boot.

 

[AKATheRake]

Was going through the list of safeties Dallas had started in the last 8-9 years...

Tony Dixon
Keith Davis
Willie Pile
Marcus Coleman
Pat Watkins
Ken Hamlin
Gerald Sensabaugh
Abe Elam

That's not even getting into the shell of Roy Williams that he became the final years of his career.

People are ready to riot in the streets because Phil Costa started at center one year. We've had 8 years of Phil Costa caliber players starting at safety, and no one seems to care. Cowboy fans have gotten so used to pathetic safeties they hardly even notice anymore.

ost:

 

[CowboyHawg2012]

I've come around to the idea of drafting Barron for this reason. We have been ATROCIOUS at safety for a long time and I think we have become use to the idea of playing fill-ins at the spot. Im a big supporter of taking DeCastro and have frequently argued Dont'a Hightower would be great for this defense for a plethora of reasons. But I wouldnt be opposed to see Barron picked at 14. Being a Razorback, I know how many problems he can cause for offenses and we have needed a blue-chip safety for a LONG, LONG time and I think Barron is as good as any we have seen the last few years outside of Eric Berry

Was going through the list of safeties Dallas had started in the last 8-9 years...

Tony Dixon
Keith Davis
Willie Pile
Marcus Coleman
Pat Watkins
Ken Hamlin
Gerald Sensabaugh
Abe Elam

That's not even getting into the shell of Roy Williams that he became the final years of his career.

People are ready to riot in the streets because Phil Costa started at center one year. We've had 8 years of Phil Costa caliber players starting at safety, and no one seems to care. Cowboy fans have gotten so used to pathetic safeties they hardly even notice anymore.

 

[Teague31]

Was going through the list of safeties Dallas had started in the last 8-9 years...

Tony Dixon
Keith Davis
Willie Pile
Marcus Coleman
Pat Watkins
Ken Hamlin
Gerald Sensabaugh
Abe Elam

That's not even getting into the shell of Roy Williams that he became the final years of his career.

People are ready to riot in the streets because Phil Costa started at center one year. We've had 8 years of Phil Costa caliber players starting at safety, and no one seems to care. Cowboy fans have gotten so used to pathetic safeties they hardly even notice anymore.

post of the day.

 

[cowboysooner]

Was going through the list of safeties Dallas had started in the last 8-9 years...

Tony Dixon
Keith Davis
Willie Pile
Marcus Coleman
Pat Watkins
Ken Hamlin
Gerald Sensabaugh
Abe Elam

That's not even getting into the shell of Roy Williams that he became the final years of his career.

People are ready to riot in the streets because Phil Costa started at center one year. We've had 8 years of Phil Costa caliber players starting at safety, and no one seems to care. Cowboy fans have gotten so used to pathetic safeties they hardly even notice anymore.

Inman, I have one problem with this logic. Why do you go from bottom of the barrel free agent dollars and 1 5th & 1 6th round pick to using your first round pick in an area of the draft full of good linemen, corners and pass rushers? If we just could not get anything right by using a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick ever, I would actually understand it more. But a first round pick on a player that projects as a Kenny Phillips or Patrick Chung type of safety seems like an overreaction.

If he had exceptional range or there was video of him playing some man coverage on a wideout I would understand. Louis Delmas had some of that. He is a very good player, a leader and a deep zone guy, but none of that says I need to spend a first round pick because I have to have him. This seems like a need & draft depth based pick, not the talent on the board. He is not in the same stratosphere as Earl Thomas as a coverage safety who went #14 a few years ago.

A year ago Denver spent #45 and got Rahim Moore and #108 and got Quintin Carter or 530 points of draft value. This pick is more than double that. The fact that the Jets are desperate behind us does not sway me much that this is a sound team building move long term. A very solid safety with similar skills Reggie Nelson just got 4 or 5 million per on a 4 year deal. Why were we not in that market? With corners the way they are an average year like last year from Jenkins gets him $7million like Stanford Rout.

 

[Risen Star]

post of the day.

Not really. Most of those players were infinitely better than Costa.

 

[jswalker1981]

A year ago Denver spent #45 and got Rahim Moore and #108 and got Quintin Carter or 530 points of draft value. This pick is more than double that.

ESPN gives Mark Barron a grade of 94. Rahim Moore graded out to a 83, and Quinton Carter got a grade of 75. Just a quick comparison, they gave Tyron Smith a grade of 95. Harrison Smith has a grade of 89. David DeCastro also has a grade of 94. Stephon Gilmore has a grade of 93, and Janoris Jenkins has a grade of 92.

So Moore got picked where he should have gotten selected. And it looks like Barron should get picked where he belongs, in the first round.

 

[blandi60]

But a first round pick on a player that projects as a Kenny Phillips or Patrick Chung type of safety seems like an overreaction.

Both of those were picked in the first round and both were in the Superbowl.In fact the giants had two first round safeties starting the superbowl (as well as first and second round cornerbacks starting,backed up with another first rounder, and with a second rounder on injured reserve.)