Why did we lose to the Ravens?

Chuck 54

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This was our third game in a row playing against 3 of the best defenses in the NFL, all 3 better than most of the defenses we'd face in the first round of the playoffs. It was expected to be a close, hard fought game. Anyone who didn't expect our offense to struggle against a great defense was just being a little stupid.

Until all the weird stuff at the end, 17 points should have won this game on paper and in Texas Stadium.

Did we lose because Garrett called a horrible game? NO. There are always questionable calls with him, but that's not why we lost.

Did we lose because Wade is a terrible head coach? NO. Somehow he managed to turn a pathetic defense totally around in mid-season...check your history books to find out how many times that's been done. He called a good game last night.

Could both coaches be better? I say definitely on Garrett, certainly arguable on Wade Phillips. But for people to say we lost the game because we don't tackle during the week is assinine...it's the same defense that has played lights out down the stretch and the same defense that tackled fine all game until those two plays.

We lost this game because the players didn't get the job done.

We lost because the punt coverage team gave up big plays and returns that resulted in great field position and field goals...I can't stand Reid, but it's not his fault our punter who averaged 45 yards last week averaged 38 low ball yards this week. It's not his fault 3 guys ran right by the returner and didn't tackle him on the 20+ yard punt return of a short punt.

It's not Garrett's fault that Romo threw two lame duck INT's in the first half when the offense was in the middle of promising drives. It's not Garrett's fault that Tony overthrew Miles Austin for a sure TD when there was almost no pressure on him...nor was it Garrett's fault that Romo made a late decision to run with the ball when he had the first down easily in front of him, but his late choice came up a yard short resulting in a punt. It's not Garrett's fault that Choice, who had another great game for a rookie, took his eyes off the ball on a perfectly executed option for the easy first down, fumbled it, and we had to kick a FG. That's a lot of personal screw-ups in a close game against a top defense.

It's not Wade's fault that everyone played hard all game or that the defense played great all game until the final crazy two plays. The defense stayed aggressive, punished receivers and held the running game in check. The defense is the only reason we were in this game, coming up huge despite the Ravens having great field position again and again. The Ravens fumbled 5 times, but we only recovered 1 of them. It's not Wade's fault that the guy in charge of the special teams lined up in the same formation for every place kick until the Ravens took advantage of what they'd seen and ran the freakin' fake for a first down that led to a TD instead of a fg attempt.

It's not Wade's fault that when the situation seemed lined up to make this a game of destiny in which we'd win by a field goal down the stretch, the defense totally screwed up, individually. Everyone knew Baltimore was going to run the ball both times...they didn't throw much or take any chances all game in their territory...they played a safe game waiting for our mistakes and allowing their defense to win the game. We're in a perfect defense...they have only 1 receiver out...we have 9-10 guys playing the run...it's not on Wade that the runners turned both into TD's.

Hamlin took the blame, but go back and watch Zach Thomas on both plays. On the first TD, it looked like he simply tripped and fell down. We have 2 ILB's; McGayhee runs up the middle and neither guy seemed to even notice or react...neither LB ever touched him. On the second TD, Hamlin got owned, but Zach Thomas was decleated, knocked on his butt...sad.

Two strange plays like that cannot be put on the head coach in my opinion...how can any coach prepare his team in some way that those two plays don't happen? The defense was clearly prepared to play this game, and they played all 4 quarters except for 2 plays...call that not finishing; call it what you want. They weren't drives; they weren't bad calls; they were two freak plays on which guys who had been playing great all night didn't make plays.

Everyone has his/her own opinion, but I don't see anything Wade could have done better. I see things I have great concerns about regarding Garrett's offense, but we were playing a great defense, and we did have a chance to win the game despite Romo not having a great game by his standards.

I'll add this about the special teams. I was very happy with our kickoff return team which gave us the ball at the 30-35 all game, and Austin was about to turn in a great return until he fumbled moving the ball from one side to another in an attempt to protect it...again, who's fault is that?

The kickoff coverage team was incredible all game, even better on the two kickoffs before the two long runs....3:56 left, all our Timeouts, Ravens deep in own territory. The punt coverage team is our real issue right now, and I can't help blaming most of that on the punter.

I remember lots of people blaming Jimmy Johnson for Leon Lett's brain fart miscue in the snow against Miami...how could he not know the rules? wasn't it Jimmy's responsibility? Eventually people realized it was still on Lett.

Last night's loss will rank in infamy right there with losing to the Dolphins on that snowy Thanksgiving afternoon...games given away in the strangest of ways that will never be forgotten and probably never duplicated in NFL history.

What's a fan, team, owner to do?

Get ready to play the Eagles...what else?
 

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Why did we lose to a bad Eagles team at home last year? Why did we lose to a 2 win Lions team in wk17 the year before? Why did we lose to a road-weary Eagles team the week before that? Why did we get trounced by the Giants and Skins the year before that?

Pt being that this team folds in Dec-regardless of the personnel.
 

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DRASTIC CHANGES!

Our fan base = Dan Snyder if you haven't noticed.
 

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Our COACHES are nothing more than bus drivers wasting talent. What we need are some strategists. As many have mentioned all year, talent can only get you so far.

The whole season can be summarized in this: When playing teams with average to above average talent we get out strategised. It's like neither one of these coaches ever played chess. The other team always knows what our next move is on BOTH sides of the ball.

We have no strategy....
 

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wayne motley;2514028 said:
Did we lose because Wade is a terrible head coach? NO. Somehow he managed to turn a pathetic defense totally around in mid-season...check your history books to find out how many times that's been done.[/B]
Somehow? Look at the offenses we've faced.
 

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So who drafted or traded for all those dumb, underperforming players? Why is that person not on the hook? And if coaches can't control things that happen on the field or are incidental to a team's success, why did Campo and Gailey lose their jobs?
 

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CowboyFan74;2514049 said:
Our COACHES are nothing more than bus drivers wasting talent. What we need are some strategists. As many have mentioned all year, talent can only get you so far.

The whole season can be summarized in this: When playing teams with average to above average talent we get out strategised. It's like neither one of these coaches ever played chess. The other team always knows what our next move is on BOTH sides of the ball.

We have no strategy....

so you think there's a coach who could do a better job with our defense? who?

I don't think Wade Phillips is the problem, nor has he been for the past month. I can't see any defense playing better. In the last 4 weeks, I think Jason Garrett has been the weak link, along with the special teams coach (although of the 5 special team units, it seems the punt team is the only one stinking).

Maybe our gm needs to take a long look at the coaches for special teams and the offense if we don't win in Philly.
 

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Coaching IS a major problem.

Coach needs to drill in to Romo not to make those stupid throws.

Coaches needs to ADJUST the blocking scheme to pick up delay blitzes....ALL game!

Coaches should have picked a better fricking punter.

Coaches should teach simple TACKLING.

Coaches teach the mental aspect of the game.....coach manages the play clock and adjustments. Coach prepare for the worse during the season. Need for backup QB for example? Better backup OL?

They didn't do that yesterday and through most of the season.

Sure...players share the blame as well. However, when the entire team looked dysfunctional, coaching and preparation are major contributors to the demise.
 

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jimmy40;2514085 said:
Somehow? Look at the offenses we've faced.

Pittsburg in Pitt and the Giants have pretty good offenses, and our defense played great against them.

Remember what our defense looked like against the Rams?

I think that's an impressive turnaround.
 

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wayne motley;2514141 said:
Pittsburg in Pitt and the Giants have pretty good offenses, and our defense played great against them.

Remember what our defense looked like against the Rams?

I think that's an impressive turnaround.

Tennessee is playing with Albert Haynesworth and another DL, last I checked, they were putting a beating on the Steelers.
 

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Clearly it's time for a Jonestown reenactment at Valley Ranch. And the bonus is, they already have the same last name.
 

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wayne motley;2514141 said:
Pittsburg in Pitt and the Giants have pretty good offenses, and our defense played great against them.

Remember what our defense looked like against the Rams?

I think that's an impressive turnaround.
We've also have how many games now playing against statues at QB? It'll be interesting to see what we look like against McNabb.
 

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jimmy40;2514208 said:
We've also have how many games now playing against statues at QB? It'll be interesting to see what we look like against McNabb.
Flacco and Hasselbeck are not statues.
 

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This all kind of makes me wonder what Eagles forums were saying the week after the tie with the Bungles. Its kind of like....*** just happened?
 

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A better question might be "why did the loss to the Ravens have to mean so much?" Or atleast seem to until the Bucs and Eagles also choked.

I didn't watch yesterday's game, but the offense has been sloppy all year, even against NY where there were a ton of stupid penalties. Ditto for the playoffs last year. Last time I checked, head coaches were responsible for instilling focus and discipline in the whole team. Hence the title, head coach. If Wade isn't responsible for half the team, then he's nothing more than a glorified coordinator. Campo put together some pretty good defenses too - it didn't save his job.

The popular retort is that they were also sloppy on offense under Bill. Well great, does that mean we just accept mediocrity indefinitely because the team also played stupid under Parcells? Maybe there's a middle line somewhere between 'gosh golly gee whiz' and the ultimate cumudgeon (sp)? I'm not sure that was really the problem, though. To this observer, Bill wasn't NEARLY as energetic at this stop as he was during his previous coaching jobs. I think a younger Bill Parcells would have gotten a lot more out of this team. Just as a head coach who commands respect would get more out of this team than Wade.
 

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I keep hearing, "The players didn't get it done. The players didn't get it done. The players didn't get it done."

But if you know your players aren't getting it done, why do you give them a game-plan that sets them up for failure?

Isn't it a part of coaching to manage your team, even if it's inconsistent?

If your quarterback is constantly throwing interceptions and incompletions, aren't you suppose to implement a game plan or change your game plan to maximize better plays?

We were pressing. We panicked when the game was close, while the Ravens were sure and steady.

Their coach understood the tempo of the game and realized his rookie quarterback was going against the Cowboys defense, so he gave him a game plan he could manage.

Meanwhile, our coaches just allow Tony Romo to fling the ball.

Rein Tony in for his own good. You're the coach. You're the offensive coordinator.

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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We lost because the coaches got out coached, our offense didn't show up till late, our defense decided not to show up in the fourth, our special teams were ok but once again not quite good enough.

There are reasons in every single phase of that game for why we lost. Of course it's just easier for the bandwagon cheerleaders, with their agendas, to simply the point all the blame at one or two people.
 
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