Why did we pass on DT Shariff Floyd?

[RoyTheHammer]

Ask the other 15 that passed.

I get a kick out of Mayock saying he had 5 career sacks. Then in the next sentence says he's a guy who'll get you 10 or 11 sacks his rookie year.

its a listening problem on ur end

 

[Galian Beast]

Certainly not an ideal 3 technique. Like someone said, he had like 5 career sacks...

Warren Sapp was a 3 technique... he has 96 career sacks.

That position requires someone who can get after the quarterback. Not sure why that is being ignored. It's people live in this fantasy dream world where because someone is rated high on mocks that he must fit our system.

Remember Philly getting Asomugha and then running primarily zone defense? It's the same thing. You have to get players who will excel in what they do. If that isn't your system, don't get that player. You will not be getting their value. Let that sink in.

 

[NorthTexan95]

Besides his lack of production, there were two other notes that I heard. One, it was hinted that he has some personal issues that may have turned off the Cowboys. Secondly, he supposedly has short arms which would make it difficult to disengage blocks in the NFL.

I have no idea how much truth there is to either of these but that's what I heard on the radio broadcasts.

 

[Eskimo]

They didn't think he was a good fit. If they were going inside DL, they wanted a quick twitch 3-tech.

If Floyd isn't a quick twitched 300 pound DT than I don't think I've seen one yet. The same can be said for Sly. I think either player is far better than Frederick and it remains to be seen what kind of DL we get later in the draft.

I think we may have been able to get an equivalent interior OL later as the run on OL had really begun to slow down when we made the pick. I still think Schwenke and Winters are good interior players who are far better athletes who would have been available later. I don't see any DTs who compare favorably to Sly or Floyd.

I hope we find some gems in the 3rd to justify the trade down. I don't believe the DTs on the board didn't offer good value at that point of the draft. I think they went on wanting to trade down for the sake of trading down even though a very good player at a position of soon but not immediate need was available.

 

[Floatyworm]

If Floyd isn't a quick twitched 300 pound DT than I don't think I've seen one yet. The same can be said for Sly. I think either player is far better than Frederick and it remains to be seen what kind of DL we get later in the draft.

I think we may have been able to get an equivalent interior OL later as the run on OL had really begun to slow down when we made the pick. I still think Schwenke and Winters are good interior players who are far better athletes who would have been available later. I don't see any DTs who compare favorably to Sly or Floyd.

I hope we find some gems in the 3rd to justify the trade down. I don't believe the DTs on the board didn't offer good value at that point of the draft. I think they went on wanting to trade down for the sake of trading down even though a very good player at a position of soon but not immediate need was available.

Your right...Our staff has no foresight. Floyd was the perfect fit for an aging D-line.

I'm laughing out loud @ our staff. Shariff Floyd is a Nose Tackle????

What games are they watching?????

And then to deny they got fleeced by the 49er in the trade down in the after draft press conference-

There hasn't been a single commentator on ESPN or the NFL Network that doesn't have a smirk on their face when talking about our pick.

I guess this is what you get when your GM is busy @ the X-games when he should be @ the Sr bowl/ combine scouting players.

 

[crazytown41]

I swear, if Floyd/Frederick ends being another Watt/Smith.....:bang2:

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Certainly not an ideal 3 technique. Like someone said, he had like 5 career sacks...

Warren Sapp was a 3 technique... he has 96 career sacks.

That position requires someone who can get after the quarterback. Not sure why that is being ignored. It's people live in this fantasy dream world where because someone is rated high on mocks that he must fit our system.

Remember Philly getting Asomugha and then running primarily zone defense? It's the same thing. You have to get players who will excel in what they do. If that isn't your system, don't get that player. You will not be getting their value. Let that sink in.

sapp was also given the courtosy to at least play a few downs in the nfl b4 we started talking about his sack totals.. sooo ya know..

 

[Galian Beast]

I swear, if Floyd/Frederick ends being another Watt/Smith.....:bang2:

4.5 career sacks... Watt had more than that his senior year... Watt only played defense for two years as well.

Reality is he isn't a pass rusher, and doesn't get into the backfield enough to be considered a 3 technique in the nfl, certainly not in the tampa 2, and certainly not in the tampa 2 we're going to be running.


I bet you our defensive line as is will get a minimum of 44 sacks between the 4 of them next year.

 

[kiheikiwi]

I swear, if Floyd/Frederick ends being another Watt/Smith.....:bang2:

Its more like a Jackson/Jones !

 

[Galian Beast]

sapp was also given the courtosy to at least play a few downs in the nfl b4 we started talking about his sack totals.. sooo ya know..

10.5 sacks in his senior year alone...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

10.5 sacks in his senior year alone...

was referring to his 96.5 carrer nfl sacks that were quoted..

lets see the kid play a few downs first eh?

im sure there was a reason he was considered a consensus top 5 talent

 

[Galian Beast]

was referring to his 96.5 carrer nfl sacks that were quoted..

lets see the kid play a few downs first eh?

im sure there was a reason he was considered a consensus top 5 talent

A lot of players are over valued by the media and as a result by mock drafts. It doesn't mean the team sees the same thing. And it doesn't mean that he fit our scheme.

It's like being angry that a team that plays zone defense didn't waste their resources getting man coverage specialist. The guy is a 1 technique at best based on his resume. And even at that he is going to be undersized. Most of these defensive tackles fell because they don't fit most schemes at the rate necessary for a 1st round draft pick.

 

[SHAMSzy]

was referring to his 96.5 carrer nfl sacks that were quoted..

lets see the kid play a few downs first eh?

im sure there was a reason he was considered a consensus top 5 talent

Consensus with who? The media? Obviously not consensus among NFL teams.

 

[Galian Beast]

Consensus with who? The media? Obviously not consensus among NFL teams.

That's what these people don't get. Because teams don't draft according to what the media says they should, they messed up?

Do some people slip and become steals? Absolutely. But what about the guys like Brady Quinn who slip and are busts? No one wants to talk about those guys...

4 defensive tackles taken in this draft, none in the first 10 picks. And it's not as though there was a huge run on defensive ends either. Only 4 defensive ends as well.

Total of 8 defensive linemen went in the first round. Where as 9 offensive linemen went in the first round. Not at all how it normally goes.

Not a single running back drafted in the first round.
Only 1 quarterback drafted in the first round.
Only 3 wide receivers drafted in the first round.
4 cornerbacks.
3 safeties.
3 linebackers.
1 tight end.

Normally you would have 2-4 quarterbacks. Probably 2 or 3 running backs. Probably 4 or 5 linebackers....

You have to consider where the value was going in this draft. And where the position appropriate players were. We certainly missed out on those guards, but we never had a chance at getting them. We got our center, that's good.

Safeties are still available. We don't need corners or tight ends, or linebackers. We don't really need a wide receiver. We don't need a QB. We don't really need defensive tackles, especially if they don't fit our system.

That leaves obvious choices. Safeties and linemen. Running back is a position where we can certainly make an addition too.

Next three rounds expect safety, linemen, and running back depending on whats available. And guess what, thats exactly how many picks we have tomorrow.

Look at the availability and whats coming off the board, I would expect

2. Safety, Phillip Thomas,
3. Running Back, Le'Veon Bell
3. Offensive Linemen, David Queensberry

That being said there are so many running back options

Bell, Ball, Lattimore, Taylor, Randle, we could certainly hold off and get a defensive end somewhere in there.

The problem is the best defensive ends available are almost certainly going to go in that 2nd round. To get someone like Okafor we would definitely have to pull the trigger with the next pick.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Consensus with who? The media? Obviously not consensus among NFL teams.

i dont think its as obvious as u believe lol

 

[AKATheRake]

I think Safety is the biggest need. We can fill OT with Clabo or Winston and get a guy later to develop. Would like a DE over DT.

Me too.

Want it to be Damontre Moore.

20 years old, Marinelli gets paid hansomely to get this kid going.

Get this kid in the 2nd and watch our 4-3 pass rush look like the twice SB Giants 4-3 pass rush.

Then get Schwenke or Bailey in the 3rd to play center or guard.

Phillip Thomas also.

4th we can get the RB all the way to the 6th.

Maybe even Brennan Williams as RT.

 

[InmanRoshi]

According to Mike Fisher, he was rated 7th on the Cowboys board. At the very last minute when they were on the clock the reconfigured their board and dropped him.

Broaddus said the scouts he talked to at the Ranch loved him and had him rated as the #1 DT in the draft.

It's pretty apparent Jerry flew off the handles and overrode his scouts, ala Quincy Carter. Maybe it works out this time and maybe it doesn't, but as long as this is the way drafts are run at the Ranch ... where Jerry Jones can swoop in after an afternoon of cocktails and override 15 months of scouting research in 15 minutes ..... we're always going to be among the league's worst drafting teams in the long run. Ozzie Newsome does not run his draft this way.

 

[joseephuss]

I swear, if Floyd/Frederick ends being another Watt/Smith.....:bang2:

Dallas ended up with a quality LT who will be there for a decade. That is a good pick.


Warren Sapp in college:
http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28700&ATCLID=205537917

As a junior in 1994, had 84 tackles and led the Hurricanes in sacks (10.5), tackles for loss (9.0), fumbles caused, fumble recoveries and quarterback pressures (25).

 

[weaver21]

According to Mike Fisher, he was rated 7th on the Cowboys board. At the very last minute when they were on the clock the reconfigured their board and dropped him.

Broaddus said the scouts he talked to at the Ranch loved him and had him rated as the #1 DT in the draft.

It's pretty apparent Jerry flew off the handles and overrode his scouts, ala Quincy Carter. Maybe it works out this time and maybe it doesn't, but as long as this is the way drafts are run at the Ranch ... where Jerry Jones can swoop in after an afternoon of cocktails and override 15 months of scouting research in 15 minutes ..... we're always going to be among the league's worst drafting teams in the long run. Ozzie Newsome does not run his draft this way.

I agree with you on that. I believe Jerry overthrew everyone on that and did that on his own. I'm surprised they didn't even talk to Kiffin if he wanted Floyd or not.

 

[reddyuta]

According to Mike Fisher, he was rated 7th on the Cowboys board. At the very last minute when they were on the clock the reconfigured their board and dropped him.

Broaddus said the scouts he talked to at the Ranch loved him and had him rated as the #1 DT in the draft.

It's pretty apparent Jerry flew off the handles and overrode his scouts, ala Quincy Carter. Maybe it works out this time and maybe it doesn't, but as long as this is the way drafts are run at the Ranch ... where Jerry Jones can swoop in after an afternoon of cocktails and override 15 months of scouting research in 15 minutes ..... we're always going to be among the league's worst drafting teams in the long run. Ozzie Newsome does not run his draft this way.

this sums up what happened and Jerry's idiotic and possibly inane comments about D-line being our strength(with 3 guys who has major injury concerns or injured often) is laughable.I still cant figure out what Jerry said about Floyd not being a quick guy.