Why did we pick Spencer in the first round?

VA Cowboy;1584598 said:
You mean like you let it go 4 days ago?


:laugh2:

yea, like that. if you notice i'm not "arguing" with you - just laughing at you and doing your own "poke with a stick" trick. but as usual, when what someone says isn't good enough for you - you'll just make crap up to whine about.
 
Chocolate Lab;1584673 said:
On the one good play the Colts had, that crossing pattern to Harrison, a certain LB was trailing badly. Obviously you don't expect any LB to cover a WR tightly, especially Harrison. But that's part of the LB's role, to not just play forwards, but to get back and help cover a zone, too. I'm not saying Carpenter would have gotten back to break up the pass, but he'd make it harder for QBs to fit the ball in those windows behind him.

That play was a great design.

The reason it worked so well was why we gave up plays early in Ware's rookie year.

They took advantage of Spencer. He was over the slot, Harrison, but they moved Clark over there too. He went to jam Harrison, saw Clark and gave Marvin a free release to go cover Clark.
 
Chocolate Lab;1584673 said:
On the one good play the Colts had, that crossing pattern to Harrison, a certain LB was trailing badly. Obviously you don't expect any LB to cover a WR tightly, especially Harrison. But that's part of the LB's role, to not just play forwards, but to get back and help cover a zone, too. I'm not saying Carpenter would have gotten back to break up the pass, but he'd make it harder for QBs to fit the ball in those windows behind him.

He dropped into zone coverage on that play IIRC. Harrison's crossing pattern was caught on the opposite side of the field after he had passed through Bobby's coverage area, not directly behind him. He was trailing Harrison because he was reacting to the pass, not because it was "his man". I hardly think you can blame Carpenter for that completion

Either that, or we're thinking of different plays. ;)
 
tomson75;1584682 said:
He dropped into zone coverage on that play IIRC. Harrison's crossing pattern was caught on the opposite side of the field after he had passed through Bobby's coverage area, not directly behind him. He was trailing Harrison because he was reacting to the pass, not because it was "his man". I hardly think you can blame Carpenter for that completion

Either that, or we're thinking of different plays. ;)

James was the ILB he was talking about, Carp wasn't on the field.
 
blindzebra;1584687 said:
James was the ILB he was talking about, Carp wasn't on the field.

Gotcha. I was thinking about a reception in the third quarter...common sense should've told me that Harrison probably wouldn't have been on the field then...but I'm hungover and my brain hurts.
 
Bobby Carpenter is an excellent LB, and will provide the Dallas Cowboys with years of solid play. However, he is not & never was the type of playmaker Anthony Spencer is, and that is what you need at the SOLB position in the Phillips' 3-4 scheme. The particular player who plays this position must have a history of making plays behind the LOS. Last year at Purdue, Spencer led the entire nation with 26.5 Tackles For Loss, 10.5 sacks, and 93 total tackles. That is the type of player you put at that position.

Also, Spencer is pound for pound one of the strongest, most athletic players that came out of the 2007 draft. He bench presses 530 lbs. at 265 lbs.--already! That's twice his body weight. He can also squat 620, & power clean 365. You will not find those three numbers associated with ANYONE in this year's draft class not named Manuel Ramirez. Add to that the fact that he runs the 40 in approx. 4.65, and you see the kind of athlete we're talking about. He's quick enough to run around you, or strong enough to stand you up.

Our defense needed help with its 3rd down efficiency-badly. When you have that problem, you do one of two things-bring in a top-notch CB, or improve the pass rush. Either way, one feeds off the other. I'm sure you were watching with me as, beginning with the Bengals pick, one by one, the best secondary players began falling off the board. First, Leon Hall, then Michael Griffin, Aaron Ross (ouch), & finally, Reggie Nelson to the Jags. By the time the Cowboys got back into the first round at #26, Brandon Merriweather was also gone.

Personally, I believe Spencer would have dropped into our lap at #36, but that's why I don't own the team, I guess.

I feel, just from his history, and from watching tape, Spencer has just touched the surface of what he will finally become. I love the pick.
 
Thanks, fellas. Lots of food for thought and you all made valid points. I can't wait to see all these guys fill their roles and kick some butt.
 
Cogan;1584820 said:
Personally, I believe Spencer would have dropped into our lap at #36, but that's why I don't own the team, I guess.

I have a tough time believing that one. Perhaps the best pure pass-rusher available in this draft dropping to number #36? I dunno.
 
Cogan;1584820 said:
Our defense needed help with its 3rd down efficiency-badly.
Exactly. Wade even said yesterday that although they had worked quite a bit on third down defense, they were going to keep hammering on it because the team was so poor at it last year.

'Course, with Ellis iffy, we needed that position for all downs, and Spencer was the last good passrusher available. The only other guy who could have been available would have been Moss, and he had all the personal issues. Spencer was the absolutely ideal pick for us.

Oh, and Wade said yesterday that from everything he's seen over the years, he thinks Spencer is going to be a really good player for us. :)
 
iceberg;1584463 said:
maybe cause it took carpenter almost a full year before he could crack the line up and see the field.

yeah he he broke out big time, in a playoff game no less
 

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