Why did we switch schemes?

[JoeyBoy718]

we had some elite guys at their positions?

Lee and Carter (when healthy) was looking like the best 3-4 ILB tandem outside of San Fran. Now, Carter gets benched and Lee is getting torched on passing plays.

Ware is the best 3-4 OLB since LT and Spencer was rated at the top 3-4 OLB last year. I know Ware is getting up there in age, but he doesn't look better in the 4-3. Also, you can't predict injuries, but it's doubtful Spencer would've graded out as the top 4-3 if he played this season.

Carr was very good and, despite what people think, Claiborne wasn't THAT bad in the man to man scheme. It fits the two of them better anyway. The move may have ruined Claiborne for good. That's not smart when you spent a 1st and 2nd on him the year before.

The only real upside from the switch seems to be the safety position, but that probably would've happened anyway with a healthy Church and now Wilcox.

I wasn't thrilled after the Giants game when we caused six turnovers. Everyone was telling me to shut up, but we got torched by Eli. The next time we played a good QB (Rivers) we got torched again. I'll take stingy defenses like the one we had last year over praying that a turnover keeps us in the game.

 

[Jenky]

To get more turnovers.

Last year, Carr and Claiborne shut down Nicks and Cruz both games. Our very first game this year under the new scheme, the Giants get 3 receivers with over 100 + yards each.

 

[Broges74]

I was asking that question all offseason. I think it was a knee jerk to the FO over the read-option since the zone would be a better scheme against it. Not sure.

 

[Common Sense]

Dumb teams make dumb decisions.

 

[Zordon]

somebody had to be scapegoated.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Somewhere Rob Ryans laughing. Saints top 5 d dallas 24th or lower d

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Someone had to take the fall for last season and it wasnt going to be Jason.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jerry needed a scapegoat so he could sell hope and change.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Not only did we switch from a 3-4 to 4-3 (which greatly alters the roles of your pass rushers), but we also switched to a zone coverage scheme when we just spent top dollar on a man to man corner and spent a 1st and 2nd on a man to man corner. Makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Doomsday101]

3-4 or 4-3 it comes down to players executing there is no magic bullet. Most of the Cowboy players came out of 4-3 programs and had to learn the 3-4 in the end it is still about knowing your assigments and executing it.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Someone had to take the fall for last season and it wasnt going to be Jason.

The defense was injured last season. I think Rob should've gotten the benefit of the doubt. We should've made drastic changes on the offensive scheme side, not the defense. Sure, Rob's D was complicated, but it was efficient. Don't the Saints have the top rated defense in the league now? And didn't the Texans have it last year? Who are their coordinators again?

 

[JoeyBoy718]

3-4 or 4-3 it comes down to players executing there is no magic bullet. Most of the Cowboy players came out of 4-3 programs and had to learn the 3-4 in the end it is still about knowing your assigments and executing it.

Well, most guys play 4-3 in college, but that doesn't mean they're that good at the 4-3. Lots of guys get drafted because of the potential they have for the 3-4, despite never have played it. Ware and Spencer were drafted for that reason.

 

[Risen Star]

Because last offseason's scapegoat was Rob Ryan and the 3-4 scheme. That, along with play calling duties, were the scenery changes to keep fans distracted from the real issue. This offseason it'll be Jason Garrett. He was holding us back.

The foundation is sinking but look, we remodeled the kitchen.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Jerry needed a scapegoat so he could sell hope and change.

Because last offseason's scapegoat was Rob Ryan and the 3-4 scheme. That, along with play calling duties, were the scenery changes to keep fans distracted from the real issue. This offseason it'll be Jason Garrett. He was holding us back.

The foundation is sinking but look, we remodeled the kitchen.

Callahan will be this seasons sacrificial lamb.

 

[Risen Star]

Callahan will be this seasons sacrificial lamb.

I believe Callahan will go with Garrett. At least I certainly hope so.

 

[Tabascocat]

Because last offseason's scapegoat was Rob Ryan and the 3-4 scheme. That, along with play calling duties, were the scenery changes to keep fans distracted from the real issue. This offseason it'll be Jason Garrett. He was holding us back.

The foundation is sinking but look, we remodeled the kitchen.

Garrett will throw Callahan under the bus if that time comes. It might not work but it is a coming.......choo choo

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, most guys play 4-3 in college, but that doesn't mean they're that good at the 4-3. Lots of guys get drafted because of the potential they have for the 3-4, despite never have played it. Ware and Spencer were drafted for that reason.

Ware has 4 sacks thus far he can play in the 4-3 and Spencer well he is has not played. Yes he can play ther 3-4 and he can play the 4-3. This crud about changing system? well because we failed to get turnover for one thing. Under BP, under Wade and Rob where the heck where the turnovers? Wade was the only one who we saw improvement in the pass rush while Rob ws running 3 man rushes in long yardage situations. I'm happy things are going well for him in NO I hated how we failed to rush the passer when he was here. He talked aggression but never was aggressive.

Kiffin and Marinelli very good coaches and are getting a lot of of some no name players. We are early in the season and sitting here watching so called fans waving the white towle is pretty sad but then I have gotten use to our fans they know how to run a team even though they never have

 

[Titleist]

I don't remember many people complaining about the switch to the 4-3 earlier and now everyone is against it?

Come on, some of you guys are flip-floppers. For the record, I am for the 4-3 and see it being more effective as we move deeper into the season. You don't just give up on a defensive scheme after one bad game. Jeez

 

[Tabascocat]

Ware has 4 sacks thus far he can play in the 4-3 and Spencer well he is has not played. Yes he can play ther 3-4 and he can play the 4-3. This crud about changing system? well because we failed to get turnover for one thing. Under BP, under Wade and Rob where the heck where the turnovers? Wade was the only one who we saw improvement in the pass rush while Rob ws running 3 man rushes in long yardage situations. I'm happy things are going well for him in NO I hated how we failed to rush the passer when he was here. He talked aggression but never was aggressive.

Kiffin and Marinelli very good coaches and are getting a lot of of some no name players. We are early in the season and sitting here watching so called fans waving the white towle is pretty sad but then I have gotten use to our fans they know how to run a team even though they never have

Lets wait for at least six more games before the turnover comparisons are made. I "think" you would agree that the first game with 6 TO's is out of the norm, for this team and for anyone. The Giants were/are a mess and can't get out of their own way. Lets skip that game and look at the last three games. This new defense is one under the pace from 2012 but has more sacks and defensive scores.

Rob is doing good in NO, Wade is doing fine in Hou and Kiff/Mari are doing good in some aspects and not so good in others. The trend here is...maybe it is not the coaches or schemes but the players themselves. Lack of continuity does not help. One season they are learning man coverage and next it is zone. 4-3 to the 3-4 and whatever new scheme is flavor of the year. Rob was scapegoated, no one could have produced with what he was dealt last season. I do like Marinelli, quite a bit actually .

How about JJ and company tinker with the offensive side and leave the defense alone. Yes, they made Callahan call plays but all that did was place the bean under a new cup.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't remember many people complaining about the switch to the 4-3 earlier and now everyone is against it?

Come on, some of you guys are flip-floppers. For the record, I am for the 4-3 and see it being more effective as we move deeper into the season. You don't just give up on a defensive scheme after one bad game. Jeez

I remember people worried about the switch to zone coverage because we just invested so much in two man to man corners. Those concerns seem to be warranted. Most people assumed Lee and Carter would be better in the 4-3. That has yet to be seen.