Why did we switch schemes?

[Everlastingxxx]

I was against the switch from the start. I am a big fan of innovative offensive and defensive schemes. I would never hire an 80yr old coach to teach an outdated defensive scheme. Other coaches have already improved on the scheme. In the end, the entire coaching staff will be canned at the end of the year anyways. Nobody can flourish with an offense and head coach like this.

 

[zack]

I don't remember many people complaining about the switch to the 4-3 earlier and now everyone is against it?

Come on, some of you guys are flip-floppers. For the record, I am for the 4-3 and see it being more effective as we move deeper into the season. You don't just give up on a defensive scheme after one bad game. Jeez

I'm glad we switched to the 4-3. It's been 4 games and it is too early to give up on it. We ran the 3-4 with three different styles and they are all ineffective. I always heard how we were going to confuse QBs with the 3-4 and be more aggressive. None of that happened.

I don't understand why people think that a cb can't play both man and zone. If they are NFL players they should be good at both point blank. To me man coverage is much more difficult than zone. There shouldn't be any issues at all. Maybe Claiborne is a bust, soft or whatever. Personally, I wished they would have kept Sterling Moore. I'm more comfortable with him than Claiborne out there.

I'm glad that we are back to the 4-3. I want no part of the 3-4 ever again.

 

[Seven]

I don't remember many people complaining about the switch to the 4-3 earlier and now everyone is against it?

Come on, some of you guys are flip-floppers. For the record, I am for the 4-3 and see it being more effective as we move deeper into the season. You don't just give up on a defensive scheme after one bad game. Jeez

One bad game? Remember the Giants? Dallas had 6 takeaways and still barely beat them.

THREE Giant receivers with 100+ yards. FIVE hundred yards of total offense for the Giants.

 

[Doomsday101]

Lets wait for at least six more games before the turnover comparisons are made. I "think" you would agree that the first game with 6 TO's is out of the norm, for this team and for anyone. The Giants were/are a mess and can't get out of their own way. Lets skip that game and look at the last three games. This new defense is one under the pace from 2012 but has more sacks and defensive scores.

Rob is doing good in NO, Wade is doing fine in Hou and Kiff/Mari are doing good in some aspects and not so good in others. The trend here is...maybe it is not the coaches or schemes but the players themselves. Lack of continuity does not help. One season they are learning man coverage and next it is zone. 4-3 to the 3-4 and whatever new scheme is flavor of the year. Rob was scapegoated, no one could have produced with what he was dealt last season. I do like Marinelli, quite a bit actually .

How about JJ and company tinker with the offensive side and leave the defense alone. Yes, they made Callahan call plays but all that did was place the bean under a new cup.

I agree it ie early in the season I also think that bodes well since these guys are still learning and doing so with guys no one heard of like Selvie and it is not just turnovers we are producing more sacks Dallas is ranked 3rd in the league in sacks last year we ranked 20th. Yes there are things in coverage we have to do better on and it is not just CB the defense relies a lot on the LB core. But I still see guys swarming to the ball and being much more active than they have been. If others want to cry after week 4 go for it myself I think these coaches will get this unit playing good ball before all is said and done

 

[Risen Star]

I don't remember many people complaining about the switch to the 4-3 earlier and now everyone is against it?

Come on, some of you guys are flip-floppers. For the record, I am for the 4-3 and see it being more effective as we move deeper into the season. You don't just give up on a defensive scheme after one bad game. Jeez

You obviously didn't read my posts.

 

[Broges74]

The tampa 2 would be better (in theory) against a zone-read option due to the corners facing the play rather than following their assignment.I just thought with the investment in man corners, our players didn't fit the scheme as a whole. After the first game, I felt more at ease but there is a glaring weakness right now in our pass defense. By the end the season, we should be seeing the true result of the change. I wont pass total judgment on the move until the final results are apparent.

 

[Tabascocat]

I agree it ie early in the season I also think that bodes well since these guys are still learning and doing so with guys no one heard of like Selvie and it is not just turnovers we are producing more sacks Dallas is ranked 3rd in the league in sacks last year we ranked 20th. Yes there are things in coverage we have to do better on and it is not just CB the defense relies a lot on the LB core. But I still see guys swarming to the ball and being much more active than they have been. If others want to cry after week 4 go for it myself I think these coaches will get this unit playing good ball before all is said and done

Agree, I think they can play better as the season progresses. I do see more energy on the field, swarming, etc. I credit that to Rod more so than Kiffin. Whatever depth the def line had is now gone. That may very well be the start of an impending implosion if guys don't get and stay healthy. I think the linebackers will adjust as well as the secondary, not sure about Mo yet. All I know is...if the offense doesn't keep the ball longer and put up points, it will lead to the downfall of our defense, no matter what scheme or who is coaching it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Didn't have a nose tackle. In order for the 3-4 to work you need a certain type of defensive linemen and while Hatcher was good he's clearly more suitable for the 4-3. And I think Ratliff is the same.

I guess people forget our lack of turnovers in the 3-4? We had 7 ALL OF LAST YEAR...

 

[Broges74]

The only thing I do like right now is the line and carter blitzing for sacks. I'd actually like to see him coming off the edge where his athletic ability, speed and quickness could be used to put a hurting on a QB.

 

[Tabascocat]

I guess people forget our lack of turnovers in the 3-4? We had 7 ALL OF LAST YEAR...

Was actually 16, but who's counting?

They had 7 interceptions.

 

[davey999]

Jerry needed a scapegoat so he could sell hope and change.

Absolutely correct.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Was actually 16, but who's counting?

They had 7 interceptions.

I'm sorry you're correct. I meant INT's.

Its also worth noting our defense has 3 touchdowns.....we had THREE of all year last year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry needed a scapegoat so he could sell hope and change.

So you were content with bringing the same coaches back after ANOTHER 8-8 year?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No, I had no particular love for Rob and don't mind the change because Kiffin and Marinelli are just as good if not better.

But the question was why Jerry made the move, and I think that's the reason. Practically all the injuries everyone loved to use for an excuse last year were on defense, yet Rob was the one who paid for it.

 

[dboyz]

I will evaluate this defense after about 8 games. It is too early to draw a lot of conclusions. We need to improve on the defense going forward to get where we need to. I will say this. Rob Ryan had dealt with injuries last year but Kiffin and Marinelli are dealing with injuries as well. 3 of our top d-lineman prior to the year are out: Ratliff, Spencer and Crawford. They have done a good job finding some bodies to play.

We have been good against the run. Againt the pass we have not been good enough particularly this last game. Tightening up zones would make a difference, and that probably only happens by playing more in the scheme. Growing pains are not unexpected.

 

[bayeslife]

Who cares? Scheme does not matter, the players still have to execute.

 

[xwalker]

we had some elite guys at their positions?

Lee and Carter (when healthy) was looking like the best 3-4 ILB tandem outside of San Fran. Now, Carter gets benched and Lee is getting torched on passing plays.

Ware is the best 3-4 OLB since LT and Spencer was rated at the top 3-4 OLB last year. I know Ware is getting up there in age, but he doesn't look better in the 4-3. Also, you can't predict injuries, but it's doubtful Spencer would've graded out as the top 4-3 if he played this season.

Carr was very good and, despite what people think, Claiborne wasn't THAT bad in the man to man scheme. It fits the two of them better anyway. The move may have ruined Claiborne for good. That's not smart when you spent a 1st and 2nd on him the year before.

The only real upside from the switch seems to be the safety position, but that probably would've happened anyway with a healthy Church and now Wilcox.

I wasn't thrilled after the Giants game when we caused six turnovers. Everyone was telling me to shut up, but we got torched by Eli. The next time we played a good QB (Rivers) we got torched again. I'll take stingy defenses like the one we had last year over praying that a turnover keeps us in the game.

Would staying with RR's scheme have resulted in the following players contributing this season instead of multiple guys off the street:
Ratliff
Spencer
Crawford
Josh Brent
Ben Bass
Brian Price

Would Claiborne be healthy now and would he have been healthy for the preseason/training-camp? FYI, Claiborne was playing man-to-man in at least two of the big completions that he allowed against the Chargers.

They got lucky and found a good player in Selvie at DE. Selvie wouldn't be an option in the 3-4. They would be really screwed with Spencer out.

 

[basstapp]

I think this scheme can be successful especially when the majority of teams are going to the 3-4. It allows us to draft players without so much competition.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Jerry is just digging the perfect hole for himself to lie in.


Every year it's more and more painfully obvious that Jimmy Johnson was what this team needed, player/coach interaction exceeded beyond capabilities and into on the field production.

 

[StarBoyz83]

It was obviously a bad move to make the switch! ! Our defense is worse than the last 2 years have been.