News: Why didn't TV networks show angry, booing NFL fans

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  1. Kevinicus

    Kevinicus Well-Known Member

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    People cannot have an honest discussion with you when you distort and frame things in an inaccurate way. Things like "taking healthcare away" and implying that Christian values of charity means government handouts.

    And redundant Senate and Congress (I hope you mean Representatives)? Do you not understand why it is setup like this at all?
     
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  2. superonyx

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    See my post above. Yes there is a democratic party in name. But in policy we only have 2 corporate parties who both are doing the bidding of the wealthy.
    Here is the treasurer of the DNC announcing the new DNC treasurer.

     
  3. EST_1986

    EST_1986 Well-Known Member

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    I'll admit it for him, the political right fundamentally is rooted in bigotry and the left is fundamentally opposite.
     
  4. Dodger12

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    I'll tell you what....I try and take what folks say and dig a little deeper. I don't just take what you post and toss it aside. I don't know much about Cenk Uyger but I Googled him and I guess one can say there are two sides to every story. The guy seems like half a nut job to me but maybe he was railroaded. Either way, not sure that proves the assertion you're trying to make.

    The one thing that stood out to me when I was reading your post is that you stated Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent. I don't think that's the case. He let them expire which cost me a good deal of money every month so that's how I know. I had more deductions (Social Security) and thought my work made a mistake on my paycheck. My point is that you may be forming opinions based on false information.
     
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  5. superonyx

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    Of course I understand why its set up that way. Doesn't mean its working though. And yes I also meant house of representatives. Do you prefer to discuss semantics of points?
    The point is still valid though.

    It may be uncomfortable to say it but yes healthcare will be taken away from people who may not be able to afford heath insurance. It should be impossible to discuss an issue just because one side sees things without all the sugar coating the other side sees.
    Jesus would not be ok with the fact that 45,000 people will die each year in America due to lack of healthcare. The richest country in the history of the world and this is how we treat the ones who need help the most.
    That's not Christian like at all. Its not a government handout since we are the government and we all pay into the government. See how you frame it. Sounds like you are doing what you accuse me of doing doesn't it? Why is it ok for the government to reach into my wallet and take thousands of dollars every year to kill people living in desperate conditions who don't even have a plane yet if I lose my job and get sick then someone I am looked down for my "government handout"?
     
  6. Dodger12

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    Someone needs another history lesson on which party was rooted in bigotry and segregation.
     
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  7. superonyx

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    False information?
    You have the internet....here I will help you.

    http://www.virginiamn.com/opinion/l...cle_f88d6d42-83bc-11e2-9f1c-001a4bcf887a.html
     
  8. superonyx

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    History didn't just stop 75 years ago. You don't get to cherry pick a time and ignore all the time after.
     
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  9. EST_1986

    EST_1986 Well-Known Member

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    Well things have changed. I guess if you want to hold onto a good past and erase all the current hate cool but....
     
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  10. Dodger12

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    Let me help you back:

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/budget-deal-makes-permanent-82-percent-of-president-bushs-tax-cuts

    Not all the tax cuts were permanent. And most Americans who work for a living and pay taxes, like myself, felt the pinch. My Social Security contributions went up dramatically, costing me roughly 10% of my disposable income. Some people believe everything they read. Others for their opinions on actual experience.
     
  11. superonyx

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    Oh you either just found this or ignored it before to attempt to lie and say I was pushing false information.
    Please show me where my original statement is inaccurate? You just proved my point for me..although I already had.
    Just like I said Obama make Bush's tax cuts permanent. So you want to strengthen my point about Obama not being a true liberal by saying "hey you are wrong, he only made the tax cuts for the rich permanent" .
    You do realized you were doing this right?

    Maybe you can look through the rest of my points I made and find something not true because you bombed on this one....Good luck....
     
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  12. Dodger12

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    The "good past" was very recent. The party that blocked schools for minority kids and held firm on segregation were the Democrats. George Wallace, Democrat, stated during his inauguration: "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever...." Many of these same people were also the local founders and members of the KKK. Strom Thurmund, who was Hillary Clinton's mentor, was an opponent of integration his whole life. Sen. Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK. How folks are so quick to point fingers at some of today's politicians who have denounced these groups yet are quick to forget their recent past is very telling.
     
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  13. Dodger12

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    I'm not saying your statement is inaccurate or inferring that you're doing so on purpose, but that you may be forming an opinion on inaccurate information. You stated the Bush tax cuts were permanent. They were not, or at least not all of them.
     
  14. JoeKing

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    What I'm hearing is, it was a flippant remark by you and I should not take it seriously. What I see is a comment from you that disregards my ability to think for myself and assumes my words came for something I saw on TV. Are we not debating political concepts? I'd hope we can do so with mutual respect and honesty. But your flippant remark says that mutal respect does not exist. And I'm not man enough to handle the truth. It's designed to shut down discussion just like when you call me a racist. Good sir, I'm no racist but you cut me at the knees when you say that. We can't progress, see eye to eye, find common ground when you do that.

    First of all, thank you for finally coming forth with a thoughtful and honest answer. Now you have my attention. I think both American main stream political party's have been hi-jacked by extremest. Obama was by no means the centrist he campaigned to be in 2008. The problem with that is, the truth eventually always finds the light. America didn't wise up to his lies in time to not re-elect him... shame on him. But by 2016, the American electorate was not going to let that shame shift to them by electing a similarly minded candidate. Hilary already had that strike against her going into the 2016 election. She never distinguished herself as a better option than DJT. And so we have Trump in the oval office. He's never been given a fair opportunity from the extremist in the Democrat party. Maybe the right wing extremist did the same thing to Obama. Two wrongs don't make it right. That pattern of obstructionist politics can go on to perpetuity or at least until this American experiment fails. What you fail to see is the religious right felt oppressed during the Obama years and Trump's promise to replace the late Judge Antonin Scalia with a judge in the similar mold was huge. Restoring religious freedom is by far a bigger political chip to the religious right than economics. Your theory that most people who vote Republican do not actually agree with the parts of the Republican party that can be changed is a fallacy. The Democrats are not in a position of strength when economic growth remained below 2% for the fully 8 years of the Obama administration. Trump has already begun correcting the woeful American economy that he inherited. My stocks have tripled since his election which has enabled me to hire several folks that were previously unemployed during the Obama years.

    Our government functions just fine when the obstructionist are not enabled. Our current quagmire in Congress will correct itself through the electoral process.

    We definitely disagree here. I seen racism rampant on the left. The Democrat party needs racial division to remain relevant. The African American community is slowly seeing many of it's members wising up and coming to the GOP for change that the Democrats promise but rarely deliver.

    I equate public support to votes. Voters most certainly impact those that implement policy. I agree with you when saying, “Money has corrupted our government”.
     
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  15. JoeKing

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    That thinking does explain your confusion. :confused:
     
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  16. LocimusPrime

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    Consider how you just addressed him.
     
  18. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I'd say shouting during the anthem is much more disrespectful than a silent protest.
     
  19. JoeKing

    JoeKing Diehard Zone Supporter

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    I considered it when I wrote it. It enable us to have a civil discussion which was not happening before I wrote it.
     
  20. LocimusPrime

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    It was before the anthem. Then glorious silence during the anthem.

    It shows it on the video. Look at the bottom caption.

    But I believe if you shout or chant something pro American. It's alwaaaaays good. Let's say during a presidential speech, the president says something awesome and people break out chanting USA USA USA. That's a good thing. Or when you're studying in the library and people start chanting USA gets you ruled up, you wanna slam your books down and start chanting too.

    Woooooh
     
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